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Properly cross with brother. What to do?

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DeckSwabber · 20/04/2014 13:44

Context:

One older brother with wife and two young boys. Me single mum with teens. Dad died 30+ years ago. Mum remarried and widowed again 4 years ago.

Mum, 82, now living with her twin 2 hours from where my brother & I live. I've written about this before. It's a delicate situation as Twin is very strong minded and my mum is very wobbly. She is anxious about everything (especially money, although she is fairly well off), has falls, and memory problems. Twin has been horrible to me throughout, eg has prevented me from coming to my mum's hospital or GP appointments (she actually changed an appointment so that I couldn't attend, meaning that my mum had to wait extra time for some test results she was worried about), has told me my mum's health 'is none of my business', and has told me that she has disliked me since I was a little girl. I have POA and look after mum's money, tax etc, but Twin recently swept my mum off to her lawyer and told the family it was because I didn't want to be involved any more (!!!). Luckily I found out and am now in direct contact with the lawyer.

I know my mum feels a bit pushed around by her sister but on the whole she is reasonably happy, is well looked after, and is pleased that I am looking after affairs. I think she has finally realised that her sister has a bit of a 'thing' about me.

So. My brother.

He is a bully. Example - when my mum was 80 I suggested my brother might organise her 80th party (I would have done it if he was too busy but I was not well so it made sense to ask him on this occasion). Previously we had split the cost of her 70th party so I expected to do the same, and we could both afford it. He organised an expensive do. Then he made her pay for every penny of it, even though I was expecting to pay half and my mum was feeling wobbly about money. She often phoned me up in tears about it, saying she had asked him to cancel. He refused to cancel, or to pay, and he refused to let me pay for it 'in case it made him look bad'. It was at a private club where he is a member so not so easy for me to just pay. We had several rows about it but to my eternal shame she paid in the end. The party was for people we all knew so I'm sure they all thought he was a top bloke for organising. She was badly shaken by being forced.

I took that as a warning about what he is like, and since then I have been very guarded around him.

Then we had to work together to sell her house. He made a huge fuss about having no time and being far too busy, so I did most of it. His main concern was what to do with the cash when the house was sold. Mum may have expensive care needs in the future and also has a very cautious approach to money, so I have taken a conservative approach.

He, on the other hand, wanted to access most of it to start a new enterprise, which involved tying money up in property and included him being 'compensated' for his time. He wasn't interested in what I thought, brushed aside my questions & objections, shouted at me several times, and refused to even consider that my mum didn't want to do this. She froze. I booked a meeting with a financial advisor to move things on a bit and he ruined the meeting by ignoring the advice, pressing his idea, and continued to press the idea after the advisor had left. My mum was so distressed she couldn't speak or look at anyone. I ended up leaving. Eventually, a relative spoke to him and he gave up his idea.

He behaves as if nothing has happened. Twin has been able to use the incident against me (not sure what has been said but there is some definite frostiness with other family). He knows I am furious with him because I told him how upset my mum was and that this awful episode has also made me ill. So since February we have been virtually no contact and his wife has also told me not to contact her because I told her we needed to acknowledge what had happened before we could move on.

He has just turned up on my doorstep with no warning, with his children and some Easter eggs for me and my teens, all smiles, no hint of apology or 'peace-making'. I didn't have any eggs for them so that was disappointing for his young children. Now he can tell everyone he came to my house with Easter eggs and I was rude and that his children were disappointed that I didn't have anything for them. I don't care about him any more but I do care about my nephews.

What do I do?

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hamptoncourt · 20/04/2014 14:18

Give the DC a fiver each.

DeckSwabber · 20/04/2014 14:24

Well - what I'm saying is that I'm cross with him for using them and putting them into this situation.

If he was desperate to mend things he could have texted to say 'is it ok to come round with eggs for the boys?'.

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mercibucket · 20/04/2014 14:36
Sad

he deliberately put you in an awkward situation and wants to wriggle out of apologising. Sad

not the time or place for a scene but maybe you could write and tell him not to contact you again until he apologises?

can your mum move nearer to you? is her money safe?

Quitelikely · 20/04/2014 14:42

Does he resent you because you are in control of the finances?

Was he trying to get your mum to invest in something she didn't want and are you saying you stepped in on her behalf and told him a firm no?

Quitelikely · 20/04/2014 14:44

And re the Easter eggs, it is still Easter Sunday so you could always quickly pop out and drop some by for his DCs

I think it seems money is at the heart of these things. Is your brother wealthy? Could he afford the party?

Money is the root of all evil

DeckSwabber · 20/04/2014 15:12

I think the problem is that he doesn't actually recognise the impact his actions have on others. I have wondered about Asperger's or NPD.

Watching him bullying my mum to get this money was one of the most awful things I've experienced in my life. He used to do it when we were young so its triggering. There is obviously a lot of resentment there which I don't understand. He's older and has always been the 'clever one' and the one she's proud of so I have always thought of him as the Golden child but there must be more to it.

I put a stop to his plan by forcing a decision. It was my mum's decision, backed by professional advice and family.

My brother has money. He is a LOT better off than me. But his career hasn't gone as well as he hoped so he's quite chippy about people having more than him. And yes he could absolutely afford the party.

He could easily have stepped up to look after the money - he has POA as well as me, but has chosen not to get involved.

I see my mum regularly and I look after her finances so its safe for now.

The family would riot if I tried to move my mum - everyone else thinks its working really well, and Twin was also lonely before this arrangement. Twin oversteps the mark with me because she wants her sister all to herself - I just need to stay firm and ensure that the professionals know to keep me in the loop. On the whole, its working out, but no thanks to my brother.

Money is definitely the root of all evil!

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DeckSwabber · 21/04/2014 08:46

Been thinking about this all night.

I'm trying to do the right thing for my mum, in difficult circumstances which have left me feeling stressed and ill.

He simply doesn't care or about my mums feelings or my feelings. If we are upset, its our problem. After all, mum has plenty of money, why shouldn't she pay for everything and give him a big chunk to play with? If Deck wants to look after the finances, visit regularly and take care of her health, well, he didn't ask me to do it.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 21/04/2014 08:58

I would not have accepted anything from your brother after his awful behaviour; that was his way of sweeping it all under the carpet.

I would read up on NPD re your brother. Would not think he is anywhere on the ASD spectrum at all. This is all about power and control to your brother and he wants absolute all the time. How your brother reads to me is how a narcissist operates; it is all image and artifice. Your mother has also allowed her twin sister to rule her all her life, she did not have to do that.

He likely hates his mother and always has; she put him on a pedestal of her own making at great cost to her own self.

I would continue to remain very guarded and have as little to do with him and his family as possible even though his children are your nephews.

EverythingCounts · 21/04/2014 09:05

Buy the eggs for the kids (they'll be on discount now..) go round,give them to the kids and ask for a word with alone as you go. Tell him eggs from him don't change things and that when he's ready to have a grown up discussion about how to treat elderly parents then get in touch.

DeckSwabber · 21/04/2014 09:17

Atilla I looked up NPD for my mum a while back and suddenly thought - that's my brother! I agree he has difficult feelings around his mum. We both do. A lot to do with her emotional absence.

Regarding my mum, with the help of a counsellor I have made a decision to put expectation aside and to focus on my own behaviour. It has not been easy and there is much resistance from Twin who is appears to be invested in being my mum's saviour and jealous of any other relationships.

Everything I can't do that today but its a good idea. I don't want to upset my nephews and they adore their cousins. I also suspect they will have a difficult time of it as they grow up with such tricky parents. I'll see if I can get him on his own. However I think Attila is basically right that I should stay away for my own sake but some future contact is inevitable given the situation and it might help to establish some ground rules.

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mercibucket · 21/04/2014 09:19

good luck with it all. Thanks

DeckSwabber · 22/04/2014 19:16

Well, I saw my mum at the weekend and she is very confused and stressed. She had a copy of my brother's proposal to hand and was saying she didn't want to do it. I tried to reassure her and suggested we throw the paper away because it was confusing her but she got more upset. So I wrote on it 'xxx's proposal - we are not doing this!'

So I have only just calmed down enough to suggest a meeting by text. His response?

'Lovely!'

I texted back 'it's serious' but no reply.

This isn't going to go well, is it?

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mercibucket · 22/04/2014 19:50
Sad

how does poa work? is your mums money only now accessible via you? if not, it could be worth setting up a system like joint signatures (you and her - or just you)

DeckSwabber · 22/04/2014 20:11

I don't think I can do anything about POA unless he does something really, really bad, then you have to go to court and its an almighty kerfuffle.

Coming up with stupid 'make me a millionaire' schemes and shouting a lot isn't enough - but it's enough to unsettle my mum and stop her from making any proper plans for her old age. She wants consensus and reassurance.

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DeckSwabber · 23/04/2014 21:22

God will this ever stop?

Twin was ok with me at the weekend, though got very cat's bum when I talked about the short holiday I have booked with my mum in a couple of weeks. Its two nights in a nice B&B.

Spoke to my mum tonight. It sounds as if Twin has been having a go trying to turn my mum against me and stop me being involved in her affairs. To late for that - I already look after her money! And I'm very careful and conservative. Suggestions I make are all around making this easier, saving money, and I never insist.If she's worried I get in the car and drive 2 hours to reassure her, then drive 2 hours back. I just don't understand it. My mum seems to think I'm trying to rip her off. Is this just elderly paranoia?

Hurt. Hurt. Hurt.

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doziedoozie · 23/04/2014 21:39

I might try to win over the twin if I was in your shoes.

My mother was very suspicious with me over her money towards the end. Very aggravating. I didn't want or need her money but she acted as if I was trying to snaffle it. So, yes it could be elderly paranoia.

Trying to get one over the domineering twin will just be endless stress for you, as your DM ages she might be more swayed by twin and DB. If it was you and the twin against DB you might have more chance of success.

Perhaps invite her to B&B with you.

DeckSwabber · 23/04/2014 21:43

B&B trip is because mum has expressed a need for a break from her sister.

I feel caught in the middle of a thousand conflicting needs.

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doziedoozie · 23/04/2014 21:47

Well, I take it she hasn't expressed the need for a break to the sister.

You are caught in the middle but I don't think it will work - domineering sister / confused DM / angry and pushy DB - and you're trying to please them all.

Take a step back and stop protecting your DM, it is her own DSis and DS, why should you take the responsibility for curbing their behavior. If your mother has allowed them to dominate her it is not your fault.

DeckSwabber · 23/04/2014 21:52

I think the enemies are:

dementia
age
loneliness
fear
jealousy

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doziedoozie · 23/04/2014 21:54

I agree, and it comes to us all eventually.

Holdthepage · 23/04/2014 22:18

I disagree with leaving her to the clutches of her twin & DS. She is vulnerable & needs protection.

I am in a similar position with my DB, he sees DM's money as fair game whenever he is short of cash, which is often as he is a total dickhead when it comes to money. We no longer speak as I will not allow him access to her cash & it makes him furious with me.

Coincidentally I had a similar situation with DM's birthday party recently. It was a significant age party & quite a large family gathering & he didn't offer to pay a single penny towards it, DM & I shared the cost. Even though he didn't contribute he wanted to dictate what food was served at the buffet, he was ignored & is still annoyed about it.

DeckSwabber · 23/04/2014 22:25

My worry is that my mum pours out her troubles to me and Twin finds this very threatening.

Twin is horrid to me. She's never been part of my life. If I can illustrate with an example, when my stepdad died, Twin appeared from nowhere and then told me not to phone my mum, and not to visit. Also told me my stepfather was 'just an old man' to my children - when actually he was married to my mum when they were born so was a grandfather to them. And a lot more interested in them than she has ever been - I don't think she would recognise them if she saw them in the street!

I've facilitated my mum moving in with her. I've compromised. I've involved her in discussions. I'm baffled.

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mercibucket · 23/04/2014 22:30

why did you facilitate your mum moving in with her twin? was it your mums choice rather than live with/near you?

DeckSwabber · 23/04/2014 22:36

I went with my mum's decision. She had reservations, but told a worried friend that she had decided, and it went from there.

Twin lives next door to her own daughter so it seemed as if support would be available, but I think the support is less forthcoming than I was led to believe would be the case.

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DeckSwabber · 23/04/2014 22:42

Twin does a really good job looking after my mum in terms of food -3 good meals a day - and getting her to exercise, and 24 hour care. I couldn't provide that.

I'm grateful - but it's hard to be rejected like this as if I'm an interfering neighbour, not a daughter and niece.

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