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tigermoth · 05/03/2004 07:58

It's my birthday on saturday and my husband asked me what I wanted to do for it. I said I wanted to have a mooch round spitalfields market and buy myself something. Most importantly I wanted to go without children. My husband hates shopping so that rules him out too. He was Ok about this, and we agreed to have a family birthday meal at home on Saturday evening.

Yesterday, my husband told me he would be taking my oldest ds (9) to the pub on Sunday to watch 'the match' on TV, so I'd 'have' to take my youngest ds (4.5) with me to Spitalfields. I was waiting for this. I told him that I'd happily cancel my trip and go another Sunday, when I could go minus children. I am honstly not fussed about celebrating my birthday another time.

My husband is still trying to dodge out of this two-son commitiment. I suspect he really wants me to suggest we get a babysitter to look after my youngest or I relocate my shopping trip to a place where there is a creche. In the the past this has been an occasional option but this time I am not going to do it. I want to phase out our dependence on this option. My son, now at school is not such a 'burden' to look after as he was when he was a toddler. Also,I don't want me going out to be dependent on us giving £20.00 or so to a babysitter. My husband knows all this but still doesn't really accept it.

My husband does loads with my oldest son - football, fishing, cinema trips, staying up late together to watch TV when I've gone to bed, cooking together - they are best buddies. I couldn't ask for more. However, as dh says, most of these activities are only relaxing or indeed possible without my youngest ds. He says he does all this stuff with the oldest so it's only fair that I look after the youngest. My husband does the school pick up and looks after both sons for two or three hours till I return from my job each day, so he has lots of input anyway. He is also happy to look after my youngest or both sons if I have an appointment, have to do a supermarket run or there's an emergency - as he should be of course. I can twist his arm and get him to look after both sons if I need to go out to see friends, but really it's a new concept to him that I might want him to take both sons quite willingly while I have some fun. My husband does have time alone for fun and I don't begrudge him that.

Since my youngest ds was born, I have accepted that my dh will gravitate towards looking after my oldest son while I look after my youngest, but I made it clear all along that I would only accept this while pushchairs and nappies loomed large in his life. Once he was of school age I would want more freedom. And now that time has come.

I know in the end I will get my spitalfields alone trip, but I really don't want to have a major argument with my dh about all this. I wondered if anyone else has a dh who is reluctant to look after one of their children, but eager to look after the other(s)? Also comments on how I can get dh to look after both without starting a third world war every time.

Incidently, his parents are just the same. Whenever we stay with them they are eager to look after my oldest ds but never offer to look after the youngest, except to babysit in the evenigs, so if I want to do anything more adult orientated, I have to take my youngest with me. I am not tied to my youngest ds by an invisible string and indeed would like to spend time alone with my oldest while my pils look after my youngest, but this never ever happens, despite hints from me. My youngest ds is very confident and sociable and is certainly not clinging to me alone. I love him and appreciate the time we spend together minus his big brother, but at times I feel stir crazy.

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Blu · 08/03/2004 11:36

Tigermoth, Happy belated birthday.

Can I say, you sound like a SAINT, and I am not surprised you were snappy.

Reading your posts, I actually wondered if your DH is the father of your boys, since you always refer to them as 'my' not 'our'. A long term strategy so that by next year your DH sees them both as 'our' and sees it as no big deal that he have both, and feels generous enough to 'allow' you a shopping day as your birthday treat? Cos, sorry to say this, but your DH sounds quite selfish around this issue.

But hope you had a lovely meal in the evening.

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Clarinet60 · 08/03/2004 14:54

I agree too. Hope it soon improves. Happy Birthday for yesterday, Tigermoth!

dinosaur · 08/03/2004 14:58

I really sympathise Tigermoth.

As DH is a SAHD I make a point, nearly every weekend, of taking both boys out on my own on at least one of the two days so that he gets a break. I also take DS2 out on my day off (Thursday) again so he gets a break.

However I never get any time alone myself, either in the house or outside it, apart from my journey to and from work. The only time I go out on my own is if we are staying with my parents, when my mum (bless her!) will look after the DSs.

roisin · 08/03/2004 16:10

Sorry this marred your birthday TM. You clearly need to get it sorted out.

Does your dh think he's already doing his bit by 'crediting to himself' the time he spends with the boys after school? Whereas this is actually childcare so you can work, rather than childcare so you can have an occasional break.

tigermoth · 09/03/2004 07:52

Well, I have been given the green light for spitalfields this coming sunday. dh will have both boys, he says. Fingers crossed.

dinosaur, I can see you know where I am coming from. I too have felt that the only time I have to myself is on my journey to and from work.

thanks all for your messages. I will report back.

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stace · 09/03/2004 08:16

good for you Tigermoth, have a great time and whats the deal with spitalfields anyhow?

Blu · 09/03/2004 13:41

Stace: IT'S FAB! Brilliant stalls, cool shops (all original and independent, no chain stores, and good value)an array of global food, tasty, cheap and filling, and a really great atmosphere. Are you getting all excited, TM? I'm GREEN thinking about your day on Sunday!

stace · 09/03/2004 18:57

I've heard it good but have also always been told that you need to go really early is that true?

tigermoth · 09/03/2004 19:55

yes, I am getting all excited, blu, so lets hope it happens!

Stace, whenever I have visited Spitalfields, I have arrived after 10.00 am. The market is still in full swing all afternoon. As far as I am aware this market is not one for early starters, though I might be wrong. Perhaps you are thinking of Brick Lane market? Now that is an early morning one. Many years ago I used to run a stall there. We had to arrive at 4.30 am and the bargain hunters were already out in force. My best bits (I used to sell kitsch bric a brac and retro clothes) usually went by 9.00am.

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stace · 09/03/2004 22:47

I used to love columbia market but im too old and too tired to get up that early nowadays!! Have fun anyhow!! Maybe i'll give it a go one sunday. Is it too manic with kids or just that you enjoy it on your own?

tigermoth · 14/03/2004 16:20

well, I'm back! had marvelous child-free time. It was just what I needed. No sign of dh or the boys and no answer from the mobile, so I hope their day is going well. I will now enjoy being alone in the quiet house.

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roisin · 14/03/2004 17:55

Great news TM - glad you got your birthday treat albeit a week late. And hope they've all had such a fab time together, that you're easily able to negotiate more me time in future too.

Janh · 14/03/2004 18:43

tigermoth, that is good news, I'm so glad you've enjoyed your day!

I hope they did have a really good time together too, and that DH will now feel a lot more comfortable about doing things with both boys. (What did they do btw?)

bossykate · 14/03/2004 19:52

so glad you enjoyed your day

tigermoth · 14/03/2004 19:55

they arrived back at 5.30 - ish. Went to a pub for lunch but dh forgot to check they did food on a Sunday. Food was off, so he gave them crips and coke. Hmmmm...next time he has a go at me for feeding sons unhealthy food, I'll remind him of this. Then they visited a friends house. Apparently both boys have been as good as gold all day. Well if that's the case, I am redundant and I herewith relinqish all weekend duties

I intend to do this more regularly, definitely won't wait for next birthday.

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coppertop · 14/03/2004 20:04

Tigermoth - A quick thankyou from me. Dh was reading your thread and, without a word from me, has started including our ds2 in more activities. Until now he had tended to spend time with just ds1 and leave me to look after ds2. Now I get a break in the evenings when they go off to spend time together.

Ooops! Just realised. Dh will probably be reading this too!

tigermoth · 15/03/2004 07:39

nice to be of service, coppertop! dh and I were talking about our day and he said he will take both boys out regularly from time to time. Hope his idea of regularly will be the same as mine. We will be staying with his parents in a few weeks, and I am going to ask dh to take both boys for a few hours while I do something frivolous, just to break the pattern with his parents, too.

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stace · 15/03/2004 10:24

Well done Tigermoth, pleased to hear that it's all working out. You and Coppertop can now give the rest of us hope that MEN CAN BE RETRAINED|!!!

iota · 15/03/2004 10:58

For the last couple of years we have fallen into the 'daddy and ds1' 'mummy and ds2' routine.

However yesterday was a milestone: daddy took ds1 and 2 swimming - alone, without my help - and he survived. (and so did they) Hooray hooray

PS ds's are aged 4 and 2

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Tinker · 15/03/2004 13:40

Oh, so pleased you got your day tigermoth. I think one day equals a trend don't you?

tigermoth · 15/03/2004 19:41

I hope so, tinker.

I've realised it's got very important to me to know that I can leave everyone from time to time without having to launch into a long justification. It't the knowing I can, as much as the doing of it that make the difference. I was explaining this to my dh and I think (hope) he realised.

Stace, I can't say I have retrained him that much, though thanks for the compliment. Dh is almost there but he just needs a push in the right direction.

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ScummyMummy · 15/03/2004 19:50

Brilliant news Ms Moth. So glad everyone had a good time and especially that you got that time to yourself.

roisin · 21/03/2004 10:23

OK - I need your ideas here guys. It's my birthday on Wednesday, and I feel I deserve some pampering. But I've figured I'm not going to get what I want unless I spell it out, but am not sure what I want! Dh can take the day off, I think, so he can take the kids to school. I thought I might stay in bed until they've gone to school, and have breakfast in bed brought to me. Esp to make up for yesterday and today. But what else can I do for the day? Any ideas/inspiration welcome.

Unfortunately dh has a meeting that evening, and he's arranged for a dentist appointment for himself and the boys after school, and apparently needs me to be there too. (I'm a bit phobic about dentists, so that's a real birthday treat!)

I'm feeling so fed up and tearful atm ... must be pre-menstrual