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"But We Took You To Stately Homes!" - Survivors of Dysfunctional Families

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DontstepontheMomeRaths · 11/02/2014 17:30

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It's February 2014, and the Stately Home is still open to visitors.

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anonforabit · 25/02/2014 16:46

Thanks guys. Things seem to be picking up here DH has GP appt booked and also consultation with phsychoanalyst. Cigs - in my experience with toxic folk, never use the phrase I feel, it will get turned around into that's your problem, you're imagining it etc instead make it solely about them and their behaviour i.e you behave as though you are pissed off and you pick at dd because you know it upsets me, hope that makes sense. Agree it probably won't change her but will hopefully make you feel a bit better. Good luck!

Cigarettesandsmirnoff · 25/02/2014 16:50

anon thanks that does make sense .

MyriadOfMiracles · 25/02/2014 17:53

Go for it cigarettes! You are at least facing things head on. It doesn't need to be a big shouting match, you are merely ' checking in ' with her and addressing issues :)
If she atarts shouting / getting nasty then its a perfect reason for NC! Its a win/win :)

Cigarettesandsmirnoff · 25/02/2014 18:48

I've said it a million times in my head and it just sounds daft now.

I wonder if it's because the way my mother treated me, I find it so hard to pull MIL.

GoodtoBetter · 26/02/2014 11:40

Saw DM this morning..was alright. Will try to update later.

MyriadOfMiracles · 26/02/2014 15:11

Any developents ciggarettes...?
Glad it was ok for you good :)
I went into town today and the whole time i felt agitated about seeing mil or sil... I genuinely worry sil would smack me one (as she threatened) and I cannot be doing with the awkwardness at the very least! I mean what do i say? If on my own i would ignore them most likely, but I mean its a small town! What do you lot think would be best reaction? If with dd it makes things more complicated as I feel awful just ignoring them and gliding past them as dd is their granddaughter/ niece ... It just seems so wrong. I think if i knew in my head what I would do I wouldn't feel so anxcious about the inevitable time i do bump into them...

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 26/02/2014 15:42

Hello everyone,
Delurking for a bit. I have caught up with this new thread (finally). For some reason I feel bad to post if I have not read the whole (current) thread.

C&S, on the confrontation, you may feel the need to do it for yourself to have a public marker for others to recognize? And that is a good thing for you. Other than that, imho, a confrontation will not be constructive. She will most likely deny deny deny. My go to line for denials is: Denying it does not change the fact of it (her behavior), or the effect of it. Or explode at you and that is just another dose of abuse.

There have been threads recently about people dropping friends seemingly out of the blue. Imho, it might be a better long term strategy to disconnect, even if done slowly. Emotional disconnection for sure...polite civility with no obligation to listen to anything she says (she can talk to the hand).

Using your child against you should be met with the immediate response of physically removing you and your child from her presence. Nothing need be said, just Time To Go. Don't explain, don't complain (because nothing will come from doing so).

Myriad, I know it is hard, but have you thought about giving your dh a little holiday from your venting about his mother? I had to vent extensively in my circumstances, nearly constantly for a long while, and I think dh and the rest of my family was just tired of hearing about it. That boundary turned into a beautiful thing because it let me understand it was possible to have a bit of control here if that makes sense. And it led to other boundaries. And NC. Perhaps you are at the point where enough talking about it has been done; so now activate the necessary boundaries, for yourself at least. That in no way applies to MN of course Grin or journaling counselling etc. It has become a sort of mantra for me: stop talking about it and do it. Easier said than done, I know.

Hi Hissy and Atilla, I enjoy and agree with your posts as usual. Thanks

MyriadOfMiracles · 26/02/2014 15:52

Thanks andthebandplayedon - i have apologised to dh last night and will say no more of it now. I dont want to hurt him. As for action... That is my dillema! What do Ido of i see them? Its so confusing havin nc/ initiating boundaries. I feel an idiot but I am new to all this. My own family are hard work at times like any, but I have never gone nc with them. Plus I have my dd involved. I just find it all quite scary if I'm totally honest. Now the anger has subsided ...

Cigarettesandsmirnoff · 26/02/2014 16:23

Hi all!

myriad I've not seen her - I thnk she knows she pissed me off on Saturday and is keeping a distance although she has sent food (I don't know why) and told dp she has lots of toys for dd. I know it's to make herself look good to dp.

Hello andtheband I know that confronting her will not change one iota. I will get the blame for picking on her, tears, outrage ect.. I think it's more to do with me letting her no I'm not to be bullied but it will probably go right over her head.

I don't want her toxic behaviour all over my baby. Why should she have the privilege of being in my babys life when I know she has deep rooted issues with me. I e seen how uncomfortable she makes her other dgc when SIL has gone NC with her.

I really want to go NC as she has bullied my poor SIL for 18 years!

Why as an adult are we expected to take such terrible behaviour for the sake of some one else's happiness eg. Dp, mil family members. EVERYONE knows what's she is like, it's a family joke!!

I'm not laughing though.

Meerka · 26/02/2014 16:47

yes, why? :/

sometimes all sense, experience and sanity says avoid these people. But just because they're relatives there's the expectation you put up with appalling behaviour.

I shouldn't, but I still feel guilty when it comes back to me that I'm NC with one close relative and very low contact indeed with another.

Funny really. Cause he's the one who wanted near to no contact, but if he should happen to send an email about once every, oh you know, 6 months, Im expected to reply within 48 hours. No matter that when I nearly lost my unborn son to a septic uterine infection, he never bothered to reply to my email. But when he emails, im expected to jump and he bloody well rings if I don't answer.

Mind you last time he rang and said 'did you get my emails' I said "yes, did you get mine about being in severe danger due to sepsis? I didn't get an answer".

Fecking control freak.

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 26/02/2014 18:39

Yes to not feeling guilty for our reactions to their horrid behavior.
And
No feeling guilty for not feeling guilty either. Wink

Cigarettesandsmirnoff · 26/02/2014 18:42

meerka sounds terrible! hope your both ok now.

Well mil 'bobbed' in. I didn't confront her, dp not here and probably chicken out. She said she had come to see dd. But actually she really came to let me know she was pissed off about last night.

This will out me if anyone here is on my facebook.
Dp has been getting a lift back from work of mil this week because our car is broke. (10 min drive )

He came home with a bottle of wine and a box of orange matchsticks for me Grin
I put it on my facebook status.
Mil must have seen it.
This was the convo.

Mil : so I seen your fb and seen what dp had got you. I should have asked if there was two bottles in that bag!

Me : what ? There was two bottles in the bag... (Pretending to misunderstand)

Mil: no, I should of asked dp if the was wine for me cos been giving him lifts ALL week (mon, tues)

Me: what? You had a bottle of wine in the bag? Did a Confused face

Mil: oh it dosnt matter pfft .....

Grin childish I know

She also thought the valentines roses he bought me where hers too. It's so. Healthy the way she thinks I'm like his 'other woman '

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 26/02/2014 18:42

I am not in a small village circumstance with my family dysfunctions, but could it be that on some level someone is getting some entertainment from it? Let them get their entertainment at someone else's expense. Use someone else...another mantra.

Cigarettesandsmirnoff · 26/02/2014 18:45

*unhealthy!

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 26/02/2014 18:45

I am feeling nails on the chalkboard for you C&S.
Well done on the dialog!

MyriadOfMiracles · 26/02/2014 18:50

Sorry andthebandplayedon i dont understad what you mean by that?

Cigarettesandsmirnoff · 26/02/2014 18:52

andthebsnd it was a small win. I'm sure the rug will be pulled out soon.

Meerka · 26/02/2014 19:03

we are both much better yes thank you C&S. It just still wakes me in a cold sweat now and then. And his attitude is like a toothpick dug hard under my nails, I'd love it if he was what you would like family to be.

A situation we're all in I suppose

good lord, she's scary. Weird. Does your DH realise how suffocatingly weird she is?

Cigarettesandsmirnoff · 26/02/2014 19:23

meerka I bet you bloody do! I don't think you realise how precious life is till your on the brink.

I had an eptopic after ten years of being told I was unable to conceive. Finally after IVF I got pregnant with my miracle dd. Every twinge I was beside myself. At the 12 week scan, dp asked mil if she wanted to come. He response was " no, because if any things wrong she won't be able to bear it'

I would have loved to have a healthy relationship with mil at first she was lovely but now she acts as if I've stole her man.

Why do you still pick up the emails?

Meerka · 26/02/2014 20:31

I suppose because of wistfulness really. Regret for what could have been, had my adoptive mother lived; a loving father. The reality is that he might have been less loving than I would have realised given how easily he's shoved everyone out of his life from before he met his second wife. But - I wouldn't have known it, had she lived. Would have been happy in the illusion probably (though I do wonder if his controlling tendancies would have caused trouble). Sometimes in truth, I would compromise a more realistic view of him for the sake of half-truth, half-illusion.

Impossible to know, but I suspect my adoptive mother never realised quite how shallow his attachments are (far as I can work out now, after she died he just told the undertaker to dispose of her ashes; many years later I found where they are scattered, don't think he knows or cares). He didn't bother going to his only sibling's husband's funeral or ash-scattering either . Or any of the funerals of his long-term friends from before his second marriage.

Because of the expectations that you still keep contact with family, I guess, though they shouldnt weigh on me I know.

Because I still somehow want him to care about me and my husband and son(s). I know this is as faint a hope as smoke in a hurricane but the regret kicks in again. Not only that, but the care and the respect of a man as indifferent as him means nothing to me on another level. Yet somehow I can't quite cut off that hope.

Because it's really important to me to go to his funeral when he dies. I may not even be told, but if the door's totally shut then I certainly won't. Did not go to my adoptive mother's funeral, it was a different time then and the importance of going to funerals for children as well as adults wasn't as acknowledged. I regret that very deeply now and it complicated my grief for her. It's important to say goodbye, and I want to say goodbye to him. Partly for the sake of what I've written below, partly to simply close the door on a man who was intensely influential in my life, quite good at first, for the worse later on.

Because for the first ten years of my life he was quite a loving Daddy, never as involved as my mother but still he put a lot of time in telling me stories etc. I owe him for that, owe myself a goodbye to him for the good times before the bad came.

Funny, writing it down seems to highlight how important the saying goodbye after death to him is, and it seems more difficult than I can manage to write a letter saying 'you are dead to me from now on'.

Because he's the only one alive who remembers me from my childhood. Not that it's ever mentioned, but it's a bit lonely when you are the only one who remembers being tiny; a close mother or father, or even half-close does actually remember your childhood.

Thank you. I don't talk much at all about it / him to my husband or son, somehow I can't, even though my son has started asking about my childhood. Odd how much easier it is to write it down here. Thanks for listening.

MyriadOfMiracles · 26/02/2014 20:39

Aww Meerka! That made me emotional :/ lovely and heart tugging ... Hope you do get the closure needed. Glad you get respite here- i do too. Writing is so much easier to convey my true feelings too x

Meerka · 26/02/2014 20:48

eh, thank you .. and sorry! jsut got such intense regret atm for what could have been with him, with my adoptive mother, and with troubled biological family. Probably hormones, 9 weeks to go til due date! Mostly I can live with things quite well, just now and then there's a dip. As the old joke says ... Biological parents, foster parents, adoptive parents, step parents, life was easier when I thought they found me in a cabbage patch.

what a lovely nest of warm-hearted vipers.

Do have a wonderful MIL. Not something you hear often here is it?

C^S i'm so glad you got yoru miracle daughter.

Cigarettesandsmirnoff · 26/02/2014 20:52

meerka I'm glad you wrote that. You sound like an awesome person. What would happen if you spoke to him about your childhood?

Have you read toxic parents. There is a part that talks about death, it's not always a release x

MyriadOfMiracles · 26/02/2014 21:01

Hormones have a lot to answer for! C&S you made me smile too reading about your dd. Sweet. I feel all emotional this pm now haha! I'm off, dont wanna get too fluffy woo woo hahaha xxx

Meerka · 26/02/2014 21:07

I have tried in the past. He deflects it. anythign in the past, he's just not interested in. I still have a lot of baggage and anger to do with my teen years, though I'm strong enough to actually carry that baggage now until I can let it go.

It's alright usually, as wafer thin shallow relationships go. But yes, I did object to getting asked if I'd got his mails (ie, why didnt i reply) when he didnt bother to even send "sorry to hear you've been ill" over fecking sepsis.

Toxic Parents is great! I've done quite a lot of very demanding therapy, but still learned from that book, heard about it here. Yes, its possible death won't be a release. It might be a relief, becuase the door is finally closed in the msot final way, or it might not affect the regret. Ho hum.

I do sometimes wonder how he sees things, always two sides to every story aren't there

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