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Is my DP a bully?

46 replies

louby44 · 11/12/2013 16:39

Brief history: both in our 40's, divorced, we have 2 kids each (he has DD 14 & 16, I DS 10 & 14). We've been together nearly 6 years, not married. My DS live with us fulltime, DD visit sporadically now. DP has been married twice both wives had affairs.

He was brought up with a very strict father and then spent 23 years in the army. He's very organised and tidy - not obsessively so but he likes things sorted. He likes rules and woe betide if they are broken! I've never once picked up his dirty washing off the floor - very different to my ex-husband. He has always worked hard and is generous and has always been kind and loving towards me. We have good jobs and a decent standard of living. As a couple we function really well. I love him but I don't think I love him enough anymore. He has real anger issues and gets very frustrated when things go wrong, cursing and slatting things. He isn't violent - but I think he could be!

As a family we don't function at all anymore. This has got worse over the past 12 months. He dislikes my 2 DS, he has never said this out loud but it's obvious by his lack of warmth and affection towards them. He has never made any effort to bond with them. All 3 of them tolerate each other.

They are typical boys, noisy, messy, loud and they bicker like mad. DS14 has turned into a teenager overnight and DP can't stand his surliness and attitude (it's just typical stuff, muttering etc) I let a lot of it ride - he cannot!

Over the years my DP has insisted that the boys cannot play football in our large garden incase they damage the plants, he moans if bikes/scooters are left out, he moans about marks being left on the walls and if toilets aren't flushed. He criticises the way the boys eat and their lack of table manners. In the past I've gone round touching up the walls and putting bikes away before he gets home, just to keep the peace and stop the constant moaning. The kids are only allowed to eat and drink in the kitchen, we have a TV room (den) that's the kids room, because a few drinks were split and crisp wrappers left in there, they are no longer allowed to eat/drink in there.

Two years ago we had a family party with 3 teenage girls (nieces) plus his 2 DD, he wouldn't let them in the lounge with drinks and because the kitchen chairs were being used elsewhere the girls had to sit on the kitchen floor. I was disgusted at that!

He never says anything nice to my DS! It is all negative, telling them off. There is very little laughter or fun. He is very serious, it’s like he puts a wall up around himself whenever the kids are there. He can’t let his serious side down. We've had some good family holidays however, and he seems to become more relaxed then. He is affectionate with his daughters.

When his girls visit and my DS are with their dad, we sit in silence round the table. I am the only one that makes conversation.
On Monday my DS10 'farted' by accident at the tea table, he said sorry but my DP threw his knife and fork down and said "I'm not eating my meal surrounded by pigs" and stormed out. I wasn't happy and because I challenged him he has now not spoken to me since Monday evening. I think I’ve finally seen the light!

I think I've also answered my own question haven't I?

OP posts:
whatdoesittake48 · 11/12/2013 16:56

Sounds like it. it seems to me that his very regimented life has affected him and he expects or even needs other people to fit in with his needs.

You are already walking on eggshells and doing everything you can to avoid arguments. it isn't fair. I suggest stopping all of that straight away. Just act in a normal, but respectful way. let the kids be kids and see his reaction. They are your children and as long as they are polite, respectful and kind, you can bring them up any way you see fit.

This will be the perfect test of his commitment to the family. You need to challenge him, if it safe to do so and very quickly you will gauge if this man is worth staying with.

My guess is that he will show his true colours quickly. he needs control and when he loses it he won't know what to do. it will be very distressing for him and you will see if he is willing to change. I am guessing not.

gaygirlwales · 11/12/2013 16:56

What a miserable time, your children are probably having a miserable time too. Does he make you happy at all?

Are you affectionate with each other? Do you love him and do you think he loves you?

KellyHopter · 11/12/2013 17:02

So he can treat your children with utter contempt for years but you've 'finally seen the light' after he gives you the cold shoulder for a few days??

Disgusting, both of you.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 11/12/2013 17:02

Yes you have answered your own question indeed.

A total dealbreaker here for me re him is him not actually liking your sons at all. Feel quite sorry for your sons actually in all this because they truly have a crap stepfather figure in their midst currently. You have to take some responsibility here for also allowing him into their lives.

This man has a chequered relationship history anyway and is extremely rules based so this was never really going to pan out at all well.

He also sounds like he still is in the army and runs the home like an army camp. Its not on and I do wonder why you have allowed this to go on for so long, what have you got out of this relationship with him?. He's actually managed to reduce you to going around touching up the paintwork before he arrives home (and start moaning again). And now he's giving you the silent treatment (that is abusive behaviour designed to keep you on your toes).

Put you and your sons first as of now, this man of yours needs to be gone from your life asap.

Donkeylovesmarzipanandmincepie · 11/12/2013 17:17

He sounds hostile and resentful OP, I feel sorry for your sons. Quite surprised he's not yet suggested boarding school for them. He may have qualities that make him a better partner than your ex but your DCs must feel like they're surplus to requirements.

CooEeeEldridge · 11/12/2013 17:18

I'm not sure he's a bully, I couldn't stands marks on walls, food wrappers left out, not flushing toilets, bad table manners, farting at table and backchat either to be honest!

He sounds stricter than you and your parenting styles sound incompatible.

paulapantsdown · 11/12/2013 17:25

Sounds like a miserable home. Why have you not acted on his dislike of your children before? Tbh, I wouldn't have agreed to live with someone who didn't like my kids in the first place.

Diagonally · 11/12/2013 17:28

Why have you let him dictate the household rules and say what people can and can't do?

Who put him in charge?

Fair bet your DC absolutely loathe him. It sounds a completely joyless existence for you all.

basgetti · 11/12/2013 17:32

Yes he is a bully. And he has been violent before, to his own DD (I've read your other threads). Why have you subjected your children to living with an adult who clearly dislikes them? You have put your relationship needs ahead of the welfare and happiness of your own children. Inexcusable IMO.

crazykat · 11/12/2013 17:33

I see his point with table manners, rubbish left on the floor, I flushed toilets and marks on the walls. I expect my 4 and 5 year olds to put their rubbish in the bin, flush toilets, have table manners and not damage our home.

I have a dsd and it can be hard to show affection in the way I do with mine as its a different relationship.

I was also raised in the army and once my dad was on civvy street I couldn't believe the way some of my friends behaved as my parents were quite strict with me. My dad also finds it hard to express his feelings after being raised in a military family and 26 years service. He also has a temper and would shout rather than talk but I was never scared of him.

You need to find a middle ground with regards behaviour of your dcs and from what you've said IMO you'll have to be more strict as if my DCs displayed behaviour which needed walls touching up and toilets not flushed at the ages your DCs are I would go mental at them as it shows a complete disrespect of your home.

HedgehogsRevenge · 11/12/2013 17:34

You already have a thread going about this, why start another? You've allowed this man to chip away at your son's for years and for what? so they can join you in your misery? I can't for the life of me understand why you've allowed this to continue for so long, it's not like he makes you happy is it seeing as you're walking on eggshells.You say you're sorted financially so it's not like you can't leave because you're reliant on him.
Sorry i just find it hard to offer support to someone who puts their love life before their children's happiness. I'll never understand why you ever thought it was a good idea to bring this man into your children's home.
They'll resent you for it you know.

ohfourfoxache · 11/12/2013 17:39

He sounds fucking horrible Sad

OneStepCloser · 11/12/2013 17:43

It sounds miserable tbh, do you really want your boys living in a home where someone just tolerates them? In your heart of hearts do you really want to live like this, you sound as though you are walking on eggshells for when he gets home.

And just for the fact that you send he hasnt been violent but you think he could be, is real cause for concern.

defineme · 11/12/2013 17:48

I feel so so sorry for your boys, particularly your 10 year old (a 14 yrold maybe able to think him sod him he's the one with the problem, but I doubt a 10 yr old will think anything other than he doesn't like me I must be shit).
They do need to flush loos and have table manners, but they're still kids and not soldiers-there needs to be love as well as discipline. My house has marks on the walls-why else do people re-decorate? I had a very messy room as a child (I don't now) and my parents got fed up with it, but they wouldn't waste their energy getting really angry about it.
I know a lot of houses with only eat in certain rooms, but if you don't agree with his rules then he needs to compromise-you should be a team, he's not the boss.

What's he going to do if they do something really naughty?

The deal breaker for me is that they must know he doesn't like them. How utterly shit for them. I wouldn't feel inclined to treat my house respectfully if the people in it didn't respect me.

louby44 · 11/12/2013 21:25

Thank you for all of your responses, I appreciate your thoughts - good or bad.

My situation hasn't happened overnight it's been a gradual thing. There have been a number of times when it's been apparent that maybe things weren't working out and we did discuss them and tried to move on.

Since his own DD have reduced their contact with him he has got more and more resentful.

I am ashamed that I have stayed with him for so long and yes maybe I have put my own feelings first - not proud of that!

This relationship is over as far as I'm concerned.

OP posts:
KellyHopter · 11/12/2013 21:53

Excellent, well done.

defineme · 11/12/2013 22:00

I'm pleased - I honestly do feel sad for you, but mainly for your boys-imagine how they will feel when he's not there- it'll be worth it.

MerryFuckingChristmas · 11/12/2013 22:13

You are ending it then ? Put your kids first now, it's about time. I could never let a mere bloke treat them like that. Tell this little Hitler to march off into the sunset.

Flossiechops · 11/12/2013 22:16

Didn't I read the exact same thread this morning???! Blush

LoisPuddingLane · 11/12/2013 22:21

It is possible that the boys are being a bit messy and forgetting to flush etc as some subconscious territory marking. After all, they were there first.

Upcycled · 11/12/2013 22:36

Even if you do split up, please keep up with some rules regarding marks on walls, food wrappers left out, not flushing toilets, bad table manners, farting at table and backchat.
You are doing your children a disservice if you don't correct them now and instil good habits.

pictish · 11/12/2013 22:45

Why on earth did you set up home with a man who had made no effort to bond with your children?

I couldn't get past that part. I don't want to be all down on you...but that jumped out at me. He made no effort to bond with them, yet you made them move in with him, to be 'tolerated'?

I think you need to get your priorities sorted out OP. And I mean that with kindness. You have put yourself before your children for long enough now.
Concentrate on your boys, and on making their home a safe, relaxing, welocming environment in which they belong.
Good luck!

Sorcha1966 · 12/12/2013 07:44

YHM

Contrarian78 · 12/12/2013 09:09

some of his points are valid. They won't appreciate it now, but certain elements of this regime will stand them in good stead. Only you know however if the good outweighs the bad.

Is your DP the only male influence in thier lives (how much do they see of their father)? I've known some very successful step-families, but they've always seemed (to me at least) to have that little bit more to overcome the issues which crop up for most of us.

My advice (which runs contrary to what many have said on here) is to try and break the cycle. If it wasn't always this bad then you've some hope. Accept that your DP is the way he is, and set about trying to "knock the edges off"

cloudskitchen · 12/12/2013 09:24

Louby he sounds like an absolute nightmare. I don't like to say ltb on here but I know I couldn't live with a man like that and I couldn't live with someone that disliked my kids. As you say you've answered your own question really.

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