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Lack of intimacy or am I overreacting?

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cschmidt · 17/01/2014 12:55

Apologies in advance for such a long post and for sounding too cold - I’m trying to be as objective as possible. I’m in my late twenties, and my dp is in his mid-thirties, together for just over 3 years, both in good health and shape. He is working in the city, where i worked previously as well, but have been out of work for nearly 18 months. I am working daily on my job search. Not contributing to any bills at all at the moment, but not spending much of his income at all apart from groceries and whatever the household requires. My dear mother buys my clothes and toiletries and gives me spare cash for when I go for job interviews.

Our relationship probably seems perfect for strangers, but I am really struggling with lack of intimacy. We have sex, on average, once in 10-14 days. And when it happens, I initiate it 95% of the time and it’s over in under 15 minutes including foreplay. He makes me climax more often than not, but it’s always the same old routine.

The trouble is, it has always been like this. I bring it up every two months, and 3 times I told him that I will leave if he doesn’t make any effort to improve the situation within the next 6 months. His usual response is:

he is tired (yes, but it’s not like he has got a terribly demanding job. he is normally home by 7pm. no children)
he needs to wake up early (but does not go to bed in time, just sits around watching tv, smoking)
that I don’t have a job, which puts him under a lot of financial stress (I understand that, but the mortgage is less than half his salary and I am working on getting a job. would probably help if he didn’t spend money on unessential designer stuff and other trinkets, but who am I to tell him how to spend his money?)

With varying degree the response ranges from “I’m too stressed because we are buying a house now” to “I’m too busy with work”. Another side of this is that he says that the fact that I try to initiate sex turns him off. Well, in my understanding a kiss on the lips in bed before going to sleep is hardly an initiation. He says that I don’t touch him in the right way, but when I ask how I should do it he mumbles. I tried to do nothing, to ignore him, to forget that sex exists and “act normal”, wear horrible pyjamas to bed, wear sexy nighties - without any success. I tried breaking our routine of dinners at home together and went to see friends. I made my presence very scarce for two months by getting a very busy temp job. He just doesn’t notice. He hugs/touches me sometimes, but not in a sexual way. When he is home on holidays or days off, nothing changes.

I don’t think my ways have changed since we met, really. So surely if we were so terribly incompatible in bed he would have ended it ages ago. In my previous relationships I never had to beg for intimacy.

Oh, and he never arranges for us to spend time together outside the house. Even if it’s a local cinema, it’s always my initiation. I am not even talking about a romantic dinner out. Spoke to him about that, he promised to work on that, without any results so far.

Back in 2011 we somehow decided to get married in 2014. Now he says that it would be unwise to get married unless “we both are on a stable career path, as we both need to work to afford our lifestyle”. Now do I need to explain how that makes me feel? However logically correct it might be, it smells like a graveyard of all hope and romance. Or am I being silly?

Generally he is a nice person, albeit being grumpy for no apparent reason too often. But in the last 3 years my self esteem was torn into shreds. I cry at nights more than I laugh during the day.

Am I overreacting? Is this fixable? Or shall I make arrangements and move out?

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Jan45 · 17/01/2014 13:05

I'm struggling to see what you actually get your of this relationship apart from his financial support and even that isn't exactly generous. He puts absolutely nothing in to make you happy and seems quite content for you to be miserable most of the time. and all that within 3 years. It's really quite depressing, I think you should make arrangements to move out, he refuses to engage with you and appears to have a problem sexually that he's not willing to discuss either, he's kinda pushing you into leaving.

Enb76 · 17/01/2014 13:08

I think you need to make good on your threats to leave and go. This sounds like a relationship that has curled up into a corner and silently passed away.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 17/01/2014 13:13

What do you get out of this relationship now?. What on earth has kept you within this to date, why have you stayed?.

You contradict yourself in the same sentence by saying that generally he is a nice person then adding that he is grumpy both too often and for no apparent reason.

No you are not overreacting and no this is not fixable (perhaps you have stayed to date because you were hoping that he would change. Such men though do not change). Would instead make your own arrangements and move out.

Love your own self for a change; men like this too can do great harm to overall self worth and esteem.

onetiredmummy · 17/01/2014 13:16

Now OP, before we even get onto your question the financial situation is worrying me, why does your mum have to buy your clothes & give you cash? Why is it 'his' money & not yours? Is he resentful that the financial bills must be met by him alone & moans if you need to buy yourself something? Or do you feel guilty about spending 'his' money on yourself?

Ok now your question.

My thoughts are:

  1. He resents your not working & thinks it unfair that he should have to pay. This is why you don't have a social life or go out as you don't 'deserve' to enjoy 'his' money. Any resentment like this may well have a knock on effect in your intimacy. It could also account for him not wanting to marry, you know when you made the original plans in 2011? Were you earning an income then?

  2. He is not turned on by normal sex & the things that do turn him on are not sufficiently mainstream enough for him to share with you: S&M, various fetishes etc. So he deals with his sexuality by himself as he's always done, as its something to hide or even be ashamed of. The other reasons, the tiredness or the stress may well be true but they are convenient excuses rather than the truth.

  3. There is another woman or he is having an affair.

  4. He is honestly too stressed & tired to do anything than slump on the sofa. Being the sole breadwinner can be stressful as everything is down to you to pay so if you fail or fuck it up then its all your fault. Does he have debts you don't know about so doesn't actually have as much spare cash as you think?

If you take the intimacy issue away completely, would the relationship that's left be OK or is it not really that great? Brew

Ragwort · 17/01/2014 13:17

Just move out & forget about him - it will be much easier to focus on job hunting if you are not tied to this bloke and his home - you are so young, why not go abroad to work, anything, just have fun with your life.

He is clearly not the 'right' man for you.

Can you go back to your mum's house short-term?

MadBusLady · 17/01/2014 13:17

It all sounds incredibly sterile and depressing. If he won't talk constructively about the sex problem it's hard to know where to go. When you say "it's always been like this", has it ever been good?

It sounds like he's stalling on marriage, which can really only be a sign that he wants to keep his options open.

maleview70 · 17/01/2014 13:55

18 months is a long time without a job and this might be the crux of the problem. Why haven't you had any success? You live in the south and have no kids to tie you down. Are
You hoping for a dream job to come along at the expense
of all others?

Maybe he is resentful of this and is using sex as a punishment.

Or maybe this is just him and you either accept it or leave.

cschmidt · 17/01/2014 14:40

maleview70: thanks for your comment. I agree that it's a terribly long time without a job. I happened to graduate with a degree in banking in the midst of the financial crisis. The market has been pretty unforgiving, which is no excuse by no means. Also, he bought a house 18 months ago, which needed a lot of renovations. For nearly 8 months I managed the builders and put a lot of work to get the house in shape, which did not exactly help my job search.

When we met 3 years ago I was also in between jobs. That didn't stop him from seeing me. Intimacy was on the same level back then.

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cschmidt · 17/01/2014 14:50

Jan45: What do I get out of this relationship? I'm not sure how to answer this question as I am no longer sure what one can hope to get out. It was nice to do things together - repaint the kitchen, then the grand project of selling his flat and buying a house. Now there is very little that sparks us together as a couple.

I remember what I used to want to get out of this relationship: love, a potential for a family, companionship...

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DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 17/01/2014 14:51

It all sounds like a contest, who is the more put upon. I should move out this weekend. Can your mother put you up?

I cry at nights more than I laugh during the day How is this enviable or normal?

it has always been like this. I bring it up every two months, and 3 times I told him that I will leave if he doesn’t make any effort to improve the situation within the next 6 months Yet here you are, still under the same roof, functioning robotically.

Imagine if you had got married in the past three years. I think he is right not to tie the knot. You are on different planets. Take time out.

MadBusLady · 17/01/2014 14:59

I don't think this was ever a serious prospect if that intimacy problem has always existed TBH. You're clearly not happy with it. You've never been happy with it. I don't blame you, it sounds like a total sexual mismatch. And there has never, from what you say, been any sign of improvement.

You say "surely if we were so terribly incompatible in bed he would have ended it ages ago. In my previous relationships I never had to beg for intimacy." I think a question to consider when you've left and got your life back on track is that, given this huge and obvious problem, why didn't you end it ages ago? Why is that his prerogative?

hellsbellsmelons · 17/01/2014 14:59

'Smoking'!
I assume you mean weed.
That's his problem and it won't ever go away.
Leave him now and get yourself a nice life.

cschmidt · 17/01/2014 15:01

AttilaTheMeerkat: Why have I stayed? I hoped that with time it will change, perhaps when we move in together, then move into a house, then when we are done renovating, then when he takes time off work for christmas... Also, it felt like I'd be shooting myself in the leg by moving out without having my own income first. It takes a lot of time and effort to track down decent jobs (aka jobs that would cover rent), to prepare for interviews, etc. This is also the reason, albeit a weak one, for me not getting, say, a job at Tesco.

When I say he is generally a good person, I mean what others might think of him, colleagues etc. Well mannered, doesn't shout, fairly diplomatic when it comes to other situations.

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cschmidt · 17/01/2014 15:02

hellsbellsmelons: lol! that would explain everything!
no, it's just normal tobacco.

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MadBusLady · 17/01/2014 15:02

As an aside, project managing a house renovation is effectively a full-time job - I know whereof I speak! So really you've been unemployed 10 months.

I am jobhunting at the moment and I have found it pays to ignore any negative attitudes that come from anyone who doesn't have direct and specific experience of this job market. Their four months' terribly stressful period between jobs in 2005 in which they pulled themselves up by their bootstraps or whatever does not count.

cschmidt · 17/01/2014 15:12

MadBusLady: The funny thing is that he thinks that the way we live is absolutely normal. He even sometimes says "yes, a little bit more sex would be nice" but when I offer him alternatives, he finds upteen excuses. I actually think it's his conversation tactic. As in, just sit there and agree with everything I say.

Why I didn't leave ages ago? I wanted to do my best when it came to this relationship, not give up too soon. Also, I was in no position financially to move out.

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cschmidt · 17/01/2014 15:16

MadBusLady: I totally agree with you! I actually feel that I don't come across very well during interviews because of my self esteem. It's like a vicious cycle.

Apart from the house renovations, he's got very high cleanliness standards. So it's not like I'm sitting around doing nothing. There is always dinner ready when he gets home, shirts ironed, house tidy. This takes time, too.

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MadBusLady · 17/01/2014 15:17

I think it's time to start turning this tanker round, isn't it. Yes, it will take you a while to go through the breakup and sort out job, finances, a new place to live etc, but the sooner you start the sooner you'll be in to meet someone who actually wants to have sex with you and marry you and have a family with you. Which is quite important Smile

mercibucket · 17/01/2014 15:24

it sounds like it is time to move on for both of you
no kids
no joint property
why stay?
then look at getting work, any work

maleview70 · 17/01/2014 15:29

Sometimes, and I don't mean to sound harsh, you need to stop thinking about what you have a degree in and take a step back and get employment in any field while you wait for a better opportunity to come up.

I employ people as part of my job and a gap of 18m on a Cv would raise questions for me.

As for the relationship, if he has always been like this then I'm not sure things are ever going to change and in fact are likely to get worse. If sex life is poor before kids it will definitely be worse after them!

cschmidt · 17/01/2014 15:34

maleview70: not saying that I tried really hard, but I have been rejected for "easy" jobs previously, due to experience. Also, I needed to be at home a lot due to house renovations, see above.

May I ask what industry you cover?

I agree that it probably gets worse after having kids. That's my fear.

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VanitasVanitatum · 17/01/2014 15:41

This situation does not sound like it is ever going to change. Why would it? You being employed obviously doesn't help, as when you had a two month temp job he was no more interested in you.

Maybe he is homosexual? That would explain the lack of sex, and if he is for whatever reason hiding it by being with you that would explain why he doesn't expect a better relationship, and doesn't leave.

Whatever the truth is, you are not happy and you will not be in the future. Take responsibility for supporting yourself, whatever job you get, and move back to your mums/into a shared house. The sooner you do it the sooner you can work on being happy.

mercibucket · 17/01/2014 16:04

do you have any financial interest in the house?
sounds like an excuse i am afraid if not

JoinYourPlayfellows · 17/01/2014 16:17

You need to move out and move on.

"Why is it 'his' money & not yours?"

Because it's his and not hers.

They aren't married, they have no children. Just because you move into somebody's house doesn't mean that all their money becomes your money.

MostWicked · 17/01/2014 16:28

Things can only ever change, when both partners are willing to put in the effort. He can't be bothered, he doesn't even think anything is wrong, so it will never change. Even if you get a great job tomorrow, there will still be a whole bunch of other problems and excuses.
~Don't marry him. leave him.