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No contact with abusive parent but they have tried to contact my child through ILs

43 replies

buffythebarbieslayer · 05/04/2014 18:50

I cut contact with abusive parents a while ago. Have been healing and been much healthier emotionally.

Out of the blue, one parent has tried to send one of my dc birthday money via my ILs.

I think this is very manipulative as although they don't have my current address, they do have my number and could have tried to contact me directly.

Or maybe it is innocent and I am the mean one. I feel desperately low about it, am heavily pregnant and don't know what to do.

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hamptoncourt · 05/04/2014 19:39

It is called a "hoover" and is meant to suck you back into contact.

Ignore ignore ignore.

buffythebarbieslayer · 05/04/2014 19:48

I know this deep down but I think because I am approaching birth, I am emotionally a bit more vulnerable and my doubts creep back in.

Doesn't help that IL insinuating I should give my dc the money as my parent obviously wants him to have it.

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hamptoncourt · 05/04/2014 19:50

Does DC have a bank/savings acct?

Just put it in that. Do not thank parents though, do not contact them at all.

Any contact at all will be seen by them as a victory and they will push for more.

buffythebarbieslayer · 05/04/2014 19:56

Yes hampton he has a savings account. I'll put it into that for now.

Thanks for replying, it really helps. I've been fine but this has got to me for some reason.

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Meerka · 05/04/2014 19:58

oh how awkward.

It is a deceitful thing to do. It may have been done out of desperation or out of an attempt to hook you back in as hampton says.

Do your ILs know why you have cut contact? If they do, then you need to restate why you don't have contact and ask them to respect your decision and not undermine you. If they don't, then maybe it would help to tell them. Though unfortunately, healthy families rarely understand at all just what an unhealthy family is like. But again, you can say that this is your decision and it was an underhand thing to do, so please can they not accept money or anythign else on your child's behalf from people you believe are harmful to yourself and him/her.

They may or may not listen, but they really should respect your position.

Does your DH understand and support your decision to go NC? it will seem stronger if you and he can stand united on this.

IF at some point you decide you can bear contact again, -you- can choose as, when, and how much contact you can handle. If you decide that at all. Right now when heavily pregnant is not the time though (also being heavily preg!) I know very well how heavily estranged family can weigh on the mind. There is plenty of time after the birth when hormones have settled down. Now, when everything is changing, is not the time to approach a very delicate and loaded issue.

But the in laws do need asking -not- to accept gifts from your parents.

buffythebarbieslayer · 05/04/2014 20:16

Thank you. To be fair MIL did approach me first and yes she does know the reasons and generally understands. I think sometimes she empathises as one granny to another but dh is very united and will have a word.

I need to just box this away until after the birth. This is my last baby and I want to enjoy it.

You're all very kind thank you Smile

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Hissy · 05/04/2014 20:18

By using your ILs they are making one of your 'safe' people less safe.

Those innocent people have been drawn in and are being used to pressure you.

Take the money, stick it into the account and forget about it.

Don't contact your parents, and tell your ILs that you don't want contact.

Perhaps give the sort cose and account number to them so that if more money comes, they can put the money in and you won't even have to know about it.

Do your Ils know why you are NC?

plentyofsoap · 05/04/2014 20:24

Sorry this is happening to you. I have had similar situation to you unfortunately. My mum used an old family friend to try and see ds. Begging letters were sent. They can be clever and use others as a way back in. I remind myself what they have done and I have ignored it all.
They have no legal right to have access. Do not worry about being judged by others they were not there. Tell inlaws to keep the money if they feel so strongly about it or give it to charity. If you accept it they will push for more.
Do they know you are due to give birth soon?

buffythebarbieslayer · 05/04/2014 20:27

Yes Hissy ILs know why. But I think they forget sometimes because I appreciate people from functional families can find it hard to truly understand.

Argh it never seems to go away

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buffythebarbieslayer · 05/04/2014 20:29

Yes they know I'm due to give birth. Long story why.

Also had a random text from a distant cousin recently. It's all a bit suspicious Hmm

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FolkGirl · 06/04/2014 04:39

OP stay strong. In my experience it won't last.

I have been NC with my mother for 2 years this month.

For the first 12 months, she sent birthday cards and Christmas cards to my children with cheques in them and lots of gushing messages about how Grandma will always love them and how special they are. Hmm

The first time it happened, we half expected it but it was still a shock when it happened.

They didn't get cards this Christmas and my son didn't get a card on his birthday. We are not expecting one for DD either.

She knows your current circumstances and is trying to manipulate you by getting to you when she knows/believes your defences are at their weakest.

I agree with others. Explain to your ILs again. I don't think they should accept it and put it in a bank account without your knowledge. You're a grown up, you have made a decision. You don't need to give other people permission to go behind your back under the remit of "what you don't know won't hurt you". The ILs need to tell your parents that they are not getting involved, and to keep repeating it like a broken record.

I agree with Hissy that they are making some of your safe people less safe. My exMIL and I are still very close. My mother would get very short shrift from her if she tried to make contact with the children through them. And my exMIL doesn't even really understand why we are NC because I can't tell people for legal reasons. The fact that I am and she cares about me is good enough for her.

FolkGirl · 06/04/2014 04:58

OP stay strong. In my experience it won't last.

I have been NC with my mother for 2 years this month.

For the first 12 months, she sent birthday cards and Christmas cards to my children with cheques in them and lots of gushing messages about how Grandma will always love them and how special they are. Hmm

The first time it happened, we half expected it but it was still a shock when it happened.

They didn't get cards this Christmas and my son didn't get a card on his birthday. We are not expecting one for DD either.

She knows your current circumstances and is trying to manipulate you by getting to you when she knows/believes your defences are at their weakest.

I agree with others. Explain to your ILs again. I don't think they should accept it and put it in a bank account without your knowledge. You're a grown up, you have made a decision. You don't need to give other people permission to go behind your back under the remit of "what you don't know won't hurt you". The ILs need to tell your parents that they are not getting involved, and to keep repeating it like a broken record.

I agree with Hissy that they are making some of your safe people less safe. My exMIL and I are still very close. My mother would get very short shrift from her if she tried to make contact with the children through them. And my exMIL doesn't even really understand why we are NC because I can't tell people for legal reasons. The fact that I am and she cares about me is good enough for her.

buffythebarbieslayer · 06/04/2014 09:27

Thanks for your sound advice

Should I ignore completely or send a short, formal note saying my ILs passed the card to me directly and do not wish to be involved.

Dh has offered to write

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Hissy · 06/04/2014 09:36

Good god no! No response! Ever!

Any form of reaction will show them they have succeeded at getting to you. They will use this as encouragement to carry on.

Zero reaction, no matter what they do.

cloggal · 06/04/2014 09:36

Ignore completely, or they will know they have succeeded in reaching you. Contact in cases like this can be like oxygen - you need to keep the flow shut down.

FolkGirl · 06/04/2014 09:36

Just ignore. They will see any contact as a reward. I considered contacting my mother but my exH persuaded me against it. It was the right thing to do. She just lost interest when she wasn't getting any reaction.

You know, like they tell you to do with bullies.

Meerka · 06/04/2014 09:37

Speak to the in laws -with- your husband.

Regarding your parent, hm, I would either ask the in laws to return it or - no, I'd stick as asking the in laws to return it.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 06/04/2014 09:41

"Thanks for your sound advice

Should I ignore completely or send a short, formal note saying my ILs passed the card to me directly and do not wish to be involved.

Dh has offered to write"

NO to any letters or any response from you. ANY contact from you will be seen as a reward; what these people have tried to do here is hoover you back in. Its a technique often used by toxic parents. Also contacting them means that all the progress you have made since cutting contact would then be undone.

Hissy · 06/04/2014 09:41

The distant cousin is a winged monkey, your parents are trying to force YOU to go back to them.

As you say, they could contact you directly, but then they don't get to bleat on a pack of lies to all and sundry.

Ignore ALL contact on their behalf.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 06/04/2014 09:45

The toxic hooverer doesn’t truly care about you either — they just want to keep you around to feed on emotionally, and when you decide to go no contact, they don’t plan on letting you get away that easily.

Many hooverers have traits of borderline, narcissistic, antisocial or histrionic personality disorders.

Hoovering is manipulation to gain control over your choice to distance yourself, and typically takes the following forms:

•Ignoring your requests to break off the relationship and attempting to continue on as if nothing has changed.
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•Asking you when you’re going to “get over it” and return to your past actions.
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•Sending you a fake apology to give you hope that things have changed.
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•Trying to trick you into contact by saying someone needs you, is sick, or in trouble.
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•Triangulating with others, communicating things to you through them (hence message from distant cousin).
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•Saying they’re worried about you, concerned about whether you’re okay, need to know where you are, etc.
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•Sending unwanted cards, messages and gifts, sometimes gifts for your children, as they know you are likely to feel guilty about keeping a gift from your kids. Don’t allow this – exposing your children to manipulation is far worse!
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•Returning old items you left behind.
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•Baiting you with drama games.
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•Contacting you about “important” things they “forgot” and suddenly have to tell you.

Don’t Fall for Hoovering Tactics

Attempts to pull you back into a toxic relationship are not valid expressions of caring and concern — they are attempts to regain control over your behavior. Beware — hoovering attempts are often disguised as caring, loneliness, hurt, desperation, fear, illness, and other things designed to play on your sympathies and pull you back. Abusers know that pulling on heartstrings works very well. (In the case of BPD, it may be simply out-of-control emotions and fear of abandonment more than an attempt to control you per se; however you will likely still feel that you are not being allowed to end a relationship you no longer want).

If your wish to end a relationship is not being honored, whatever a toxic person thinks will work best on you will be what they try, so when one angle doesn’t work, they will try another, and another, ramping up their efforts until it seems they might never stop. Typically, hoovering DOES stop if the person being hoovered does not fall for the hooverer’s tricks.

The sooner the person being hoovered completely ignores everything and does not respond to anything at all in any way, the sooner the toxic person finally understands that they do not have the control. Some toxic people may still make the occasional attempt on holidays, anniversaries of events, etc. Don’t bite the bait. Simply ignore any attempts.

If you have already made it clear that you do not want a relationship (or if it’s obvious) then DON’T ever contact the person doing the hoovering to tell them to stop again, or how angry you are. That is a reward. They will be thrilled to receive your attention and pleased to know that their efforts have paid off by snagging you, so they’ll be contacting you even more!

castlesintheair · 06/04/2014 09:52

Stay strong OP. I am in my fourth year of NC and still being hovered in all directions including via my ILs. It is very hard but reminders like those above are helpful.

Hissy · 06/04/2014 09:53

Ha ha! Look at that avalanche of replies, all within seconds of each other!

Need any more convincing buffy?

:)

castlesintheair · 06/04/2014 09:53

"hoovered" Blush

buffythebarbieslayer · 06/04/2014 10:00

Thank you.

I needed these reminders. I did make it clear that I wanted to distance myself when I gave them one last chance last year and was subjected to further abuse.

I've moved so they sent the card to my ILs Angry

I'm so vulnerable right now. Was up all night between painful cramps (38 weeks pregnant) and worrying about this. I swore I wouldn't let them back in this pregnancy.

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FolkGirl · 06/04/2014 10:04

Then don't let them back in. They are pathetic. They don't deserve you. They are nothing to you. They have no right to be a part of your life/lives in any capacity at all.

Did your parents communicate with your inlaws? Was it cash or a cheque? My mother sent cheques to my children in their birthday cards, but we didn't bank them. We completely ignored it, which is the best way to go about it.

Be strong, you can do it. x