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Your opinion - was this sexual abuse?

34 replies

Askingasensitivequestion · 09/06/2014 10:26

I have name changed as this is personal and embarrassing and I may very well regret posting it. Didn't know which section to go for so I hope this is ok.

My Dad did something inappropriate when I was a little girl and I was wondering if the wise women of Mumsnet would count this as sexual abuse or just inappropriate. It's always played on my mind and I can't ask anyone else.

When I was somewhere between 6 and 8 I was downstairs with my Dad, wrapped in a towel after having a bath. My mum was upstairs bathing my younger siblings. I don't remember the context or how he brought the subject up but my Dad was drunk (he had a drink problem and was often tipsy, slurring etc) and he started talking about my inverted nipples, something my parents had noticed about me and my sister. He said that he thought he could fix them by sucking them out and he asked if he could have a go. I remember being embarrassed and feeling pressured but I always wanted my Dad's approval so I reluctantly said 'ok'. I know that I agreed to it because I remember regretting it and feeling like it was my fault. Next thing I remember is him clamping his mouth over one of my nipples and sucking really hard. I was horrified and felt really embarrassed and stupid for agreeing to it and I wanted him to stop but he had hold of me really hard.

Soon after my Mum came downstairs, pushed him off me and they had a fight.

I know it was inappropriate and very stupid of him but I've always thought that his intentions were an experiment to see if he could fix it rather than sexual and therefore it wasn't sexual abuse.

What do you think?

To add some further context about my Dad. I don't have a relationship with him now. He was violent when drunk and generally unpleasant so I ended up having as little to do with him as possible after my Mum left him. He used to lose his temper and hit us in the head with either his closed hand or a fist and he also would kick us on these occasions. I know that he was physically abusive but no one in my family will talk about any of this. My Mum down plays it and some of my siblings still see my Dad so they would be angry with me if I mentioned this. They won't even admit he was an alcoholic despite the fact that he was drunk several times a week.

The only other inappropriate thing I remember him doing is challenging me and my sisters to 'flash open out towels' as quickly as possible so he could see if he was quick enough to take a picture of us naked. This only happened once but I remember the photos being developed. I know that sounds really wrong but I think he was doing it as a game rather than for sexual reasons.

I know this doesn't even matter now as it was 25 years ago but I'm just curious how other people would see it.

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winkywinkola · 09/06/2014 10:32

I would say most definitely abuse. Utterly inappropriate. Hmm

winkywinkola · 09/06/2014 10:33

I would say most definitely abuse. Utterly inappropriate. Hmm

I hope that you can get some support in RL too. Counselling could really help if you feel the need.

Your dad sounds beastly.

FuckyNell · 09/06/2014 10:36

Abusive yes.

OwlCapone · 09/06/2014 10:39

Abuse IMO too.

I know this doesn't even matter now as it was 25 years ago

The time is irrelevant - does it matter to you?

ROUNDandROUNDINCIRCILESMORETHA · 09/06/2014 10:39

I am sorry that no one has responded yet. Your dad has taken advantage of you when you were at an age you should have felt safe with him - I would agree this is abuse.
Have you spoken to a rl friend that you can trust or talk to a GP about counselling. You should not feel embarrassed about this, your dad abused your trust. Please don't feel you should not talk to anyone about this because he is your dad. What if he has done it to others? I am glad you have felt able to share on mums net and more of the regulars will appear soon for some wise advice.

Fudgeface123 · 09/06/2014 11:04

I feel sick just reading that, yes it's sexual abuse and really quite vile.

JaycesMummy · 09/06/2014 11:10

This was so sad to read, yes it was sexual abuse. Fathers aren't suppose to do that to their daughters.

buggerboooo · 09/06/2014 11:19

Yes abuse. Very wrong

CoffeeTea103 · 09/06/2014 11:20

Yes it was op Sad

Askingasensitivequestion · 09/06/2014 11:24

Thanks for your replies. I have told my DH all about my Dad. He is supportive but obviously it makes him very angry. It's lucky my Dad lives abroad or my husband might have hunted him down by now.

Just to make the situation even more unfortunate, when I was in primary school I told a friend at a sleepover. It was obviously playing on my mind. I think I wanted to know what other people thought about it because when I tried talking to my Mum about it she just downplayed it. That was her way of trying not to make a big deal of it so I would hopefully forget about it.

This friend and I grew apart and she joined a group of mean girls at secondary school. I completely forgot I'd told her until someone told me that there was graffiti in a subway about me in the town where we lived. This girl had obviously told her mean girl friends as they had written 'askingasensitivequestion let's her Dad lick her out' all over the subway. A friend helped me scribble over it all but I was mortified. I told people that it was all made up but i know where it came from. That obviously put me off talking about it!

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anonacfr · 09/06/2014 11:27

God what a bitch!!!! You poor thing.

LittleMisslikestobebythesea · 09/06/2014 11:31

Yes it is abuse, you did nothing wrong, and just because you agreed DOES NOT make it your fault.

It is absolutely not to late to do anything if you want to, what would you like to happen?

SpeedwellBlue · 09/06/2014 11:32

I'd say it is abuse. My dad would never have done this in a million years as it is not normal behaviour. Sad Sorry you were abused.

Askingasensitivequestion · 09/06/2014 11:35

I don't want anything to happen now. Just some validation that it was wrong is enMy Dad did some bad things when I was little but my family refuses to acknowledge it because its too horrible to talk about. It's all water under the bridge now though. My Dad is an old man and he's not all there mentally after drinking heavily for years. I feel sorry for him more than anything.

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Askingasensitivequestion · 09/06/2014 11:36

Sorry. *Just some validation that it was wrong is enough.

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CornChips · 09/06/2014 11:41
Thanks

Definitely abuse.

Needadvice5 · 09/06/2014 11:48

I'm so sorry that this has happened to you, what an awful burden to carry around all these years.

It would be useful if you could get together with your sisters to talk about it because it's very very likely that your father has abused them too.

Would you consider taking action against him?

in cases like this there are often other members that he has abused too.

You say he is now elderly, is it possible he could be continuing with this awful behaviour?

Askingasensitivequestion · 09/06/2014 11:57

I don't think my Dad did anything like that to them or if he did, I don't think they would acknowledge it. One of them is staying with him now. She is an adult now and definitely wouldn't put up with any crap from him,

I think he is harmless these days due to his age.

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Askingasensitivequestion · 09/06/2014 11:58

I think that if I brought it up now I would upset everyone and they would think I was being childish and bitter. We do t have that kind of relationship where you can talk about things like that.

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Askingasensitivequestion · 09/06/2014 12:03

I know my other sister was hit by my Dad once as I was old enough to stand up to him but I don't think she would want to make a big deal of it now.

I think he was only a bully while we were too young and small to stand up to him. He would probably be scared of me now. The last time he tried to hit me I didn't run away, I stood in his face and told him to hit me while pointing at my cheek and he couldn't do it. He never did it again.

We all eventually left him which he never thought he would do do that was us standing up to him too.

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Needadvice5 · 09/06/2014 12:07

How awful for you, my heart really does go out to you.

I would be very surprised if he didn't abuse your sister's, and I'm sure that they have wondered whether he's done things to the others.

It's very rare for a father to abuse one child in the familyleave the rest alone.

It's good that you have managed to talk it through with your husband,he sounds supportive.

As long as you're sure that no one else could be at risk from him now then there's probably not much you can do.

You're very brave!

Needadvice5 · 09/06/2014 12:08

Do you have any brothers?

Needadvice5 · 09/06/2014 12:11

I really hope you don't regret posting this, no one is here to judge you! just to provide some support.

Askingasensitivequestion · 09/06/2014 12:12

Yes I do although I don't want to give too much specific information.

My siblings were quite a bit younger than me and my Mum was with them all the time. I used to try to talk to my Dad and have a relationship with him because he wasn't horrible all the time and I wanted his approval. I was exposed to him more. My siblings barely knew him and then my Mum left him so I don't think they experienced as much of this abusive behaviour.

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ParadoxicalUndressing · 09/06/2014 12:59

Oh dear, OP. I feel for you. I had a similar experience and didn't entertain the idea of sexual abuse for years. Of course, it was sexual abuse.

PM me if you like, if there's anything you want to talk about. It's all very familiar.