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Husband left six weeks ago-struggling need advice

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Samsaraschoice · 01/03/2014 10:14

I've never posted anything on here before so please forgive me if I do it wrong. I don't know all the abbreviations etc.
I am also 50 years old so don't even know if I'm allowed to post on here.
The problem is my beloved soulmate, love of my life husband left me six weeks ago. This is following a six year marriage (no mutual children, I have three but they have all left home this year, he has two but didn't see them much).
We are very different. He is a tradesman with no education and a very bad childhood involving desertion by his mum, sexual abuse and violence. I am a post grad educated professional but had a pretty bad childhood too with an abusive mother and alcoholic partner. We met three years after my last divorce and fell deeply into fairy tale love. He put me high in a pedestal as his princess and he was my hero/knight. Until he left we were still very much in love and having regular beautiful sex and were very affectionate. But the big downside was that he had become nastier and nastier and seemed to go into rages at the drop of a hat. We lived in my nice house and had a lovely lifestyle mainly paid for by me and he became more and more resentful and lost his self esteem which I fully acknowledge was my fault for not validating him enough and for trying to improve him re speech manners clothes etc. (which he originally said he wanted, but actually deeply resented). After a year or so, he started to show occasional violence towards me and the children. He would do things like push me from one end of the house to the other, shout right in my face, hold a clenched fist in front of me and he attacked my two sons several times, once picking up my 13 year old by his t shirt and legs and throwing him out of bed into the floor because he had been cheeky to me. He also put him in a hedge when he was 17 and grabbed my 20 year old son by the neck gouging bloody nail marks out of his skin.
In the last few months despite ongoing affection, he has had a hair trigger temper and the tiniest thing I said would set him off.
After telling me repeatedly to fk off in the pub after I had been sitting on his knee watching a band and I disagreed with him about whether they were like another band. He demanded that I get the f*g car and drive him home imediately. I was so shocked that I was crying as I tried to drive and he told me I was driving too slow and he got out of the car and stomped off ahead of me in a rage. Eventually I persuaded him to get back in the car and once we got home he started to pack his stuff. He told me that I had five minutes to admit I was wrong or he was going. I said through my sobs, that I couldn't say I was wrong just because he was telling me to, so he went.
In the next two weeks he was nice by text and said his aim was to get sorted and he begged to come back, but I said he needed anger management first and counselling. He quickly changed regarding coming back and turned very cold and hard and has now said it is definitely over although he can't rule out regretting it in six months or a year and may then come looking for me.
Yesterday he came to mend my roof as I had lost tiles and it was leaking. I was hopeful that this kindness meant he was starting to think about trying to resolve it, but to my absolute horror when I got home, he had left me a bill for his time for £80 and he also took the money from a jar I had told him about (because I thought he would need it for materials).
I felt like I'd been punched in the gut. I had just about got over the horrific endless crying, insomnia, panic attack stages of aching loss and fear and have lost a stone in weight, but last night I couldn't sleep at all and feel really dreadful again this morning.
I am now beginning to think that this man is totally toxic and damaged too much and I should run, but there is another side to me that thinks I'm fifty years old and I have no one left at home and he is good looking and fit and when he is nice, there is no one more loving.
Part of me desperately wants to wait and give him time and see if I can help him, but the other side says to give up, that he is a selfish abuser and any man that sends his wife a bill for helping her is an absolute bastard with no hope. He cannot see that he is wrong in anyway for this and is angry that I have not thanked him for the work.
Any advice would be very much appreciated.

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HoneyandRum · 01/03/2014 15:30

Samsara I have never been in your position and I am am sorry for everything that you have experienced while relating to this man. I think you need to appreciate that we have really no control over who we find sexually attractive but just because he was sex on legs for you should not blind you to the fact that he is incapable of having a reciprocal relationship with you. His blaming you for all his faults, problems and mistakes will never change. It sounds from your own toxic relationship with your mother that being blamed is normal to you and you have been trained to accept that blame.

Sexual chemistry can blind you to the fact you are sleeping with a monster that you already know is capable of physically and mentally abusing everyone he lives with.

Allann01 · 01/03/2014 15:33

Well said Fabulouse. This site is for support, advice and encouragement. Not for being judged or to read comments like that.

It takes a lot of guts to write on here, especially when your feeling so low and vulnerable.

JuliaScurr · 01/03/2014 15:50

you are besotted with this inconsistent, unreliable, abusive man because that's what you were brought up with. I know this because my history is very similar. Try Al Anon etc www.adultchildrenofalcoholics.co.uk/
best wishes Thanks

TheCatThatSmiled · 01/03/2014 15:51

Can I make a suggestion that you might not be ready for? Can you go see a solicitor? You are married, he can walk back in to the house any time he likes - at the moment he's playing you with his 'I might/might not come back in. 6 months'
He's also indicating that he's thinking of financials by charging you for doing work on the house.
Find out where you stand and protect yourself.

Lweji · 01/03/2014 16:00

I second getting legal advice, and initiating divorce proceedings.

Lweji · 01/03/2014 16:03

And make sure you can protect yourself physically. He actually sounds dangerous and did attack your sons. He could well do the same to you if he thinks you are letting go of him forever.
Change locks, even if legally you are not supposed to. Let him take you to court if he wants to.
And distance yourself from him.

Lweji · 01/03/2014 16:04

At the moment he is punishing you, but he may not like if you free yourself from him.

enriquetheringbearinglizard · 01/03/2014 16:08

People could read what the OP actually says
I didnt actually know about the bed throwing incident. My son only told me last night. I did know about the Hedge and the other incident, but at the time I just intervened and told him how it was utterly unacceptable. But my sons were large 6' men by then

I think the OP could do with some clear thinking and support., not abuse.

The idea of consulting a solicitor is very valid if you feel up to it OP.
I know you think you love this man, but what would you be advising a friend who described the same situation to you?

GuybrushThreepwoodMP · 01/03/2014 17:52

samsara you can't help him and you can't save him. You have to look out for you and your kids now. You have to let him go- for your sake and for his sake as well.

Samsaraschoice · 01/03/2014 17:55

To be fair, he didn't steal the money, I told him I would be happy to pay and just assumed he would take materials only. I was just very hurt that he treated me like any old client not his wife.
Gosh this is so hard and I thank you all for your words of wisdom and support. I guess I have been an idiot and the consensus on here seems to be to give him no chances and get away fast. I genuinely can't see him as dangerous, as I feel he knows how far he is going, but even I can see what a pathetic excuse that is.
Fabulous thank you for your wise and kind words, Juliascur you are absolutely right and I am addressing that with the new counsellor who is excellent.
I still have a great deal of compassion for his pain though. I am a medical professional and my whole life has been about helping people and making them better so I find it really hard to leave him to it and I so want him to get the right treatment. I believe there is a very frightened sad child under his anger and he would so benefit from good help. He is apparently seeing the old not so good counsellor next week, (she contacted me). I just pray she points him in the direction of proper treatment.
As for solicitors, I suppose you're right, but the house has always been mine and he never put any money into it except for food and social life, so I don't think he'd get anything. I doubt he'd try. He didn't screw his previous wife financially and was honorable about payments to his children.
I just wish I could stop loving him. How do you do that?

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Purpleknickers · 01/03/2014 17:55

Hi Samsara welcome to MN having read your opening post with growing horror at the way you and your sons were treated I think you are well rid of him and have had a lucky escape to be honest.
I know you feel as though your future or the one you thought you had has been stolen, you will eventually realise that you will have a better future without this man.
I was 46 when my ex left whilst I was at work and i am now the same age as you. Life does get better and I'm happier now than I ever was when I was with him. Of course I sometimes get lonely but I fill my free time with friends and I also have a new partner but I'm not in any rush to live together. I think having my own free time suits me too much

You will go through ups and downs over the next few months but sooner or later you will look back and thank heavens that this abusive man is no longer in your life. Everyone deserves happiness I truly hope you find yours

Logg1e · 01/03/2014 18:06

I wish you'd stop posting about the intense, romantic, beautiful sex you had with this man who bullied you and assaulted your sons.

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tribpot · 01/03/2014 18:17

I don't know what kind of medical professional you are, but you must recognise that the only people who can be helped are the people who want help. And when they do, it can only be from the right kind of professional (note: professional). You have a rescuer complex about this guy. He is not some wounded creature for you to nurse back to health and who well then in turn bestow upon you the wonder of his love. He's a guy who assaulted a 13 year old child. Who really knows what happened to him in his own childhood, but nothing excuses what he has done as an adult.

FabULouse · 01/03/2014 18:19

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Logg1e · 01/03/2014 18:27

No, I don't think I can condone everyone's description of their sex life.

AbleAble · 01/03/2014 19:19

If any partner laid into my son (or his own son for that matter) he would be gone.

This, in your op: grabbed my 20 year old son by the neck gouging bloody nail marks out of his skin is horrific. What on earth are you thinking? Your poor son.

I agree with loggle re the beautiful sex thing. [puking emoticon]

This man has shouted in your face, told you repeatedly to fuck off in front of people in a pub, taken money from you, has a hair trigger temper and has violently attacked your grown son leaving bloodied gouge marks.

And you are pining for him?

I hope you are not a medical professional of any significance. And i mean that nicely. You sound in dire need of professiional medical help yourself.

Get a grip for goodness sake.

Divorce this person as soon as possible. Cut all contact with him except via a solicitor. And report his attack on your son to your local police.

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SauceForTheGander · 01/03/2014 19:25

This romantic beginning / sex life etc is not the real him.

He isn't that person - that was the act. He's a manipulative violent nasty man.

It maybe because of his upbringing - but that's irrelevant. He's assaulted your DCs and deserves a day in court for that.

Welcome to MN.

Don't grieve this man.

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Samsaraschoice · 01/03/2014 19:52

Ouch some nasty messages there. But it's all interesting. Even the telling a off are good because they make me think. Thankyou again to Fabulouse. You seem like a really nice person.
I was taught long ago that all people have many sides to them and one bad facet does not necessarily meant that the person as a whole is bad.
He was abandoned by his mother aged 12, his father beat him regularly with a belt and fists and his step mother sexually abused him and threatened to tell his father that he'd stolen stuff if he did not comply. She did this and he was kicked out and lived in his own from the age of fifteen. It's pretty harsh, so maybe some compassion is in order?
After all your advice, I sent the information re what he did to the nosy and me, to his counsellor who is seeing him next week. She says she will take it very seriously but I can't discuss it with her any more.
My children are now 18 and 21 and do not want to press charges. My 21 year old likes him.
I am now feeling stronger and better, so thank you all. Bless you for your help when I needed you.

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Samsaraschoice · 01/03/2014 19:53

Sorry boys not nosy

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tribpot · 01/03/2014 20:00

maybe some compassion is in order?

No. It isn't. I think there's something wrong with the fact we feel more aggrieved about what happened to your children than you do, frankly. Describing what he's done to them and to you as "one bad facet" is evidence enough that you need to spend some time with Women's Aid, having your eyes opened about what you've become conditioned to.

That counsellor sounds monumentally unprofessional, and I worry that she will tell him the info has come from you, and you'll be suckered back into another round of his angst and bullshit and end up feeling guilty that you have 'betrayed' him.

The scales will never fall from your eyes whilst you continue to have contact with him. Get him out of your life so you can start living it.

Logg1e · 01/03/2014 20:11

I was taught long ago that all people have many sides to them and one bad facet does not necessarily meant that the person as a whole is bad.

Agreed. Doesn't mean you have to have them in your life, abusing you and assaulting your children. I wonder what your son thinks. The one who won't have anything to do with your ex - I wonder what he thinks of you choosing him.

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