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Is my DP a bully?

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louby44 · 11/12/2013 16:39

Brief history: both in our 40's, divorced, we have 2 kids each (he has DD 14 & 16, I DS 10 & 14). We've been together nearly 6 years, not married. My DS live with us fulltime, DD visit sporadically now. DP has been married twice both wives had affairs.

He was brought up with a very strict father and then spent 23 years in the army. He's very organised and tidy - not obsessively so but he likes things sorted. He likes rules and woe betide if they are broken! I've never once picked up his dirty washing off the floor - very different to my ex-husband. He has always worked hard and is generous and has always been kind and loving towards me. We have good jobs and a decent standard of living. As a couple we function really well. I love him but I don't think I love him enough anymore. He has real anger issues and gets very frustrated when things go wrong, cursing and slatting things. He isn't violent - but I think he could be!

As a family we don't function at all anymore. This has got worse over the past 12 months. He dislikes my 2 DS, he has never said this out loud but it's obvious by his lack of warmth and affection towards them. He has never made any effort to bond with them. All 3 of them tolerate each other.

They are typical boys, noisy, messy, loud and they bicker like mad. DS14 has turned into a teenager overnight and DP can't stand his surliness and attitude (it's just typical stuff, muttering etc) I let a lot of it ride - he cannot!

Over the years my DP has insisted that the boys cannot play football in our large garden incase they damage the plants, he moans if bikes/scooters are left out, he moans about marks being left on the walls and if toilets aren't flushed. He criticises the way the boys eat and their lack of table manners. In the past I've gone round touching up the walls and putting bikes away before he gets home, just to keep the peace and stop the constant moaning. The kids are only allowed to eat and drink in the kitchen, we have a TV room (den) that's the kids room, because a few drinks were split and crisp wrappers left in there, they are no longer allowed to eat/drink in there.

Two years ago we had a family party with 3 teenage girls (nieces) plus his 2 DD, he wouldn't let them in the lounge with drinks and because the kitchen chairs were being used elsewhere the girls had to sit on the kitchen floor. I was disgusted at that!

He never says anything nice to my DS! It is all negative, telling them off. There is very little laughter or fun. He is very serious, it’s like he puts a wall up around himself whenever the kids are there. He can’t let his serious side down. We've had some good family holidays however, and he seems to become more relaxed then. He is affectionate with his daughters.

When his girls visit and my DS are with their dad, we sit in silence round the table. I am the only one that makes conversation.
On Monday my DS10 'farted' by accident at the tea table, he said sorry but my DP threw his knife and fork down and said "I'm not eating my meal surrounded by pigs" and stormed out. I wasn't happy and because I challenged him he has now not spoken to me since Monday evening. I think I’ve finally seen the light!

I think I've also answered my own question haven't I?

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BerylStreep · 12/12/2013 09:29

OK, I haven't read any other replies yet, but on your OP:

I have to say, I am in agreement with the rule about food and drink only being in the kitchen. I also can't stand people touching walls and marking them, so I can see his point there.

The issue seems to be that:

You have differing standards about house rules / tidiness
His relationship with your DS and that he doesn't appear to like them / bond with them
His moodiness / communication issues between you

Whose house is it? Is it owned or rented?

GoldfishCrackers · 12/12/2013 09:45

I don't think anyone is saying that they want their DC to mark walls, forget to flush etc.; the issue is how that's communicated. OP's OH has been violent to his own DD (according to another thread), and sounds pretty rude and scary in his response to an accident:

DS10 'farted' by accident at the tea table, he said sorry but my DP threw his knife and fork down and said "I'm not eating my meal surrounded by pigs" and stormed out.

Then he stonewalls when challenged: I wasn't happy and because I challenged him he has now not spoken to me since Monday evening.

Jan45 · 12/12/2013 14:54

I don't think he's a bully, I think he has very high standards of cleanliness, probably from being in the Army, he can't and shouldn't change that, I would find those things annoying, perhaps not to the extent that he does but still, not flushing the loo, marking walls, leaving rubbish etc, I wouldn't be happy.

The main issue here is you two are completely incompatible with your parenting styles and that will never change so it's either more of the same or you change your living conditions, certainly my kids would come first and no amount of a nice standard of living would make me stay either.

Upcycled · 12/12/2013 15:50

Would him consider therapy for himself OP?
He doesn't need to live as he is in the arm still
This must be exhausting for all involved.

Or perhaps you live in separate houses but carry on the relationship.

louby44 · 12/12/2013 18:12

Marks on walls are accidental, we live in a home with 4 children it isn't a show house and it is inevitable that things will get marked and suffer wear and tear. But it's the way he handles these incidents.

I get cross and angry with the kids but I don't shout at them, get in their faces so that spittle flies out of my mouth. He is often intimdating.

DS10 has had counselling because he was getting aggressive and I believe mimicking DP behaviour. His behaviour has vastly improved, has my DP noticed, praised him, commented? No!

I've suggested couples counselling in the past - I could see what was coming. He wasn't keen!

It's time to move on. The house is jointly owned but I put a large amount of money into it - luckily ring fenced so that remains mine. Thank goodness my solicitor suggested it.

The house is being valued next week.

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OneStepCloser · 12/12/2013 18:33

Well done louby, I read your SP thread quite horrified as it was wrong and I was worried his dds first your boys next or you. You can work on toilets flushed and farting at tables, but the main thing is putting you and your boys first. I genuinly hope you can sort it louby, you deserve someone better. Well done again and best wishes x

MerryFuckingChristmas · 12/12/2013 19:47

good for you

roz1982 · 12/12/2013 21:18

He dislikes my 2 DS, he has never said this out loud but it's obvious by his lack of warmth and affection towards them. He has never made any effort to bond with them. All 3 of them tolerate each other.

This says it all for me.

Upcycled · 13/12/2013 09:38

Yes. End it.

louby44 · 19/12/2013 21:59

What a week! major wake up call for me! This relationship has come to an end. We've had the house valued (not brilliant news for him who has no equity) but it will go on the market in the new year.

We have spent a week barely talking, he seems to find it easier to communicate by text. Says a lot I think. Moved things around so we are now sleeping and living separately. Sorted out finances. It's hard, he was my best friend and told him EVERYTHING, I miss him.

If he's upset, regrets anything, sad...I don't know, he is hiding his emotions very well. Walls around him.

Just wish he would hold his hands up and say "bloody hell I've been shit at this step-parent thing, I hate your kids and didn't love you enough to try to make a bond with them" - then I'd be happy!

I'm so sad with it all. What a dam shame!

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defineme · 19/12/2013 22:39

Good luck. I'm so pleased for your boys-new year new start.

tanya1000 · 19/12/2013 23:47

Hold on to that courage louby, it takes a huge amount to do what you are doing, and get out of the grip of a controlling bully. Being in the army is not an excuse for his behaviour, all children are challenging at times, and getting in their face with spittle flying out is someone with a big problem controlling their temper. My soon-to-be XH did exactly the same with his sons, it is not a pretty sight. Look after yourself and your children, keep safe. Trust me, it's a lot more peaceful on the other side, it will take time but you will get there Xx

OneMoreChap · 20/12/2013 19:46

Excellent news.

I hope you'll both be much happier.

You without a martinet figure in the background shouting at your kids. him not having to live in a shit-stained, mucky heap.

I'm sorry your kids were exposed to his behaviour. How did his kids manage with your... somewhat different regime.

louby44 · 21/12/2013 08:46

I don't know what his DDs thought of my parenting style - I never asked them. They both know there dad has issues, they too have been subjected to his ranting. I do wonder what really did happen with his ex wife, I think there may be more than he let on!

I just want the house to be sold and to just go our separate ways, but I know I have got months of upset and stress ahead of me. Everyday he does something petty, like putting a photo of DS face down in our bedroom. How childish.

The man has issues.

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GoldfishCrackers · 22/12/2013 13:00

This is wonderful news, Louby.

louby44 · 22/12/2013 16:35

It doesn't feel very wonderful. He's being a real bastard over stuff in the house, really showing his true colours.

Whilst I was out yesterday he swapped all of the DVD's/sound system/Sky boxes round so that he gets all the 'good' stuff in the room he is using as his livingroom! He's a fanatical football fan so he watches it all in HD! The Sky is in my name and I could cancel it but I just wouldn't be so petty. I'm so tempted though!

He keeps dumping piles of the boys and my stuff in the middle of the hall for me to sort out.

I've agreed that if I'm cooking a meal I will plate him some up, he's just come in to inform me that he would like me to tell him when his meal is ready so that it isn't sat out on the side for ages! He can whistle, will tell him when I'm ready or he can cook his own!

Then Tesco have just delivered the shopping, he didn't answer the door or help unpack - selfish, selfish man.

I thought this was going to be so difficult but he's making it very easy.

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FreakinAllAboutSugar · 22/12/2013 16:39

Don't cancel the Sky....but change your channels package to include only channels for yourself and DS. Not only will it put Mr Mardy Bastard in his place, it will save you a fortune,the sports channels are the most expensive.

louby44 · 22/12/2013 17:11

He is paying half towards the sky and I've told him he can pay for HD as its in his room. HD is an extra £10 a month.

It's a mess trying to sort out food and bills. We have to live here together for however long it takes for the house to sell. Because of that I don't want to antagonize him as he can be a right nasty piece of work.

He's just had a go at me about the alcohol I'm taking to my parents for Christmas as this final shop has cone out of joint funds. He doesn't want to fund my alcohol consumption. He doesn't think things through though, he has 3crates of beer bought a few weeks ago out of joint funds that I could claim half of, but I don't drink beer. Not interested he can keep it.

He is so petty. It must be hard for him waiting for me to decide what/when to cook a meal, I hold a bit of power there.He obviously doesn't like it when I call the shots but I've never been a doormat, not going to start now!

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HOMEQCRICH · 22/12/2013 17:34

Sounds similar to someone I went out with ... I appreciate from having read a previous post that on MN the word narcissist is bandied round a lot but worth looking up '10 signs you are in a relationship with a narcissist' I am pretty sure I went out with one and it was hideous.

thegreylady · 22/12/2013 18:22

I would cancel Sky after Christmas then take out a new subscription with the channels you like best. I would also stop doing his meals.Let him do his own after you and the boys have eaten.You should go out of your way to make things as pleasant as possible for you and your boys and let this nasty bully fend for himself.

louby44 · 22/12/2013 18:40

No he's not a narcissist. I've read up on that term and what it means and he doesn't show those qualities. He gets angry (a lot) over things that aren't worth getting worked up about, he has a terrible temper, little patience and has trouble communicating when challenged or annoyed- he would rather sulk! He can get aggressive and intimidating but never has with me. But he's not a narcissist.

On the positive side he was very generous, very loving and attentive (towards me but never my DS). Interesting and sociable. Good company.

I worry about him, he has a string of failed marriages and relationships that he needs to think about. His issues need to be addressed otherwise he will never be happy.

However, he doesn't think he has a problem!

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