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Coping with an emotionally abusive partner at 32 weeks - should I leave?

35 replies

RubyLady · 28/12/2013 15:12

Hi all

I'm pretty new to using mumsnet so don't have all the lingo down yet but hope you can give me some guidance!

I've been with my partner for 2 years 7 months, and am 32 weeks pregnant. We’ve been through a lot in our short relationship, inc 2 terminations (one with twins, an unplanned pregnancy which after 13 weeks of increasingly severe depression I felt unable to cope with and another 5 months later, despite using contraception, which I would have kept but he convinced me to terminate) all in the past 18 months. The current pregnancy was planned, but I conceived within hours of saying I wanted to try so we didn’t have much time to process it. I have always believed I wouldn’t be able to conceive easily as I have pcos and had never been pregnant before this relationship – I had even started finding out about fertility treatment before meeting him at almost 35.

When we met he was in a difficult place – seriously in debt, stuck in a job where he wasn’t getting paid, living off savings at his parents’ place at the age of 37. I am a very independent person with a successful career who has always dated successful men and I found this hard to cope with, however I was falling for him and probably thought I could fix things (I have a tendency to do that). So when I fell pregnant the first time, I suggested that we move in together and promised to pay the majority of the rent and bills, while he got himself out of the bad situation he was in and looked for a secure job (which he did get, very quickly, although his debts meant that he still could not contribute much towards rent etc).

Just before the first pregnancy his behaviour started to change. It started with an extreme reaction to my being pursued by someone I had met socially, someone I wasn’t interested in romantically but who was a useful work contact – where he hacked into my emails and put me through hell, making me feel guilty about something that wasn’t there. I considered leaving then, but very shortly afterwards I discovered I was pregnant and thereafter seemed constantly trapped in a cycle of pregnancy and getting over the trauma of termination.

Over the past year and a half things have deteriorated and he has done and said many things that constitute emotional abuse (much of it while I’ve been pregnant). I have also got myself into financial difficulties by covering so much, and regret having got myself into this situation but at the time I wanted to show that I believed in him. I no longer love him, in fact I don’t even like him, and I now know I should have left after the first pregnancy. Some things he has said or done include:

• making me feel I’m always at fault
• automatically disagreeing with everything I think or say
• telling me I’m too selfish to have kids
• discounting/belittling my personal experience and opinion, making me feel stupid, saying I’m “intellectually shallow”
• Using the abortions to hurt me (you took my babies away) even though he coerced me into having the second one
• Telling me I “have a problem with pain” and that I have left him out of the birth process because I want to have an epidural and he wants me to have an unmedicalised birth
• telling me he doesn’t trust me but he doesn’t know why
• saying he knows I’m not telling him something/that I have just lied – that he can “feel” it leading me to feel constantly guilty (this could be a look or, on one occasion, a “pause” in the wrong place)
• withdrawing emotionally from me when I see certain people/go to certain places so that I stopped doing it
• withholding affection as punishment – during this pregnancy I’ve constantly had to ask him for it
• saying he wants to take his baby away i.e. if we split up he wants to look after it - making me feel I would be a bad mother
• saying that he cares about the baby inside me but not about me
• making me feel bad for asking him to move out of our shared bed because he snores heavily & 4 months in to the pregnancy I was permanently exhausted - saying he “no longer felt close to me” cos we weren’t sharing a bed and that I was “taking his baby away from him”.
• making me feel I have abandoned him/the relationship when I go to see my family or go away for work
• saying insensitive things about my appearance and weight while I’m pregnant, making me feel ugly

I’m now in an impossible situation because we are about to move into a new (cheaper) place together, I have worked hard to make sure I can cover my maternity leave (I have my own company so it is up to me) but it doesn’t leave me with much financial wiggle room and it would be a serious stretch for me to cover the rent on my own – although it might be doable. Every instinct I have is telling me to get out now, rather than trying to get him to leave later, because I am in a constant state of stress and anxiety - but the small group of friends and family that I have talked to have warned me that I will need him around immediately after the birth and that I should just grin and bear it for now. I also don’t want to leave him out of the process despite his behaviour, as I know he has always wanted to be a father. He is extremely good with children, is very charming and popular and people generally think he is a loving, kind, gentle guy and that I’m lucky to have him. I feel very anxious about the labour with him, and am considering having my mum there for moral support. Any advice would be much appreciated.

OP posts:
bisjo · 28/12/2013 15:18

I'm no expert but I think you know the answer. Being a single parent isn't easy but definitely preferable to being with someone who treats you so badly.

daiseehope · 28/12/2013 15:19

Hi Ruby, the only Thing I can say is that you are me, 11 yrs ago exact same behaviours etc. Leave now before your children know him. I now have finally grown balls and will have to separate 3 older kids from dad. It will not change, sorry xx

daiseehope · 28/12/2013 15:21

He will have to help financially, you may get housing benefit x

Bogeyface · 28/12/2013 15:25

Wow, you have just won Red Flag Bingo, it is horrible just how abusive this man is. You need to get out ASAP, and tell hell with what other people think. You must remember that other people like the status quo, so they will try to persuade you to stay because it makes their lives easier, not yours.

Read back your list of "faults". How many of them do you think actually refer to him?

making me feel I’m always at fault do you genuinely feel that you are always wrong?

•telling me I’m too selfish to have kids - are you? Or is he?

•discounting/belittling my personal experience and opinion, making me feel stupid, saying I’m “intellectually shallow” - again, you or him? You run your own business and are successful, he is in debt up to his arse and only got another job when you pushed him to. You are better than him and he knows it, but he is trying to stop you figuring that out.

•Using the abortions to hurt me (you took my babies away) even though he coerced me into having the second one - it has to be your fault so he doesnt have to deal with any guilt he feels

•Telling me I “have a problem with pain” and that I have left him out of the birth process because I want to have an epidural and he wants me to have an unmedicalised birth - this screams of control.

•telling me he doesn’t trust me but he doesn’t know why - projection. He cant be trusted so he assumes you cant be either. I wouldnt be surprised to find he has cheated on you at some point.

•saying he knows I’m not telling him something/that I have just lied – that he can “feel” it leading me to feel constantly guilty (this could be a look or, on one occasion, a “pause” in the wrong place) - again, projection. He is keeping secrets, so you must be too.

•withdrawing emotionally from me when I see certain people/go to certain places so that I stopped doing it - control

•withholding affection as punishment – during this pregnancy I’ve constantly had to ask him for it - control

•saying he wants to take his baby away i.e. if we split up he wants to look after it - making me feel I would be a bad mother - classic abusive technique. When all else fails they go for the Achilles heel, your children. He wouldnt get custody under any circumstances and if you feel he could not return her after a visit, you can insist on supervised contact.

•saying that he cares about the baby inside me but not about me - I suspect this is true in that he does care about the baby but only to use it against you.

•making me feel bad for asking him to move out of our shared bed because he snores heavily & 4 months in to the pregnancy I was permanently exhausted - saying he “no longer felt close to me” cos we weren’t sharing a bed and that I was “taking his baby away from him”. - more control

•making me feel I have abandoned him/the relationship when I go to see my family or go away for work - possessive, controlling, manipulative

•saying insensitive things about my appearance and weight while I’m pregnant, making me feel ugly - plain ol' bastardly abuse.

LEAVE THIS MAN NOW It will be much harder to leave after the baby is born believe me. Could you work part time after the baby comes to allow you some more wiggle room financially? You run the business, you make the rules, take the baby with you!

muddylettuce · 28/12/2013 15:26

He is an abusive arse. I think you know what you have to do. Good luck. X

tribpot · 28/12/2013 15:30

Get out now. This is immeasurably easier to do 8 weeks before birth than 8 weeks after. I dread to think how much he will ramp up the abuse once you are completely vulnerable. I suggest you don't wait around to find out.

FluffyJumper · 28/12/2013 15:38

It will only get worse. He will ruin the precious first few months with your new baby.

SolidGoldBrass · 28/12/2013 15:45

Get rid. You can't fix this man. He's a parasite and an arsehole and he won't improve. At present you can bin him and refuse any contact with him (including taking legal measures to keep him away from you.) He has no 'rights' WRT your baby until s/he is born, and even then you will be able to stall him - he may give up and go away. DON'T put his name on the birth certificate, either.

cjel · 28/12/2013 16:14

I just wanted to say that you don't NEED this person around after you have the baby. My dd had her first baby at 17 and has done wonderfully on her own without the dad. DGD is now 13 and dd is married to wonderful mad and has another child with him.
If you stay it will be harder than being a single mum.

cardiandcrocs · 28/12/2013 16:29

Sweetie, in answer to the question in your title.

YES!!!

wallypops · 28/12/2013 16:37

LEAVE NOW. It will soon be 100 times worse. Mine turned as soon as I get pregnant. Unplanned but it went downhill v fast. Way worse after the first baby and unbelievably toxic after the second. I regret every minute except my babies. We also were an absurdly fertile couple. It happens.

wontletmesignin · 28/12/2013 16:43

Get out now. You woll not need him around after the birth. You will be far better off on your own!

I think you know this already

NellysKnickers · 28/12/2013 16:45

Leave now. So much harder with children.

Joysmum · 28/12/2013 16:48

I don't normally advise people to leave based on a one sided short post, but I think given what you've written you've already decided what's right for you and your baby.

Best of luck x

lovemenot · 28/12/2013 16:52

Listen to your gut, it's telling you all you need to know.

Leave, now, and set up a new home for you and your child, one that is full of the love you both deserve.

ImperialBlether · 28/12/2013 17:00

Ugh, he is really horrible.

Are you tied into this new place? Does the landlord have alternative accommodation for you?

Your friends are wrong. He won't be a help to you at all. He's emotionally abusive and manipulative - the fact that he's able to hide this from others is something they need to take on board.

You will find life MUCH harder with him than you will alone.

SolidGoldBrass · 28/12/2013 17:10

The people telling you to 'stick it out' and that you will 'need him' are wrong. Horribly, stupidly, dangerously wrong. They may love you and have good intentions, but they are locked into a mindset that considers women less than human, and men as the ones who matter, who must be obeyed and placated and clung onto.
You will be much happier alone. You and your baby will be safer alone, with this man kept as far away as possible. It is quite likely that he will disappear and not trouble you again, but even if he does, you will be able to keep him at a safe distance and make sure that he doesn't get to harm your baby (supervised contact, etc, obstacles to put in his way.)

TheVermiciousGrinch · 28/12/2013 17:12

Get out now. Seriously. It's only going to get worse.

I really would advise you not to have him at the birth. Labour and birth is not just a physiological process, but also intensely psychological/emotional. Having somebody so unsupportive and emotionally abusive with you could really interfere with the process - especially considering what you have said about his attitude to epidurals / unmedicalised birth.

Your friends and family who advise you not to leave him now don't have to live with him, ignore them - or make sure you tell them exactly what he does and has done in the past.

something2say · 28/12/2013 17:17

Hi ruby,

I agree with everyone else. I'll let them handle that aspect of your post.

What I want to say is this. If you do leave or rather when, really understand me when I say that he won't agree with why you are doing it. Do not talk to him about it and expect him to agree. Expect him to actively disagree, second guess you, criticize you, call you names, try to get other people to back him up and so on. I would advise you that, when the time comes, you have the conversation with him and then go somewhere yourself.

You can have this baby alone. Plenty of women have done. Just don't think that he will suddenly turn decent and agree with you. Abusers almost never do. They twist and blame. But it's not you. That's why I say don't ask him to agree with you and expect him not to xxx

starlight1234 · 28/12/2013 17:19

My Ex got more and more abusive from when I conceived till when I left him.....

Actually giving birth made it far worse as I had tiny son to look after who had jaundice so I was exhausted and didn't really have time to be pandering to his every whim...

I left him when DS was 10 months old but wish I had done it sooner.

dervlam · 28/12/2013 17:19

I could have written this post 5 years ago. I left with my 6 week old baby when I found out my emotionally abusive partner was having an affair. Without any doubt, it was the best decision I ever made. The friends that are telling you to stay are imagining you have a dp capable of caring about you and putting your emotional needs first. Only you know if thats true. My partner wasn't and was even horrible during the labour. Post birth, he was his same selfish self. I left with my baby boy and life has only got better and better since. I have a beautiful, happy 5 year old boy. I'm married to a caring, kind man and have another ds.

I was lucky that my ex had an affair as it enabled me to leave guilt free. If you do decide to leave, be ready for him to put an awful lot of energy into getting you back. This seems to be the pattern unfortunately. Stay strong. My ex still feels like the victim, is still miserable and blames me for ruining his life.

It will be hard alone but not half as hard as sharing such a happy time in your life with someone treating you like that and ruining your first weeks with your baby.

There's a lot of online support here with people who have been through similar.

Lweji · 28/12/2013 17:31

•saying he wants to take his baby away i.e. if we split up he wants to look after it

This alone should be enough for you to leave. And don't put his name on the birth certificate.

zebdee · 28/12/2013 17:37

Get out I had similar concerns with my ex and nearly left before dd and didn't left when dd was 5 months wish id done it far sooner!!

HissymasJumper · 28/12/2013 17:38

Sweety, if you think he's bad now...
Just wait..actually don't wait, gtfo now.

He will still fight you, threaten and intimidate you when you're out, but at least you have a chance of getting outside help and staying safe.

2 women a week are killed by their partners. You have a matter of weeks to help yourself protect yourself and your baby.

HissymasJumper · 28/12/2013 17:40

I am chair of a DV charity, I have given speeches and talks to hundreds of people.
I know hundreds of former victims.

Not a single one of them ever regrets getting away from her abuser.

Where are your family in all this? Do they help you?

Or are they supporting his abuse of you? (very, very common!)