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New bf criticising Dcs?

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Minion100 · 04/05/2014 00:23

I am not sure if I am being OTT here, but I just ended a new relationship because the guy criticised my DCs.

Said they are spoiled (which they are not). I told him to please not criticise my kids because he hardly knows them and he just kept saying it!

Am I being over sensitive? I just don't want him near my DCs if he doesn't like them.

They have been through a really shit time with marriage breakdown and I have not been the best Mum because I still cry every day and am not as fun or happy as I used to be. I do admittedly get them drinks still even though they are big enough to get for themselves but they are polite, kind, sweet and don't demand things or speak out of turn.

If anything they are a bit lazy and I do too much for them "Mum can you get me a drink" but I am just so angry that he dared criticise my DCs when he has barely met them three times.

I;d not even criticise my best friend's kids after knowing her 23 years, ad he walks in here after a few weeks and think he can badmouth my children?

Is it me or would you have done the same giving him the flick? He's now sending me emails and I'm thinking about just blocking him.

So mad!!!

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Minion100 · 04/05/2014 18:06

The big problem is his job - he has been overworked, underpaid, taken for granted for years and it has now come to a head. Right now it can go one of 2 ways, because he has them over a barrel - they give him enough staff and the computer software he should have had to do the job properly, or he walks. He can afford to do it and they know it. They are already recruiting and the first software module goes in early June, so there is hope. If we can just take the insane stress out of the job, the rest of it will come.

Pointythings that paragraph could have been written about DH too. Word for word actually. He just put up with shit, shit and more shit in every aspect of his life but work was dreadful. Overworked, horrendously underpaid (30% less than he would have got anywhere else for the same job) and working insane hours. He just didn't do anything about it. it was always "next week, next month, after such and such project". Sadly he left it too late - although this was only one of the factors which led to him splitting off.

mamma thank you - I do know I need more time. It sounds very sad but I am craving hugs and affection. DCs don't really want them much anymore! I know these are all the wrong reasons.

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pointythings · 04/05/2014 18:14

Minion we have already agreed we are not going to let it come to that. We have a date for the first software module, and if there isn't an extra person in post by the time we go on holiday (late July) then that's it. DH's manager asked if he could at least promise to stay until things settled and he said no, he couldn't make that promise. If it comes to it, I'll write his letter of resignation myself, we are not letting it happen.

If nothing else, your story has made me all the more determined.

It's hard when your DCs are growing up and need you less - mine are 11 and 13, still very cuddly but also so very independent... I hope you find the strength to centre yourself, allow yourself to grieve properly for what you have lost and then find a man who really deserves you, not this useless specimen you've been wise enough to dump.

Minion100 · 04/05/2014 18:27

If it boils down to it Pointy, have him get himself signed off a few weeks for depression. DH did not want to do that (he felt it was unprofessional or embarrassing) but then it is a lot better than losing your family and with hindsight he wishes he'd held his hands up and said he couldn't cope.

He waited until he was in such a severe depression to acknowledge what was happening to him that by then he was so deep into it that he was suicidal and unable to function at all in life. After he left us, it got even worse and he simply lost himself completely.

There's no shame in illness...many people are affected by that stigma and it's so sad. Particularly hard for men who don't often know how to express their feelings when they are this confusing.

Yes, DCs are so much less interested in me nowadays! I try and organise time with them but they inevitably start getting tablets and XBoxes out and I fade into insignificance :) I might have to bite the bullet and learn how to play XBox as their Dad used to. He was super Dad really. All the kids in the street came over to play with him. He was often setting up obstacle courses in the street or Minecraft servers for everyone to play on. He really is / was a wonderful man before he got so ill.

One thing I am doing is allowing myself to grieve. I'm not trying to avoid it or block it out which is one of the main reasons I am coping with it and also one of the reasons I allow myself to cry every day.

I am growing from it, learning from it and finding a lot of positives. In a really strange way that sort of pain enlightens you to a lot of things if you let it.

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pointythings · 04/05/2014 18:59

Unfortunately DH can't get himself signed off - he's American, working in a civilian role for the US here in the UK, and they are a lot less sympathetic when it comes to signing people off sick. Having said that, he can self-report in and he has enough sick leave saved up to take 3 months straight if he has to, so that does help. He took last Friday off sick because he felt not quite right and he's never done that before. I've impressed it on him that I consider that to have been a wise move on his part, he doesn't quite see it yet.

Part of the current problem is with the British colleague he had getting herself signed off sick and then retiring without a handover, leaving the department entirely up to him. I do and don't blame her - I just wish she had said 2 months ago that she was going to do this and handed over vital information, would have made his life so much easier. But then again she may not have been in a head space to be able to do this. Their entire department is dysfunctional. We're going to play hardball now though, and despite the ups and down, DH is genuinely seeing the sense in not using alcohol to self-medicate so that is progress.

pointythings · 04/05/2014 19:00

And I have completely hijacked your thread, sorry...

StarGazeyPond · 04/05/2014 19:03

OP you can treat your kids the way you want! It's nobody else's business!

It is if they are trying to have a relationship with you!

flippinada · 04/05/2014 19:46

Yes, in a long term relationship. Not when you've recently started dating.

Minion100 · 04/05/2014 20:35

Don't worry about hijacking the thread, if it turns into a nice chat that's great :)

Alcohol to self medicate doesn't help anything and only exacerbates the depression. I really, really hope things work out

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pointythings · 04/05/2014 20:43

It's surprising how many people don't know that alcohol is a depressant, isn't it?
We've had really stark improvement in the past 3-4 weeks since we started having difficult conversations, so I am hopeful - but under no illusion that it's going to be easy.

Minion100 · 04/05/2014 21:11

Pointy I wish I'd been more educated. For months before his breakdown he was complaining of being tired, was noticeably finishing a bottle of wine every night when it used to be a glass and was less enthused / de-motivated in general about everything. I put it down to "stress" as it was such a stressful tie in his life, but it never occurred to me that this was depression. When we talked about it after the fact, he said he was feeling dreadful every day for months, and was feeling hopeless and he had no idea what was wrong with him. His interpretation was that he was no longer happy with his life (AKA Me) and he was putting on a front that he was fine. He said he was too scared to tell me so as not to hurt my feelings.

He ended up having a total breakdown with severe anxiety and depression. He left us, and then things got much worse overnight. Because he did not seek medical treatment at the time (he was convinced he was fine) the doctors are not sure what happened to him, but the consensus is that he either had a period of aggravated depression, or he experienced a "mixed state" biloplar episode which is apparently one of the most unpleasant things a person can experience.

All we know is that over several months he went from the sweetest most loving man you've ever met into a complete and utter insane bastard. Over those months he could not sleep, he stayed awake all night drinking, he spent money we did not have, he went around telling lies and creating enormous problems for us, he called prostitutes. He even told the children we were getting a divorce before he even spoke to me about it and had them crying in school. It was absolutely dreadful and at the time I had no idea what was wrong with him. I thought I was the one who was going mad because he had no remorse or even acknowledgement of what was happening. He did absolutely horrible and hideous things.

The period has left him thankfully (it was genuinely terrifying) and he is in treatment, but he is now in such a deep depression that he is not completely responding to treatment. He reached a point of "blunted affect" which is where he lost all ability to feel emotions at all. He became visibly changed with black eyes and he was unrecognisable.

Right now, he is improving very slowly and feels some sort of understanding of what has gone on but he is so obsessed (understandably) with his own survival from this illness that he cannot really participate in our lives at all. He just says he wants a divorce and wants me to find someone who loves me and will take care of me.

He does not really seem to remember he ever loved me and the kids but then again it really only is 4 months or so since he got the treatment right and began to show improvement. He's kind and polite to me now but totally detached. He occasionally sees me but he finds it too painful so he mainly avoids me. Acts like I am dead or something, like I ever existed.

Sad business. If only either one of us had been educated or had known what was happening our lives could have been spared all this pain. I have heard of people who have experienced breakdowns as severe as this. In his case it was probably severely worsened by leaving his family and creating so much more of a mess that was necessary but he genuinely believed at the time it was the right thing to do.

Blathered on there a bit, hijacking my own thread. He is on my mind a lot today. Wish life was a little diferrent! Sometimes it's so unfair. I am sure nothing like this would ever / could ever happen with your hubby. My DH has a family history of bipolar.

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pointythings · 04/05/2014 21:37

That is such a sad story, minion and you're wrong to think it couldn't happen to us - if I didn't work in Mental Health (although not clinical, but you pick up a lot doing IT support for them) then I would not have spotted the signs either. With DH it started when he lost both his parents in the space of 4 years, then after that his job started going off the rails. Relatively small things can have huge impacts.

If I hadn't had the knowledge I had, I honestly think I would be in a situation very similar to yours, I have been fortunate. There's also no history of mental illness in his family, though there is some anxiety on MIL's side.

Your story makes complete sense of the conflicted way you feel - it sounds as if the split isn't completely a done deal in your mind and perhaps not in his either, and that must be incredibly hard for both of you. It sounds as if you are just not ready for another relationship. Being alone isn't so bad, it gives you the chance to find out just how strong you really are and lets you build foundations for the future - it may be that is what you need to do. And of course to spend time with your DCs, who have had an incredibly tough time of it.

Minion100 · 04/05/2014 21:59

I think if it were just me, I would take him back in a heartbeat. I was fantasising today about running away with him. My own husband! ha ha.

I made it clear to him I was willing to support him in any way all the way through this, even before he was diagnosed I had complete faith in him and never gave up on him. I offered to live apart and even have limited contact, perhaps a night a week together, but he felt like that was pressure on him and gave him some sort of obligation to me and his family.

He's hopeless about everything really. Lives life like a robot. Doesn't go anywhere or do anything and in the evenings he is on the playstation. Thankfully he has stopped drinking and he is committed to his treatment program. He says he needs to only think about himself. Understandable but no less painful. He's oblivious to what he's losing.

Although he has said on a few occasions that when he is better he wants hope for us and sometimes I get a glimpse of emotions from him when I feel so hopeful but then it all goes to shit again and he pulls away and I get another letter from the solicitor or something.

I would have kept my hope, but unfortunately it's not just me involved in all this. The pain to the kids has been enormous (especially as we have a blended family with step children as well as our own together). Our extended family has been through hell and back with his ups and downs and our friends have been through considerable anguish.

It just feels like "too big a mess" to ever have a hope of putting it right again. I feel, if I am honest, like deep inside if he is well again he will want to come home and I am very scared of that day because whilst I love him so, so much I just can't let the children go through anymore and it's clear that after more than a year of battling this illness he is still completely unstable.

I know this thread has gone off track. It's completely clear to me that I am not ready to see anyone else. I'm a fool really for the knee jerk reaction to trying to "move on" by dating other people.

I won't ever stop loving DH, but I can't let him come home. Even if he wnated to - which he doesn't.

Hopefully if / when that day comes I'll have lots of good advice from MNers. Wish I'd know it was here a year ago!

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pointythings · 04/05/2014 22:37

You sound very wise and insightful, minion. Your instincts to protect your DCs are also spot on, I would do the same in that situation no matter what the cost to myself. It's going to take him a lot longer than a year to battle this illness, and even when he has, he is going to have to rebuild himself and his whole life. By that time I suspect your DCs will be grown up and will have moved away, I really do think it is going to take him that much time...

Perhaps during those years you will find yourself able to take on a relationship, perhaps not. During the past 2 years there have been times when I've sat down and coldly contemplated what life might be like without DH in it - emotionally, financially, logistically - and I know I could cope if I really had to. That has given me the strength to draw lines and to broach the subject of mental illness to him. It's hard to tell the man you love that he is mentally ill, that he needs to seek help, that he is abusing alcohol. There is always the possibility that that person will deny there is a problem and will lash out. DH has not and is working so hard to recover, and I respect him for that, but every time I start on the next thing that we need to work on, there is that fear.

I still feel I have been luckier than you, because I have been armed with knowledge. Perhaps one day we will live in a world where everyone has the same awareness of mental illness that they do of things like heart attack, stroke and cancer. It's why I do the work I do, supporting mental health research and raising awareness with my IT skills.

I'm going to pm you my email address so you can contact me more privately.

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