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PLEASE HELP - DESPERATE AND AWFUL DIVORCE :-(

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MrsC1969HJ · 19/03/2014 18:03

I apologise in advance for the very long first post, but this is a story and I have no idea how I am going to move on with my life. My husband and I had a baby 11 years into our marriage as he was suddenly desperate to become a father. I already had a daughter from a previous relationship. I didn’t want to have another child if I am honest because I knew that he would struggle to cope and that it would be such a huge change. I was 42 when our son was born, my husband 39. Our son was a very difficult baby who suffered reflux, cried constantly and didn’t in fact sleep at night until he was 2 ½ years old. In the meantime, he was referred for statementing for ASD due to severe behavioural problems. Clearly this put a huge strain on our relationship. 2013 was a very difficult year, my husband receiving a life changing medical diagnosis which affected him quite deeply, I also had two cancer scares and some serious family issues. I also had severe PND which I didn’t seek proper help for, thinking I could cope. All of this put a huge strain on our marriage in many ways. Last October, my husband walked into the kitchen at 8 in the morning and told me he didn’t love me anymore and was leaving, he then walked out for the whole day rendering himself unavailable. When he returned home he said he wouldn’t leave for a few weeks but I got together every last one of his possessions/clothes and asked him to leave, which he did early the next morning. I was absolutely stunned, I didn’t see it coming at all and while I knew we were having a rough patch, there was nothing that was insurmountable. He assured me that there was nobody else involved and I believed him, I couldn’t bear to think otherwise. However, his behaviour was then astonishing. He raised a divorce petition with his solicitor within 3 days on the grounds of my unreasonable behaviour (so I knew he wasn’t coming back apparently), sacked me from his company (completely illegally), cut off all financial support (despite initially promising that nothing would change financially), cancelled the Sky package, mine and my daughter’s mobile phones and took his name off all the utilities, even taking the credit balances. He had already set up post redirection to the house of a friend where he said he would be staying and announced that I would have to start claiming income support and tax credits and that he would pay the mortgage for the next 13 weeks until I could claim Mortgage Interest Relief. I was just stunned. He just kept throwing things at me, not giving me a chance to breathe or recover. I didn’t eat a thing for two weeks, existing on coffee and protein shakes, losing 2 stone in the process, all while trying to care for two devastated children. I then received a text from him that was clearly not meant for me “you are my life”...I thought I was going to have a heart attack, the shock was indescribable. I subsequently discovered the OW was somebody who had been known to us for around 12 years and was unfortunately somebody I really disliked, much older than my husband and to top it all, her husband was killed last March in an RTA. I initially made email contact with her, explaining my sadness, she replied but tried to use her dead husband and grieving child to imply that she was vulnerable and nowhere near ready for a relationship and I took some comfort (and hope) from that, but it soon became clear that this was not the case and she became increasingly nasty and vile as time went on, especially when I caught them out at a log cabin weekend away when my husband said he was on business. She has called me some awful things, complained about being “bored of your pitiful your bleating”, calling me a “sad fuck”, “grow up and move on”, “if you were so great, why did he leave”, “you kid yourself this is all my doing”, absolutely tortuous abuse. Surely she is the one who involved herself with a married man?! This woman runs 3 child based businesses in a small town and can’t afford the damage to her reputation. She even had a solicitor write to me to threaten me. I have suffered an assault by my husband with police and social services becoming involved, the hell of a contact centre as a result of that, it has been a never ending nightmare. I finally filed for my own divorce on the grounds of their adultery which my husband tried to overturn by pretending he was gay (!). He finally told me that he met her again after a gap of 8 years at the beginning of October via work. He said that two days before he left me (on the 19th), “they” decided they wanted to be together and he tried to do the right thing by not having sex with her until after he’d left the house!! I have subsequently found out that he moved straight in with her (after less than 3 weeks, really?!) and only 6 months after the death of her husband. I can’t believe this relationship hasn’t been going on for much longer but he completely denies it. He re-registered his business to her business address 5 days after leaving me, listing her address as his home address. Last week he cancelled the car insurance just as I was leaving to take the children to school. Who is this man I was married to for 14 years and has turned into a complete stranger, selfish beyond belief and without any moral compass whatsoever? They taunt me with taking custody of my son, tell me I am not fit to be his mother, yet my husband shows no interest in my son’s very many medical appointments and only sees him twice a week, leaving me to pick up the emotional mess my little boy is reduced to every time. I just don’t know how to cope. I have developed some serious health problems as a result, which she saw fit to mock quite unbelievably and am trying really hard to keep myself together but it’s getting harder by the day. I have a great support network, even my husband’s family who have completely disowned him but I feel so lonely and frightened. I never imagined I would end up in a situation like this at this time of my life. My husband has given up EVERYTHING except the clothes on his back to be with this woman who is a horror to look at and surely must have some emotional issues to be behaving as she does and “moving on” so quickly after the death of her husband. My husband no longer has any friends, all have turned their back yet apparently it has all been “worth it” as she gives him lots of “cuddles, kisses and greets him nicely when he comes through the door”. I am not even joking. I am starting counselling this week but with the divorce becoming ever more nasty and awful, I can’t see a light at the end of the tunnel. My husband is also desperate to involve my son with this woman, something I think is totally inappropriate at this stage, especially given her antagonism towards me. I just don’t know which way to turn. Again, apologies for such a long post and believe me, this is the short version. How will I ever recover from all of this and how do I cope with such a vindictive pair especially in relation to my children? I feel like my life is no longer my own ?.

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captainmummy · 01/05/2014 08:35

pinkballon - great post. They are united together in their 'war' with you, Mrs. If there is no 'war' (NC) what will they talk about???Grin It will soon fall apart; it will all be your fault; he will be left with nothing, and she will (hopefully) have her professional reputation dragged through the mud.

Hope mediation goes well today. It looks like you have lots on your side; you should be able to draw strength from all the professionals you have behind you. Well done on the statementing - I hope they push for 'supervised' access, otherwise what's the betting he will soon ignore all recommendations about OW? (And LOL at 'having had a CRFB so she knows'!! Half of adults have had to have a CRB check - it confers no knowledge at all. (even I've had one!) They cannot now accuse you of manipulation and attention seeking. Ha!

Good luck today.

MrsC1969HJ · 01/05/2014 08:41

Thanks so much Captain, I will be back later to answer posts and PM's...didn't finish gathering stuff until nearly 1 am. Feeling very sick and nervous, will be back at lunchtime! :-/

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wallypops · 01/05/2014 09:55

I've been through some of what you are going through. And I was terrified. Happily, these things are rarely as awful as one expects. I am holding hands with you and squeezing hard. Generally other professionals can normally see what we can't - i.e. that he is an arse. Try very hard not to engage with him, just with the mediator. No eye contact, nothing that allows him to see your reaction. Above all good luck.

DickCrack · 01/05/2014 13:44

Thinking of you mrsC hope it went as well as can be expected x

MrsC1969HJ · 01/05/2014 14:21

Hi all, well that was a total fail. Total. I am afraid I called him a cunt and burst into tears at one point. Rubbished the HV report, DS "must" be involved with his "current family"...I am not even kidding that he said that. Pathetic disclosure, ie : disclosed the bare minimum, not even bringing business account statements, only accounts, no credit card statements, one current account only, despite the fact I know he has 3. The extent of OW's disclosure was "homeowner with interest only mortgage". Smirked his way through even picking up phone to send text while mediator was talking to him. Said he wants 50% of the equity and will be reducing my maintenance by £120.00 a month. Feels hard done by as he "left me everything" in the house. Then he lost his temper and stormed out, shouting that he wasn't paying the mediator and wasn't coming back (although he has now contacted her apparently to say he will settle bill). He is claiming he is going bankrupt next month. OW has "nothing" and they will have to move as they are "broke". Oh it went on and on. What is so amusing really is the dire state of his company since he left me. Was doing fine before then, now on its' knees. All engineered. What a disgusting excuse for a man. I have emailed solicitor, awaiting advice but suspect we will go to court and no idea how I will fund it. Total bloody nightmare all round. I won't be able to see the full financial statement and accounts until mediator draws it up which will take a fortnight so we will be no further forward for some time yet. Just totally fucked off.

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LBZT · 01/05/2014 14:49

Well I think court will be best if that is his attitude. A friend of mine has ended up going to court so she can get what is due for her. I'm kinda not surprised that it went this way it would be to much to expect that he would meet you half way it's not in his DNA. As for 50% I'm sure as resident parent it should be more like 70% and reducing your maintence will not look good in court not to mention the storming out. Crazy as it seems and I know you have the worry of paying for this I think going to court is the only way that you are going to get what is due to you. Although on another note surely if OW is so paranoid about her reputation you both going to court is going to backfire on her somewhat isn't it.
The contact for DS can you get more agencies on your case to support supervised contact only, is there anything you can do with this?
I know you've had a rough day try to sit back and breathe. Take a break from it all till after the weekend and then came at it afresh.

AcrossthePond55 · 01/05/2014 14:50

Oh dear, what a colossal waste of time and emotional energy! But I can't say I'm surprised at his deceitfulness. What else can you expect from two such morally bankrupt people! All you can do is shake your head, feel superior, and gird your loins for the battle to come. As far as paying the solicitor, do as much of the footwork for him as you can & just let tomorrow take care of itself, love, you have today to take care of. Look around you and see that, for the most part, your life is filled with much more peace and love than the crap he tries to toss in it!

I'm glad things are moving forward with DS. It must be a relief to now have a diagnosis so you can make plans to help him be the happy little boy you love through all this change in his life.

captainmummy · 01/05/2014 15:04

AGree with LZBT - court is the way forward. Worry about funding it later, but I get the feeling that he is blustering because he doesn't have the control he wants over things either. At court he will either have to put up or shut up, and things will not necessarily go his way. The courts are not stupid, or blind - they will notice if a business is 'bankrupt' solely as a way of getting out of paying his way.

As regards the statementing - same really. He either agrees with it or he doesn't, and doesn't see his son. No negotiation - it's not your doings, it's the HV and other professionals. They have seen it all before too.

springydaffs · 01/05/2014 15:53

Dust yourself off, lovely - I would have called him a cunt, too. (how could you not?)

He is on such a sticky wicket, but I'm so sorry you had to go through that nightmare. Worry about paying for court later - I still have a legal bill floating around for 10sK somewhere, which will become payable when I sell the house. It's basically a charge on my property and has been there for over 20 years.

Re court, there's part of me that can't help rubbing my hands together with glee - because he's going to get it. Judges are not known for their tolerance of shit behaviour like this. A mediator has to be neutral but judges are answerable to no-one and they make that very clear in the courtroom.

Make sure you go straight back to bland statements and NC unless absolutely necessary, yes? Don't let the pants mediation open the floodgates.

Well done, you did well to get through that appalling shit Flowers

MrsC1969HJ · 01/05/2014 17:53

Hi all, I don't even know where to start really. Just had it, I really have, just totally drained with it all. I am tempted to tell him that he can have the fucking lot, I will move away, start again. No money is worth all of this stress and aggravation and the poison from those two. She has actually paid his legal fees! Yet they are "broke". Can afford a horse and holidays though. They are disgusting. I cannot believe what he's put me through and is now trying to leave us with nothing. I can't even find the words, I really can't. His behaviour today was beyond belief, it really was. I am surprised I haven't had a rant from him actually. I am also thinking about cancelling weekend contact and reinstating supervised contact only. This simply can't go on. Oh and he has also tried to make sure that I may have a tax bill by taking dividends from the company and using them to pay mortgage etc so they are down as if I have had the money. I need to speak to my accountant friend about that. What is WRONG with them? I mean really? Why would you do all this and then try and totally destroy somebody in the process. I have no idea. I am actually speechless.

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mummytime · 01/05/2014 18:08

Use your anger against him.

Do not let him win.

You don't have to do anything right now, but if you want to then do.

Yes to getting advice from your accountant friend. Find out how much he is costing you, if what he is doing is even legal etc.

Use the best solicitor you can find.

He isn't doing himself any favours.

CookieDoughKid · 01/05/2014 19:23

He's doing it because he thinks he can. He wants you out of the way. Can you quit mediation and just go straight to court?

LBZT · 01/05/2014 19:50

mrsc tonight is not the night to make any decisions. They are despiable they are beyond words. Remember several pages back I suggested that when you are desperate DS can get a tummy bug so he can't have contact that day. Maybe to give you a break and a chance to think straight this could happen this weekend, and then start the ball rolling for the contact center.
Lovely lovely lady and I know this because despite all your troubles you have taken the time to offer words and comfort to others on their threads. Please don't allow them to pull you down, stand strong, you can do it. Tonight is just a little blip for you, a slight bump in the road. You knew they were up to something and using dividends to pay the morgage is part of their shit.
NC and stay strong and please rant here as much as you need.

Pinkballoon · 01/05/2014 20:02

Go out tomorrow and buy a new phone with a new number. Give everyone else the number, but him. And then switch the old one off and put it in a cupboard somewhere. Only check it every few days (say 4-5), and don't respond to ANYTHING from him on there (there will be a pile of texts waiting.) No contact whatsoever. So what if he wants to text you about things. You'll live without replying and so will your children, you responding isn't going to change a thing (or him.) You've got this far without any help from him. Don't be dragged into discussions about the children by text either. Essentially, you know that he is not bothered, so your texts aren't going to change that.

In the meantime, set up drop off and pick ups for contact with someone else (you say that you are on good terms with his relatives). That way, you won't even have to see him on the doorstep. Your final text to him should be something along the lines of: "Current drop off and pick up arrangements for contact are clearly untenable. Please pick up from X hereon on DAYs at Xam and drop off at Ypm. Thank you.

And wipe your mouth of him. Sounds like a solicitor and Judge will have to deal with him.

In terms of the OW's income, I don't think that at this stage she legally HAS to declare it. Have seen those court forms. Instead, I think that you have to put forward a request that the Judge orders that she declares it. You have good grounds for this as she must essentially be funding him, if, as he CLAIMS, he is broke, business down the pan etc. So, if he's not on benefits (and its unlikely that he would be able to be with her income as his partner, though you mentioned the 'lodger' claim……….) he must be living off her/ sharing her income - therefore they have a joint income.

I would caution against going down the CSA route at this stage, as they are a bit green about believing stories about failing businesses that all these self employed daddies work in where they magically only make £20 a week after separating from their wives. And they won't assess his partner's income. It will just be the standard basic rate of £5/10 per week based on his income, if he pleads poverty. Better to get a Judge to order that she declares her income and argue that it is their joint income. N.B. After a year, he is entitled to bring any court order over to the CSA and have them reassess it - so it could go down anyway, if he chooses to do this. So get it into court quick!

MrsC1969HJ · 01/05/2014 21:15

I am in a REALLY bad place tonight. I sat there today looking at this man who I utterly worshipped and who sniggered when I cried with stress and thought how the hell did we come to this, in this short space of time? I am just utterly devastated, hurt beyond belief. It has gone beyond worrying about what I was going to find out on his statements, it doesn't really matter now, he has advertised exactly what he is to the fullest extent. I have decided to cancel Saturday's access and return to the contact centre and I will email my solicitor and ask her to write to him tomorrow and email it. I am so grateful for lovely support and advice on here and I need to reply properly but am just drained tonight. I will hopefully have a clearer head tomorrow and have some time to address properly. This is just shit, it really is, I thought he loved me, I really did :-(

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LBZT · 01/05/2014 21:28

On mrsc I know I should leave this alone tonight but please remember that your H is being very influenced by OW. What you saw today was her ugliness playing out through your H, IMO he is just a weak man that is as confused and hurt as you and chooses to lash out to express himself.
They are his faults and in no way a reflection on you and at one time he did love you not all your times was tainted. My advice, time is such a great healer and in this I speak from very good experience you are in early days, everything is raw and you have to heal and you will. I know that sounds mad when you feel like this but you really will and one day you will even be able to look at these people and feel real pity for how patheic they are. Trust me time is a great healer and it will come, this time of pain that you are feeling will pass. Plus on a good point this was your final thing for this week you did it mrsc you got through your still standing maybe a bit battered but you did it.

AcrossthePond55 · 01/05/2014 21:31

My love, it is what it is. The past is done and gone. You have the future to think of. Right now you have two children who love you to bits and the support of family, friends, and us. You have a clear conscience and your dignity. And that's a lot more than he has. He only has as much power to hurt you as you give him. So take that emotional power back and stand up tall. Take a nice hot bath, put on some comfy pjs, relax with a good book or a movie, & remember that what you have is worth infinitely more than what you've lost.

Tomorrow you will feel stronger. Tomorrow you can make the phone calls and plan your attack. Tonight, just be kind to yourself.

Pinkballoon · 01/05/2014 21:36

"I will always cherish the initial misconceptions I had about you." Isn't that the best line to remember all these twats with?

He's an immature idiot, who can't and won't take responsibility for what he has (a family and responsibilities) and what he has done. Sniggering and texting in Mediation. Needs to grow up fast. He might kid himself that he has some grand plan up his sleeve about how he is going to shaft you financially, but it'll never come off.

Your only option is to cut off contact and put a life together that doesn't include him in anyway. He'll come to his senses at some stage. But you'll have moved on.

Get rid of the phone. Its his only way of getting in contact with you. There's nothing left for him to say to you, or you him. You've seen how low he will stoop. Don't let him contact you.

Pinkballoon · 01/05/2014 21:43

And cross your fingers for a nice, sarcastic judge. I'd love to have recorded our hearing. At times I couldn't breathe for trying to stop myself from laughing at the judge's comments to him. Absolutely put in his place! Smile Smile Yours will be too. They know exactly what they are dealing with!

springydaffs · 01/05/2014 23:15

Darling, please hold off on cancelling weekend contact until you calm down. I didn't actually know you could choose (if so, why wasn't this done before?) but it will look like tit for tat and will up the ante - please don't forget how vicious they are, you don't want to go back to that pure horror again.

Can you choose contact? I thought he had been cleared of allegations (though goodness knows how) and you were ordered to give him direct contact?

I appreciate it looks like I'm contradicting myself re reinstating contact centre contact. I obviously think he shouldn't have direct contact BUT to make this switch now is a clear shot across the bows, war talk. Don't engage in war or lock horns but try to be strategic and measured. Otherwise it looks ike you're doing it to spite him.

I'm sorry it's so painful for you at the moment. This too shall pass (it always does..). Try to hold on until it passes and you can see clearly again xx

MrsC1969HJ · 01/05/2014 23:40

Springy, he has said that he will not abide by the agreement between solicitors and the advice from the HV team. My response is to take matters into my own hands...does that seem warlike? There is no court order in relation to my son and contact, so actually it is down to me I believe. I was told he could have direct contact again after SS were assured that he was no danger to his son. I have found/been given two very pertinent pieces of information tonight that prove beyond doubt that he is manipulating disclosure and the finances. There is no point in returning to mediation, it is a farce now. Court is the only way. I wish I had somebody who could facilitate access but I don't...pinkballoon mentioned family but they are 200 miles away so this can't happen. He has alienated neighbours, my nearest gave a statement when he committed the offence in January and the other, he tried to ruin her relationship by texting her husband that she was having an affair!!! Just pure spite. This is why he has no friends!

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captainmummy · 02/05/2014 08:21

Did he say that he would not abide by the HV advice in fron tof the mediator/witnesses? If so then you are quite right to withhold contact, as you've been advised that it will damage your son if he does see him (and he takes him to see OW).

Court is the only (and best) way - and Judges have seen these bullies before.

As PinkBalloon says - what you have now is worth more than you've lost.

Onwards...

Thanks
LBZT · 02/05/2014 08:29

mrsc just a quick check to see how you are this morning? Hope you have a nice time with your friend today. For you Thanks keep your chin up!

springydaffs · 02/05/2014 09:18

Exactly - did he say that in front of the mediator? In which case, go for it, regardless how it looks. Your son's welfare is at the fore of everything, even the heinous way he and they have treated you.

But do be careful you don't re-engage in battle. Do it for your son, not yourself, or to score points/get him back for how he's treated you. xx

MrsC1969HJ · 02/05/2014 09:26

Hi ladies, yes he said that it had been "six months" and DS should be "fully involved" with his "current family". He said he would read the report when he received it blah blah. On the other hand, he kept going on about future housing needs as this relationship had "only been going for 6 months"...it beggars belief. So, on one hand, it's OK to introduce my son after 6 months but on the other he can't guarantee it's a "permanent" relationship!!! I have to say, I really do feel absolutely battered by this. I had a bit of sleep, am OK, still waiting to hear from solicitor and will make a decision this morning. Thanks so much for all your ongoing advice and support, I don't know what I'd do without you! xxx

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