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MIL meltdown again

29 replies

seoladair · 16/11/2013 16:49

I wrote last year about MIL shouting hysterically at me in front of my 15 month old because we were trying to get her to fit in with our rules. She yelled "I do things my way, not yours". My poor daughter was so scared and I was shaking.

We are at her house for the weekend & just had another incident.
Our daughter is going through a phase of trying to poke eyes and my husband and I were discussing safety around mil's dog. Obviously we wouldn't want the dog to be hurt. We are also concerned about it retaliating and injuring our toddler.

Mil interrupted and told me I worry too much. On a previous occasion the usually docile dog (a golden retriever) snapped at our daughter.
Mil has a history of being careless with our daughter which has already led to a visit to a & e but still she tells me I worry too much.

She is very highly strung and seems to need to control everything. I understand why her own daughter is almost estranged from her. I have read Toxic In-laws and it helped but mil doesn't seem to have accepted the boundaries.

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RedLondonBus · 16/11/2013 16:56

so why on earth are you there for the weekend with all these issues?

Vivacia · 16/11/2013 16:57

What's she actually done wrong? She's voiced an opinion which differs to yours and reflects a level of familiarity, but you're obviously comfortable enough with each other as you're at her house for the weekend.

Pawprint · 16/11/2013 17:00

Well, obviously you need to watch the dog (any dog) in front of your child.

As far as your MIL is concerned, can your dh speak to her? It's not really acceptable for her to shout and scream at you.

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Vivacia · 16/11/2013 17:02

As far as your MIL is concerned, can your dh speak to her? It's not really acceptable for her to shout and scream at you.

Might be a bit too late for that, given that it was a year ago and they're now happy to be house guests.

seoladair · 16/11/2013 17:04

We're moving house and have a gap of a few weeks in between houses. Dh tried to get me to move there but luckily he saw my point of view so we're staying in hotels, with friends and just occasional nights at mil to save money (last wed, this weekend, next wed then we should get keys.) I also agreed to come as it supposedly keeps the peace if we come here sometimes (oh the irony).

How do I deal with her? Maybe it's too glib to say she's a narcissist but she certainly has traits (dominant, controlling, sparkly and attractive in company...)
She's like a glass of champagne-bubbly and delightful in small measures, but I do get a headache after too much!

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ilovemulberry · 16/11/2013 17:05

I don't understand why op is being labelled as demanding and controlling?? She's teaching her child safety around dogs!

SharpLily · 16/11/2013 17:06

I would tell her that you're perfectly happy for her to handle her own shit her way, but as this is your child, not hers, you will handle things as you damn well please or you will leave.

seoladair · 16/11/2013 17:10

Re me being comfortable enough to spend weekend here, I'm not really, but am expected to come to visit and I think mil should spend time with her granddaughter.
And the saving money issuei my husvand's - I was happy to pay for short lets for the whole between-houses period but dh was keen we should be here for some nights.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 16/11/2013 17:13

Where is your DH whilst all this is going on?.

MIL will never accept any boundaries because she actually has no concept of this. Its her way or no way as far as she is concerned and she feels she has done nothing wrong. She has also I daresay never apologised to you ever for her previous outbursts (nor has accepted any responsibility for same).

Given her past behaviours towards you as well, why on earth are you spending any time with her at all now?. Blood is not thicker than water and I can certainly see why your DHs sister is estranged from her. I would certainly not spend next Wednesday evening with her, you'd be better off paying for a night in a hotel instead.

If she is a narcissist it is not possible to have any sort of relationship with such a person.

seoladair · 16/11/2013 17:16

Ps sorry for weird typ0s-am on phone.

Vivacia sorry I can't post more of situation on this phone keypad, but when I posted more extensively last summer people were wonderfully helpful and sympathetic. Pleae be kind as this isn't aibu and I really need some hand-holding. Sorry if that sounds weak. Btw my husband is being supportive.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 16/11/2013 17:16

"I think mil should spend time with her granddaughter".

Why do you think this now given that your MIL has already been careless with your DD necessitating a visit to A & E and she also shouting at her scaring her?. You were also shaking in her presence that particular occasion. Where is your own line in the sand here?.

If this is being done primarily out of or because of societal convention I would urge you to think again. If she is too toxic or difficult for you to deal with then she is too difficult for your vulnerable and defenceless child to be around.

Vivacia · 16/11/2013 17:19

You've not really described anything bad here, apart from one incident last year. I think if you're comfortable to stay with her (even if it is a mix of duty and to save yourself a bit of money) it just sounds like usual family differences.

Vivacia · 16/11/2013 17:22

Sorry, cross-posted with this Please be kind as this isn't aibu and I really need some hand-holding. I can see how your circumstances would be incredibly tiring. I personally wouldn't ask for a favour from my in-laws as you have for much the same reason that we all get along better in small doses.

Btw my husband is being supportive. My partner shows his support by prioritising me and our children over his parents' whims. What did your husband say to your mother to sort out the incident last year?

seoladair · 16/11/2013 17:28

Last year he was a bit too shellshocked to react but today he asked her to listen to me and fit in with our way of raising our child. She didn't hear any of it as she just kept talking over him. I asked her to stop interrupting him but it did no good.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 16/11/2013 17:29

I have read your previous threads and they are clearly go above and beyond the usual sort of familial disagreements that play out. You are dealing with someone who does not and will not play by the "normal" rules governing familial relations because she is at heart emotionally unhealthy and dysfunctional. It is NOT your fault she is like this, that blame lies with her own parents. It could be that your mother in law has some form of personality disorder or anxiety disorder, I would bear that in mind.

I am not at all surprised that your DHs siblings are estranged from their mother; she has made that happen by her actions. It is hard I daresay for your DH as he is now probably the last one left who actually bothers with her. He is in FOG (fear, obligation, guilt) with regards to his mother due to a lifetime of conditioning on her part. He may never want to realise that his nice mother to him is actually anything but.

Narcissists have no concept of boundaries and do not care who they hurt in the process.

Vivacia · 16/11/2013 17:31

My way of dealing with this would be to not accept favours from her and to leave contact to my partner. I just couldn't be doing with this. I can see you've chosen another route, so I'm not too sure how you should deal with it.

It all seems a bit of a muddle, an incident from a year ago not dealt with (as in, there's no repercussions for her) and a fairly innocuous thing said today.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 16/11/2013 17:32

"Last year he was a bit too shellshocked to react but today he asked her to listen to me and fit in with our way of raising our child. She didn't hear any of it as she just kept talking over him. I asked her to stop interrupting him but it did no good"

Can your family unit stay somewhere else tonight, this is clearly not working. BTW she will still not apologise nor take any responsibility for his actions.

Well he has made a bit of progress since last time but he still has a long way to go. FOG is a truly damaging legacy of such people.

You certainly cannot stay there later on this week.

seoladair · 16/11/2013 17:57

Actually I have taken a middle path. I see her as little as possible, about every 2 months usually.
Dh has improved. He says she is like that to everyone and that it doesn't affect him as he has had a lifetime of it so he just switches off.
I think we have to be here tonight but I am trying to make other plans for tomorrow.

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Vivacia · 16/11/2013 18:00

I think that's a good plan.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 16/11/2013 19:02

"He says she is like that to everyone and that it doesn't affect him as he has had a lifetime of it so he just switches off"

You do not have such a luxury however. If he won't act then you have to do so.

He doing that as well puts you and your child more in her firing line.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 16/11/2013 19:15

This is for your DH seoladair,

When you’re with your mother, or just having thoughts or a discussion about her, and you find yourself angry, resentful, sad, withdrawn, irritable, silent, withholding, stubborn, argumentative, or just numb, you are what many of us guys in the men’s biz would call “not in your power.” You know when you’re not in your power. You can feel it. You just might not have ever labeled it. You’re not in your power when you feel weak, stuck, paralyzed, victimized, and in the problem. And you feel weak when these negative feelings take hold.

How did this happen? Well, you had help. When you were young, you learned how a man behaves with, responds to, and deals with women. Your greatest teacher, for better or worse, was probably dad.

Whatever your circumstances, a young boy learns from his parents (or other adults) how to thrive or survive in relationships. Depending on the level of dysfunction in your family of origin, you may have had to develop some very interesting coping skills.

For example, if dad was a coward, and mom grew to be (in your eyes) an angry, controlling “bitch”, you know very well how to “please” mommy so as to avoid her wrath. Or, dad may have left (divorced, died, abandoned, abused, etc.) the family when you were young, and mom bestowed upon you her resentment toward men.

What happens for these unfortunate boys is that they grow up to be self-hating men. These men unconsciously do not trust other men or themselves. For these guys, being who they are—men—is shameful. As a result, they relinquish all power to the women in their lives, without even being asked. This offering up of men’s power is one of the main contributors to women feeling unsafe, insecure, and, ultimately, resentful and angry.

To relinquish power is to be other than the man you want to be in a given situation. You don’t speak up. You avoid conflict in the face of intolerable circumstances. You lie to appease. You lie to yourself, attempting to believe that you are not disappointed or even disgusted with your own behaviour.

Back to mum.

Your primary concern is pleasing your mother, even now you seek her approval (approval that she will never give you btw). Its killing you slowly along with your relationship with your wife.

If your mother wants to have a relationship with you both she will have to conform.

Chottie · 17/11/2013 05:17

I would not spend one minute with with your MIL. Your daughter has been to A&E (!!!) life is just too short....

seoladair · 17/11/2013 12:20

Actually Atilla, your comment about mil's childhood was spot on. Her background was one of upper-middle class dysfunction. Her mother beat her, her father was an alcoholic, she felt her brother was the favourite child (apparently he committed suicide). Very dark stuff. She was also sent to boarding school at a very young age.

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seoladair · 18/11/2013 10:29

Yesterday I stood up to her. I said "please stop interfering and leave me be." And she did. She became pleasant and it was as if nothing had happened. Maybe it's an example of how if you stand up to a bully they back off.

I didn't feel good about standing up to her and being assertive. I felt guilty but at least dh was supportive. So maybe in future I should pull her up every time she tries to dominate and criticise me.

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