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Man's Mid Life Crisis From the OW's Side

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Joy5 · 24/01/2014 20:44

Two years and a bit on from the end of my marriage, i'm starting to wonder what its been like for the OW.

Is it really that much fun to be with a man who's destroyed his family, and his children's happiness? Have all the problems been worth the new relationship?

Will the new relationship even survive long term?

Would just be interested to hear the other side's point of view.

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Bl00dyhell · 24/01/2014 22:50

Bogey sorry I sit in the minority. I've had a sexless marriage for nearly a decade, I haven't left because of the impact on my children and the upset it will cause me wife. I have extreme guilt about what I think I'm going to do, it gives me no joy and I hate myself for it. I'm still married, not for my benefit, but for the benefit of others.
That's why i say, there are two sides

akawisey · 24/01/2014 22:53

I disagree. It isn't always easy to do the right thing. We all have difficult choices to make at some point, where we have to balance what we might want against the well-being of others and that has nothing to do with wanting for nothing, although having an unhealthy view of the world might.

somedizzywhore1804 · 24/01/2014 22:55

I'm going to stick my neck out here and probably get flamed as I was the OW.

I was incredibly young (aged 14 when it began) and he was my teacher and it was all a bit gross but without dressing it up I was the OW and continued to be for a few years.

I don't know if my experience is typical (not the youth and teacher bit- that's definitely unusual!!) but what I will say is that I really loved him and he absolutely and completely convinced me that his wife was horrible and controlling and didn't give him the love he needed and that he was living this cold, barren existence and that I was what was keeping him going. So I did think of his wife but I really and honestly believed she was ruining the man I loved life.

I don't know how I would behave now at almost 30 and I like to think I wouldn't fall for such a load of old cobblers but he had a real hold on me and I just believed everything he said however implausible.

Clearly, we did not end up together!

And wife took him back!! Crackers.

MadBusLady · 24/01/2014 22:57

dizzy I'd be amazed if you got flamed for that. Sad

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akawisey · 24/01/2014 22:58

I don't think I could flame someone who was essentially exploited as a child, by an adult man.

somedizzywhore1804 · 24/01/2014 23:00

Thanks madbuslady but you'd be surprised. Despite my age I had grown adults- people who had been my teachers too- call me a scrubber on the street. Women always have to be mens moral keepers according to some people I think, even if the woman is barely a woman Hmm

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MadBusLady · 24/01/2014 23:01

Bloody hell, how long ago was this?? Were you actually born in 1804? I'm very sorry to hear that, how horrible.

Sparklysilversequins · 24/01/2014 23:04

I used to work with a girl (she was only 19) who was having an affair with a work colleague. When his DP became pregnant I remember this girl wishing that "she would have a miscarriage, because he will never leave her now!".

I knew another who phoned her MM's wife and told her everything so she would throw him out, she did, they shacked up for a while but it didn't last.

I get quite impatient with the it's only the MM who should be blamed not the OW attitude on here tbh because all the OW I have known have been utter, selfish twats who would have done pretty much anything to get the "prize" and didn't care who they hurt.

somedizzywhore1804 · 24/01/2014 23:06

Alas mad, 1985. This was in like, 2006!!!

Sorry not wishing to derail. Continue Grin

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akawisey · 24/01/2014 23:10

Sparkly I agree with you about not blaming OW. Thing is it's about intention. There is a conscious intention and the knowledge that their actions are harmful. The OW does what she does with intent just as much as the MM.

akawisey · 24/01/2014 23:11

x posted with boy.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 24/01/2014 23:23

Men that genuinely love their wives do not cheat. Ditto women that love their husbands don't cheat. There might be love-of-a-sort there but it's dishonest. How can it not be?

There are plenty of relationships between affair partners that work out; perhaps they are better suited than in the original relationships. My ex-partner is happier now - and I think in a better relationship - than he was with me. It's pointless trying to hold on when one partner feels that cheating is an option for them; better to leave, in my opinion. It was a terrible time but, when he cheated, it wasn't me, it was HIM. Partners can't be 'taken', they choose to go.

Some posters persist in the idea that marrying a mistress creates a vacancy; it doesn't. That kind of 'sop' is patronising and really annoys me. It really does a disservice to women too; is it ever said the other way around? No, it isn't. I know of several long-term married couples, who are together following an affair, who are devoted to each other. I think it's unlikely that a couple who has been through an affair, made a relationship with each other, would typically go through such an upheaval only to cheat again. It's yet another comfort-giving yet meaningless platitude in my opinion.

I think that 'other women' often fall into relationships with married men rather than actively pursue them. There may be some that do pursue but I think that there are many OW who do not wish to take the man from his wife, they don't want what she 'has'.

I also think that, as painful as it is to consider, affairs fulfil a missing part of relationships, the 'best bits' the 'highlights' that can sometimes fall by the wayside in marriage/living together partnerships. Both people involved in affairs are free to leave, share the 'best bits' of each other and don't really have to face reality. If you think about it, it's not really surprising that so many affairs occur. I know of two women of my acquaintance whose husbands are having affairs. Both women say that their husband would never... Maybe they are in denial, maybe they really believe that, who knows?

Marriages and relationships that break up are very sad, particularly if there are children involved, but both parents can make sure that lives are not 'destroyed' by a break up. Marriages and relationships break up for many reasons, not just affairs, so if we're saying that affairs cause 'destroyed lives' then we have to accept that break ups for any other reason also cause 'destroyed lives'.

This subject crops up very often but I doubt OW will be 'flushed out' into posting on the thread because they're usually vilified.

Lullabyte · 24/01/2014 23:28

The situation I think is most fucked up wonder about is when both people who were in the affair were having an affair (ie. both married / partnered to other people when they got together). Surely that would make their relationship a double mess of paranoia and fear of future betrayal. Sounds like a nightmare.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 24/01/2014 23:29

I think it's an assumption that some people make that it's a question of a third person being brought into a marriage/relationship... it's a separate thing, a new 'relationship' with obviously different rules and is kept entirely separate and distinct. There are many more affairs going on than people are aware of and some people are good at keeping secrets, essentially living a double-half-life with two 'partners'.

memorylapse · 24/01/2014 23:49

In my case the OW was an older work colleague of my h..the affair officially started while I was heavily pregnant with dd back in 2010.they are now together. I often question how she could have justified her behaviour..our dd was planned as I had posted on ttc threads..yet no doubt he probably said I trapped him..we did have two other dcs, she knew me..she even made my daughters birthday cake. ? But h is very charming and manipulative and cries a lot so I can only assume that he spun her a web of lies about how he was some poor tortured soul trapped in a miserable marraige..she obviously bought it..The irony is her own husband left her for another woman..

Bogeyface · 25/01/2014 01:38

For every affair there is a unique reason for it. There are some genuinely unhappy marriages but in situations where it is impossible to leave, some sexless marriages where there is still love, some where there is an "understanding".
However ime these are rare, and in the most part there are some common themes. Selfishness, arrogance and lies, mainly from the cheater to the cheater.

Some people do have affairs because they can and because they want to. Why do the OW/OM get involved? For the same reason the DW/DH married that person, because they are charming, funny, sexy and say all the right things. Because of all that, they trust the cheater is telling them the truth, just as the DH/DW believes it. How many MNers say "He has been vile for 6 months for no reason, but I know he would never cheat on me" only to find out that that is exactly what he was doing? About the same number of OW who say "I know he loves me, he wants to leave be he cant because she will kill herself/she will kill him/she will kill me/the kids have exams/she is ill....." And because the cheater is such a practised liar, the OW/OM believes them. Cheaters make sure you trust them.

Throw in an OW/OM with their own issues of needing to win/low or high self esteem/ narcissism/arrogance/sociopathy etc and its a recipe for disaster.

Tonandfeather · 25/01/2014 01:55

LWITW your post seems very old-fashioned.

Of course women have the capacity to seek relationships with men. Why wouldn't they? You make women sound like victims who get caught up in relationships without any aforethought. That might have been true in the last century at some point, but now? Women make their own decisions about the sexual relationships they'll have. They don't fall into them and neither do men.

I also think it's an old-fashioned view that affairs fill a gap in a relationship or that anyone who has one doesn't love their partner. It's very possible to love more than one person at a time, or want sex with more than one person at a time without loss of feeling or attachment to the person who was there first. People are attracted to newness, but it doesn't mean the old is deficient in some way or that they even think it is.
A lot of affairs are just about novelty, not bridging gaps.

Tonandfeather · 25/01/2014 02:30

Oh and another thing.

Not all break-ups destroy lives, but break-ups where there has been a whole load of lying and children are forced into meeting new partners when they are just getting to grips with mom and dad splitting up are massively different to couples who dissolve their relationships with no-one else involved. Such a ridiculous thing to say it makes no difference how a marriage ends to the people involved.

I've got an adult friend whose mom really tried her best to reassure her that when her dad left, it was nothing to do with his feelings for my friend. But in her eyes, he chose his new woman and her children over her.

Don't underestimate how children feel about their parent being found out to be a liar, a cheat and someone who prefers another life or family.

lim27 · 25/01/2014 03:04

I was ow. 14 years on. We are happily married with 2dc.

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WaitingForMe · 25/01/2014 08:27

DH and I had what I now understand to be an emotional affair. His ex wasn't heartbroken when he left, they didn't love each other and had just never broken up. She was aware I was on the scene (I'm cited in the divorce) yet takes no issue with me.

I didn't go after a MM. I fell for a friend when we were both married. So we stopped being married to other people and married each other. We've been together almost four years, are still in love and trust each other completely.

LibraryBook · 25/01/2014 10:49

Waitingforme - what about your husband. Was he heartbroken?

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