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Wife's confidence destroyed, 5 years of hell, help

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Robinneed · 08/04/2014 20:08

I have a feeling this is going to be a bit lengthy but please read as I really need help:(

Im a guy. My wife and I married approx 4 years ago and have been together for nearly 9 years in total. She's 39 and I'm 31. We're having some problems and have been for a while and I don't know how to sort them out. I need help and opinions! I love her and I fear that if we don't get this sorted we're not going to last much longer. A lot of it is my fault but we're in a bizarre situation that has lead to some incredible stress which has lead to some bad behaviour and poor decision making.

I'm going to explain a bit of history and then I'll tie it all together so don't worry if it sounds a little random at first.

My wife has been ill for the past 20 years with Addison's Disease. She has it under control to a degree with medication but she still has good and bad periods of time. Sometimes she can feel pretty good and other times she struggles to walk, think and generally function. She has lots of food intolerance's so has to eat a squeaky clean diet. I do most of the cooking though as I enjoy it and I cook her some tasty food.

When we first met my wife had a full time job that she enjoyed. I set up my own business just after we got together. For 3 or 4 years things were going great, we had plenty of money and things were expanding nicely. I had a friend who was closing down his business and was selling some machinery that would benefit my business. One thing lead to another and after talking with my friend we decided to buy his entire business. This meant my wife left here job and came to work for 'our' business. The office was based at home. Working together took a bit of getting used to. We had quite a few arguments at first, as anyone would expect. I'm a bit of a control freak too when it comes to work and I want things done my way. Unfortunately it turned out that my wife, partly due to her illness and partly just because of how she is isn't really cut out for being self employed. She can't handle the stress. Anyways..... without getting into major details our 'friend' who sold us the business turned out to have an illness we weren't aware about and was a schizophrenic. To cut a long story short him and his wife turned out to be complete nutters and shafted us out of approx £350,000.00! He since beat up his wife, put her in hospital, he tried to commit suicide a few times and ended up in jail several times!

He also did everything he could to put us out of business as well as harassing myself, my wife and our staff. We received death threats and constant hassle day and night for 2 solid years. They also tried their best to split us up which nearly worked until we figured out that they'd been playing us off against each other.

Basically we closed down the new business and turned all of our attention back to our original business as we had acquired a new £350,000.00 debt which had to be repaid. We were so stressed and on the run up to closing the new business down my wife had cried herself to sleep for 2-3 months. Nothing was worth that and it was destroying here health as stress is one of the worst things for people who have Addison's.

When we were looking at buying this second business my wife was quite happy and up for it but when the sh*t hit the fan she got depressed and decided she never wanted to do it in the first place. I've been blamed for the disaster which I can see her point as she's not a risk taker whereas I am. We'd also remortgaged her mums house for £200,000.00 which was one of the worst things we did and I've learned my lesson there. Never borrow from friends or family.

From the above you can see that our personal and business lives are incredibly deeply interconnected which is not an ideal situation to be in.

Unfortunately, because of my wife's health being up and down a lot of the time she's not up to the job and I reckon she's built up quite a lot of anxiety and negative feelings towards the business due to the far from ideal way in which we started working together. It also doesn't help that I want things done my way. The business has done incredibly well because of the way I do things though so I feel my way is the best.

When she's feeling good and on-form she's great but when she's not she can't do here job and the business suffers. Under normal circumstances this wouldn't be so much of a problem because when I say the business 'suffers' we're still nearly taking a 3 figure salary between us but because of the debts a lot of this money gets wiped out repaying them.

Every year our business gets bigger and better but our relationship is taking it's toll because I've pretty much managed to destroy her confidence and made her feel worthless. I don't do this on purpose. It's just the pressure of having to make as much money as possible from as few a staff as possible in as shorter space of times as possible and if she does something to bugger this up I tend to get annoyed with her. If we could survive on 50K per year it'd be a piece of cake but we need to do 100k every year just to survive and pay enough of the debt back to keep the bailiffs from our doors.

Another side effect of our business problems is that our sex life has died. I've never been great at affection. It doesn't come naturally. In the early days of our relationship our sex life was great and we had amazing sex. My wife was very open minded and would try anything (no threesomes or anything, I'm not interested in sharing her). I ended up working 16 hour days 7 days a week for approx 4 years and it destroyed my sex drive as I was incredibly fatigued and had so much going on in my head 24/7 I couldn't relax and just very rarely felt up for it.

We've built a really good business with our first business. We have great staff, we do a fantastic job and our customers love us. We've worked very hard and we have an excellent reputation in our industry. We now have an abundance of work. More than we can do. In the last couple of years I've started to structure the business so that I'm now down to 5 days a week and work within normal office hours. This has made a huge difference. We structured it so that my wife doesn't have to do more than 2-3 days a week and we've actually increased our income. Unfortunately it's all still getting swallowed up by debt repayment. We live OK but we only had two holidays since we met and one of them was our wedding abroad. Now I work less it's hard to get back into the touchy feely affectionate kind of relationship we had before as it seems very awkward and alien to both of us.

I do have a plan over the next 4 years to be able to get out of our awful financial situation. It's going to take a lot more work. However our marriage isn't going to last that long. My wife is miserable, she has no confidence (mostly due to me) our sex life is nearly non existent. I don't want her feeling like this.

Another issue is that when we met, both of us said we didn't want kids. It could be difficult for her to conceive due to her illness as her hormones are all over the place but it might be possible. Especially if we got some medical help. Just recently I've ended up with a new nephew and after spending time with him my opinion about kids is changing. One of the issues making our marriage even worse at the moment is the fact i'm 31 and my wife is 39. She's 8 years older. For the last two years she's been saying she's running out of time to have kids but she has also said she doesn't want kids. I think she's getting a bit panicky because of her age and I can fully understand this. I'd be quite happy to have kids if she wanted to but due to our business and her illness I don't see how it could happen. There's no way she'd be able to get up through the night to tend to the baby and I fear that if I had to our business would suffer.

Normally I'd just say stuff the business.... Family first! If necessary I'd have been willing to ditch the business and go and get a normal job but if we ditch the business we loose everything we've got and my mother in-law becomes homeless at the age of 61! She has no pension and barely any savings. Therefore I'm absolutely screwed which ever way I do things.

I love my wife. I still find her incredibly sexy and good looking. She used to love making herself look good by keeping slim, make-up, nice sexy clothes....etc. Now she's unhappy and depressed and stressed. She's gained a little wight which means she doesn't wear any of her nice clothes and doesn't bother with her hair or make-up much. I know she's dying to be how she was previously and I'd love her to be too but the situation and my attitude has destroyed her.

At the moment she's moved out 3 days ago and is back at her mums. She's coming back tomorrow but we need to get something sorted once and for all or that's going to be it!

I hope some of you have read all of this but I could understand if you couldn't be bothered! Please help and give me your opinion.

I've even thought of posting my story up on crowd funding sites such as Kickstarter or Crowdfunder in the hope that a miracle might happen and people might take pity on us and pledge the 300k we need to get out of this mess.

If I could I'd be totally happy to declare bankruptcy, loose the house the car, everything, if it saved our marriage and allowed us to have a child and make my wife happy but I can't bare the thought of loosing my mother in-laws house too! My father in-law would be turning in his grave. That's not an option. I'm truly a decent, honest hard working guy who just wanters to do well for myself and my family but it's all gone badly wrong. What a mess.

Any opinions or advice?

Thanks in advance,
Rob

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NorthEasterlyGale · 08/04/2014 20:26

Well, I'm lacking in any immediate wisdom to post I'm afraid so the only things I can think of to ask are..

Is the business of sufficient value to sell and cover the debts?
Could you take on business partners to raise capital?

Neither ideal or options you'd favour I guess, but I'll pop back if inspiration strikes!

Good luck.

lucidlady · 08/04/2014 20:27

Have you told your wife how you feel?

DIYapprentice · 08/04/2014 20:36

I'm sorry, but you have recognised your behaviour as being culpable in your wife's illness. What exactly have you done about it?

This situation has been YEARS in the making, it sure as shit hasn't happened overnight.

You say she was agreeable about the new business at the time and is only now saying it was all your choice. I have to say, I would agree with her that it IS your fault. You say you are a control freak, I suspect you had already decided you liked the business, and you managed to 'sell' it to her in a very persuasive, take control manner.

You've recognised your behaviour as being controlling.... and? Then what? Who has had to do the most 'changing' to deal with it, you or her?

If it has taken her moving out for you to actually get off your behind and do something, then well done her.

Seriously, get some counselling or something to do with it. If you want to run a business with a business partner than you have to be PARTNERS. If you want to run the business with your wife's occasional/part time support, then YOU run the business. Stop pretending that she has some control over it and then not let her have any.

If you can't ever give up the idea of sole control, then you need to restructure you business to take this into account. Some people are like this, they make lousy employees and are far better working for themselves. But you need to stop pretending you can do something else and then destroying your wife's self confidence in the process.

ajandjjmum · 08/04/2014 20:36

Working together is incredibly stressful, and I think can be detrimental to a 'normal' married relationship. Sometimes it seems easier to think of your partner as a colleague. Feel for you - after 25 years without all the debt problems, it can still be a challenge at times!

Robinneed · 08/04/2014 20:38

NorthEasterlyGale - Thanks for taking the time to respond even though you have no 'immediate wisdom' :) It's a complicated situation. Separation and divorce wouldn't even be any more simple! Selling the business is my 4 year plan. It's a very specialised business and needs my knowledge to operate. I therefore need to work on training a manager before it is saleable. Not keen on business partners either after last time. All of this is too long a process. I need to act now. Within weeks really.

Lucidlady - I have told my wife. Not in so much detail or in so many words. She understands the situation and she understands that i'm working hard to get us out of this and she is in agreement that the situation we were put into is the cause of the bulk of our problems. It still doesn't change the fact that she's heading for 40 and is likely going to miss out on the chance to have kids and happiness. I don't want that on my shoulders and am tempted to tell her to leave and find a man who can give her what she needs. It's highly likely we can be out of all of this in 4 years but we can't last that long. Something needs to happen now:(

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Robinneed · 08/04/2014 20:42

DIYapprentice - Thanks for your response but it's a bit harsh. A lot of what you say is correct which is why I'm looking for help. You say why am I only just getting off my behind now....... I've spent the last 5 years trying to recover our lives from financial disaster. I've not really had a lot of time to do anything else.

I'd have sacked the business off as soon as it started affecting our relationship but if I did my mother in-law would loose her house and I can't imagine that being great for our relationship either. Likely worse. I was in a loose loose situation so did the best I could.

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Pobblewhohasnotoes · 08/04/2014 20:50

You keep saying that her confidence has been destroyed because of you, have you done anything to your behaviour to help her build it back up? You appear to admit your faults but what are you doing about it?

TheVictorian · 08/04/2014 20:52

why did you acquire the other business and did you go through the company books ect

HauntedNoddyCar · 08/04/2014 20:53

Would it make more sense for your wife to find another job. Not only would it be a chance for her to regain her confidence, it would let her control aspects of her own life and give her an independent income. You could employ someone you can be the boss of then.

Robinneed · 08/04/2014 21:02

To be honest I have been working towards making it so the business doesn't rely on her so she can find a new job or try and get her old job back which would be a big help. She fancies doing this which would be great for both of us.

With regard to what I'm doing about it...... up until recently I haven't had a lot of time to do anything about it as I've spent years saving the business. I have started to take a look at myself and try to change my mindset. I've started cycling to hopefully get me fitter and get my mind in a better place. I've started eating far better, plenty of fish, veg and salad to once again improve my body and mind.

I think due to working excessive hours and excessive amounts of stress something has changed within my body, chemically I'm talking about. I'm planning on seeing the doctor as I seem to have all of the symptoms of low testosterone, difficulty sleeping, lack of body hair, fatigue, anxiety. a little moody and snappy.....etc. I haven't been to the docs in 15 years or so! I'm not sure if i'm even registered with one.

I'd be keen to see a marriage councillor but my wife has never been too keen but I think now we've got the business more under control it might be an option. Just wanted to talk to someone really as I've never discussed this with anyone and it's hard with friends and family.

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Quodlibet · 08/04/2014 21:09

In all likelihood she has missed the chance to have kids with someone else, even if she left you now.

I find it quite telling that even after reading your very long post I have no idea what your wife wants to do about your work situation/marriage. You haven't built her opinions into the picture you have laid out for us.

Oakmaiden · 08/04/2014 21:17

You need to ask your wife what she really wants to do. And if she wants to stop working with you, then you need to sort that out as soon as possible. After all - if you end up splitting up you wouldn't want to be working together - so sort it out before it gets to that point.

It sounds crass - but I think you need to make a point of spending some time together, not working, to rediscover yourselves as a couple. Then you can talk about the whole children thing - if you are hoping to sell your business in 4 years or so, then I don't see the child issue as a problem. Very small children don't have to be expensive - they don't NEED lots of stuff, although most people like to have it - although the cost of keeping them does go up as they get older.

BluebellTuesday · 08/04/2014 21:18

Wow, that sounds like a lot of pressure. What a mess.

I am not business-minded, but that is a huge amount of debt. I can see that paying it off is a priority and necessity. It sounds like you feel it has been down to you to do this.

From her POV, she has been ill, her family have put up money, she has done her best but it is not good enough for you, and to top it off, she is pushing 40 and kids look like an impossible dream. At 39, she can't simply go off and find someone to be her DC father. Time to get over break up with you, time to meet someone, time to get to know each other properly?? How long is that, and fertility getting worse? Whereas you are 31, you have got 15 years at least. Oh, and you have wrecked her confidence too. On one hand, at least you admit that; on the other, what an awful thing to do to someone you profess to love.

What can you change? If you think about every aspect of your life, what can you change and what do you want to change?

LineRunner · 08/04/2014 21:21

I'd let her go.

Robinneed · 08/04/2014 21:22

It's not the cost of a child. It's the time. She simply wouldn't be capable of looking after it herself due to her illness. She's said this herself. This means I'd need to but I'm running a business to save her mother in-laws house. This is why it's all a bit of a nightmare.

My wife would like to stop working with me and get a job. She would like me to be more affectionate and caring and then she'd by happy to stay together. She still loves me massively and I still love her but she needs more affection/attention. Stopping working together would be a huge improvement.

This has it's own problems though as due to her illness she can't drive so therefore can't get to work! Making her dependant upon me to get her around which goes against everything she's trying to do. It's so complicated it's unreal.

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MorrisZapp · 08/04/2014 21:30

If you're now running a successful business with lots of work on and great employees, I don't understand why your wife has to work in the business? Why doesn't she do something else altogether and let you keep on building the business?

The debt sounds huge but with a growing business you'll get there eventually. Does her health stop her working anywhere else? What did she do before you met?

I think you need to develop your own careers separately, and enjoy being a couple instead of business partners. I'd bloody hate to work with DP. I wouldn't last a day.

BluebellTuesday · 08/04/2014 21:31

Well, does it not depend on where she works and what she does, if she needs you to drive her? And maybe supporting her in this way would be partnership rather than dependence.

What can you change? Essentially you are saying no baby because you can't help with nightfeeds?

Robinneed · 08/04/2014 21:39

MorrisZapp - The debt does sound huge but we turn over more than half a million per year with our business and it grows by around 100k per year. We spent the last 4 or 5 years desperately building it and now we have got it under control.

I think after reading these posts our best bet is to have our own careers. Her illness does stop her just having any old job though.

Bluebell - I possibly could do the night feeds but I just don't want to risk doing something that screws everything up even further. The only decent idea I've had is that we could get our marriage back on track, try for a baby and move in with her mother if we conceive. That would save us around £1300 per month in rent and bills and such, her mum would likely want the company as we get on really well. I work more closely with her mum than my wife and we get on great. We could use the spare money to pay the debts off quicker. Mother in-law could help out with looking after baby. We could eat together saving time cooking. I could help with mother in-laws business and my own. There's a lot of plus sides to that scenario.

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HowBadCanThisGet · 08/04/2014 21:51

So, you put your MILs house at risk, and then decide that in order to make it better, you can move in with her, get her to do your cooking and look after your child. Oh, and while she's at it she can help you with your business.

I really think you are incredibly selfish.

Also, if you move in with your MIL, you are denying your wife somewhere to move to if she wishes to leave you.

BluebellTuesday · 08/04/2014 21:56

I'm thinking that if she has moved back to her mum's house, you need to see what she says. I think you need to have an open and honest conversation about what you both want, and what is possible.

And also whether her mum is willing to be the live-in nanny!

I'm still not really seeing what you would be changing - is it basically your position that you can't change anything until you can sell the business in four years, but the situation could be improved in the meantime by your wife changing jobs and your MIL providing accommodation, childcare and a dinner table, whilst you get on with doing what you clearly feel is your forte which is the business(es)?

Robinneed · 08/04/2014 21:57

I wasn't talking about getting mother in law to cook for me. I was actually planning on cooking for her and helping her with her with her business! You should read what i posted again.

Good point on wife having somewhere to go to though.

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Robinneed · 08/04/2014 22:01

Bluebell - I'm not sure how many of my posts you've read as the first is lengthy and there have been quite a few replies also but basically I'm stuck with the business. That's the whole issue.

If I take my attention away from the business my mother in-law looses her house.

There are multiple scenarios each with different outcomes and most aren't great. I'm just trying to get folks opinions on what might be the best way to ago about things. I'm willing to do anything really but I'm tied by the business and the huge debt from the failed business.

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hookedonchoc · 08/04/2014 22:04

Good for you for recognising and acknowledging your own culpability in the current situation. For making amends, I can only suggest trying to show your wife every day that you love and value her and are aware of and sorry for your own role in her unhappiness.

Regarding children, has your wife actually said she wants one? It sounds from your post as if she is ambivalent at best. Given her health and age you are no doubt aware it may well already be too late to start trying.

Children, bless their cotton socks, can bring devastation to the happiest of relationships; I really wouldn't recommend bringing one into a relationship which is already on the rocks, if you want to save it. Especially if conception is likely to be difficult as fertility treatment and trying to conceive are both stressful and can be detrimental to a healthy sex life.

Sorry to lecture, perhaps you know all this already...

Are you in an isolated location? Just wondering as you say your wife relies on you for transport. Would she be able to get a part-time job on her off days, or even a charity role locally? Either might help mend her damaged self esteem.

Any reason it has to be her doing her pt role in the business, not someone else? As if she was free to work elsewhere she would still be bringing money home. I presume you have thought of this and there is some financial reason it has to be her?

I wish you luck OP. You sound like someone who has trouble letting go. Maybe you need to accept that you cannot single-handedly fix this situation and to an extent will have to let time and your wife play their part and see what happens. Infuriating, I know.

BluebellTuesday · 08/04/2014 22:05

Yes, I get that you are with the business, and I am not a business person, so I am speaking in ignorance. But is it really, really the case that there is no option to change the way you work in the business or how you do things? If you took everything you do apart, into all the component parts, wrote every step down, there is nothing you could change to give you even a little bit more time? That is my point, I get that you cannot give up the business as a whole.

BluebellTuesday · 08/04/2014 22:06

I get that you are stuck with the business, I mean...