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Lack of intimacy or am I overreacting?

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cschmidt · 17/01/2014 12:55

Apologies in advance for such a long post and for sounding too cold - I’m trying to be as objective as possible. I’m in my late twenties, and my dp is in his mid-thirties, together for just over 3 years, both in good health and shape. He is working in the city, where i worked previously as well, but have been out of work for nearly 18 months. I am working daily on my job search. Not contributing to any bills at all at the moment, but not spending much of his income at all apart from groceries and whatever the household requires. My dear mother buys my clothes and toiletries and gives me spare cash for when I go for job interviews.

Our relationship probably seems perfect for strangers, but I am really struggling with lack of intimacy. We have sex, on average, once in 10-14 days. And when it happens, I initiate it 95% of the time and it’s over in under 15 minutes including foreplay. He makes me climax more often than not, but it’s always the same old routine.

The trouble is, it has always been like this. I bring it up every two months, and 3 times I told him that I will leave if he doesn’t make any effort to improve the situation within the next 6 months. His usual response is:

he is tired (yes, but it’s not like he has got a terribly demanding job. he is normally home by 7pm. no children)
he needs to wake up early (but does not go to bed in time, just sits around watching tv, smoking)
that I don’t have a job, which puts him under a lot of financial stress (I understand that, but the mortgage is less than half his salary and I am working on getting a job. would probably help if he didn’t spend money on unessential designer stuff and other trinkets, but who am I to tell him how to spend his money?)

With varying degree the response ranges from “I’m too stressed because we are buying a house now” to “I’m too busy with work”. Another side of this is that he says that the fact that I try to initiate sex turns him off. Well, in my understanding a kiss on the lips in bed before going to sleep is hardly an initiation. He says that I don’t touch him in the right way, but when I ask how I should do it he mumbles. I tried to do nothing, to ignore him, to forget that sex exists and “act normal”, wear horrible pyjamas to bed, wear sexy nighties - without any success. I tried breaking our routine of dinners at home together and went to see friends. I made my presence very scarce for two months by getting a very busy temp job. He just doesn’t notice. He hugs/touches me sometimes, but not in a sexual way. When he is home on holidays or days off, nothing changes.

I don’t think my ways have changed since we met, really. So surely if we were so terribly incompatible in bed he would have ended it ages ago. In my previous relationships I never had to beg for intimacy.

Oh, and he never arranges for us to spend time together outside the house. Even if it’s a local cinema, it’s always my initiation. I am not even talking about a romantic dinner out. Spoke to him about that, he promised to work on that, without any results so far.

Back in 2011 we somehow decided to get married in 2014. Now he says that it would be unwise to get married unless “we both are on a stable career path, as we both need to work to afford our lifestyle”. Now do I need to explain how that makes me feel? However logically correct it might be, it smells like a graveyard of all hope and romance. Or am I being silly?

Generally he is a nice person, albeit being grumpy for no apparent reason too often. But in the last 3 years my self esteem was torn into shreds. I cry at nights more than I laugh during the day.

Am I overreacting? Is this fixable? Or shall I make arrangements and move out?

OP posts:
MadBusLady · 17/01/2014 17:13

maleview you sound like a perfect example of someone who simply doesn't understand how hard it is to get any job at the moment - particularly for new graduates with no experience. It's possible to work really, really hard at it and be very adaptable in what you go for and work at it full time and still not get anywhere for months and months - yes, 18 months is quite possible. There is a massive component of luck to it. I've spoken to recruiters and HR people who've told me they arbitrarily bin half their applications before they start reading, or only read the first 50, because there are so many.

Sorry for derail, OP, this kind of thing exasperates me - particularly when combined with the predictable advice to do whatever it is you're not doing at the moment. I find if I tell people I am applying for everything they tell me to be less scattergun, and if I tell them I'm being very targeted they tell me to be less choosy.

Actual end of derail now!

paulapantsdown · 17/01/2014 17:26

God love - get out of this now. Life is too bloody short to stay tide to a man who you are sexually incompatible with, who doesn't like to share, is boring company, and who's best personality straight you've said is 'he doesn't shout'.

I'd rather be on my own forever than be in a relationship this dull and joyless.

maleview70 · 17/01/2014 18:10

You say that madbus but what stops you getting a job for a temping agency or a part time job at costa coffee or something? I don't see how Australians coming here on working visa's can get jobs but a UK resident can't. Like I've already said it might not be a job you are trained for but a job is a job and keeps you busy.

I am not saying it is easy getting a job in your chosen field but getting a job of any sorts especially when you live in the south and don't have kids can't be that hard surely?

MadBusLady · 17/01/2014 18:17

Nope, can't get temping jobs even. Sorry.

yourehavingalaugh · 17/01/2014 18:46

How in earth can a sensible intelligent person be unemployed for 18 months? Where is your pride? He sounds angry and resentful towards you (as I was towards ex who had no inclination to do a proper job but was quite happy for me to work all hours to support the family.)

yourehavingalaugh · 17/01/2014 18:53

How in earth can a sensible intelligent person be unemployed for 18 months? Where is your pride? He sounds angry and resentful towards you (as I was towards ex who had no inclination to do a proper job but was quite happy for me to work all hours to support the family.)

MadBusLady · 18/01/2014 01:08

Was that so impressively stupid you had to say it twice?

ALittleStranger · 18/01/2014 09:06

*"Why is it 'his' money & not yours?"

Because it's his and not hers.

They aren't married, they have no children. Just because you move into somebody's house doesn't mean that all their money becomes your money.*

I'm firmly with Join on this. They are not in a committed partnership and the OP's partner isn't under an obligation to keep here. I think holding off on a wedding and not taking her on constant dates is reasonable under the circumstances.

Honestly, if I had a friend of either gender who'd had a relatively new partner move in and not work for 18 months I'd be telling them to run to the hills. The house improvements are a red herring, would you have quit a job that you did have to oversee them? After a certain point of unemployment you have to reassess what is feasible and whether you need to change direction or re-qualify (not entirely sure what a degree in "banking" is, but maybe I'm old fashioned).

I'm struggling to see what you are getting out of this relationship OP? It sounds dead in the water. Your DP isn't committed enough to want to support you (and is under no obligation to), the affection is gone. Best to write it up to experience and cut your losses and run. You might find it's the kick up the bum you need to carve out a better life for yourself.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 18/01/2014 09:18

I think a year and a half unable to get any employment is tough on OP but from her P's pov yes he might wonder if she has settled for a cosy domestic set up and he could be anxious about a property round his neck. A different set up from three years' ago when she was between jobs and the house was still a sparkle in an estate agent's eye.

If you move out it need not mean you end the relationship. It would give you both space to ask yourselves is this is over.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 18/01/2014 09:20

This is in no way a perfect relationship even to a bunch of strangers on the internet.

You've probably stayed within this in the hopes that your presence would make change and make him change - you were dead wrong there. No wonder as well your self worth has been torn to shreds; I daresay it was not great to start with.

You and he should not be together; you come across like two separate people clinging to the wreckage of a relationship that was dead in the water some considerable time back.

Suelford · 18/01/2014 09:24

If the genders were swapped you would be being called a cocklodger.

LittleBabyPigsus · 18/01/2014 16:35

yourehavingalaugh it took my best friend's husband over two years to find a job. He has an MPhil, no kids, very friendly and easy to get on with, they live in the South. He was getting turned down for even cleaning jobs. Nightmare!

Twattergy · 18/01/2014 18:44

This is not about you being unemployed this is about two people being in the wrong relationship. If you were well matched the job/money situation wouldn't be stopping you from moving forward in life together. He's ripping your esteem to shreds, he doesn't make you happy. The whole point of being in a relationship is that , even in tough times, you make each other happy and are a team, and meet each others needs.Please leave him.

Charlieorange · 25/01/2014 16:50

Hi there,
i've just come across this thread and I must say, I could have written this myself! I can totally relate to everything you're going through and am In the exact same situation apart from now I have found a great job and work monday to friday 9-5.
The whole sex thing though is exactly the same. It's been a month now since we've had any sexual contact and it's been like this for a very long time. We've argued constantly about it - he says when we argue, it takes him a long time to get over it so he can't have sex with me (in my opinion having sex is a great way to make up!) It's just a constant thing! Sometimes things are ok, we'll have sex maybe once a week but on average it's about once a month. He says he feels like I don't really love him etc but I do nothing but shower him with affection most of the time. Even when we go weeks without arguing, the sex is still scarce. I'm only 24 so feel like I could see how things go for a while longer (we've been together for 2 years and lived together for a year) but ultimately, I know I couldn't live in a sexless relationship all my life... I mean who would?! He seems to be happy with watching porn and masturbating alone and i've become totally desensitised to it now. I've stopped trying. I wouldn't dream of initiating sex with him because much like your boyfriend, he says that turns him off. I've come to terms with the fact that sex doesn't happen naturally for us but somehow something inside me remains hopeful that we'll go back to how is was at the beginning of our relationship. Maybe we need some time apart... I don't know.
How are things developing in your relationship?

Joysmum · 25/01/2014 17:02

I think the whole unemployment issue is a red herring tbh. It's one thing to be unemployed, another to treat job hunting itself as being a full time job. Clearly, he doesn't think you are putting in enough effort in finding work.

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