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What are your thoughts on this situation? I am so confused. Looooooooong!!

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NKe46007aX11c7a5685f2 · 30/10/2013 10:10

I have no idea what is going on, so I am asking you for your thoughts. Sometimes it is easier when you are on the outside of a situation, right?

Not sure where to start, and don't want this to be too long, so bear with me?

DS and I always had a good relationship, despite my mother undermining my parenting constantly.
I brought him up as a single parent. When he was in his teens, I met someone, and straightaway, my mother vowed to do all she could to split my partner and me up, she criticised everything my partner did, and everything he didn't do.
Despite this, my partner and I continued seeing each other.

After a few weeks, my mother got together with my sister and phoned DS's school without telling me, and made some serious completely unfounded allegations about my partner, which almost had DS removed from my care.

From their perspective, they said they honestly thought they were protecting DS and could see through a crystal ball that DP was no good for me. Mother told me that she was in full support of my sister reporting their concerns as if they were fact when indeed they weren't because she truly believed DS would be sent to live with her, something she has always appeared to want but has never admitted, so maybe not, just one of my many confusions as to whether she is actually telling the truth or not.
Anyhow, luckily the school made an evaluation and against all protocol made the decision not to contact CP, and sent DS home after school as usual.

Since then, things were very strained between myself, mother and sister.

From that point onwards, DS discovered that he could play me and my mother off against each other. If I set a punishment, DS would wait until he was alone in the house, ring my mother and mother would drive over while I was out, pick DS up and take him back to her house for a few days.
I repeatedly asked mother not to do this, until I was blue in the face, but she said she couldn't bear to see DS upset, and was giving me a break. Hmm
I told her I didn't need a bloody break, I needed her to stay out of it, but she said she couldn't sit by and do nothing when DS rang her needing her help FFS.

I had to work and couldn't physically force DS to accompany me everywhere when I wasn't at work, so this pattern continued, despite my protests.

I was getting more and more frustrated and annoyed with the complete lack of support from my mother, who incidentally thought she was being a great GM by supporting her GS, and it did get to the point where although I tried not to, I was walking on eggshells to some extent around DS because of course the slightest upset, and off he'd go again.

Things came to a head when DS was 16, (old enough to leave home).
I had had enough of this complete lack of respect from DS AND my mother for me, and I honestly believed DS would not enjoy living with mother full time, I had lived with her myself.
So I made it clear to DS, since mother just wasn't taking any notice of anything I asked wrt this situation, that the next time he asked mother to pick him up so he could disappear for a few days, he could stay at hers, and it was not on for him to keep ping ponging back and forth as and when it suited him to avoid doing anything he didn't like.
I told him he could visit as much as he liked, but I was not prepared to be manipulated like this any longer and if he disappeared without asking again, I would take it that he had made the choice to live with my mother full time.
He went. Sad

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NKe46007aX11c7a5685f2 · 30/10/2013 12:15

I hear you FunkyFucker.

I wonder though why would a mother and sister do that? Do they know how awful my life is? I know they blame me for everything that goes wrong. When I was bullied at school, mother would constantly ask me what had I done to make the bullies bully me?. I don't have the answers for that.
If they don't believe they have caused me pain and suffering, how can I berate them for something they don't realise they have done.

I do not have the courage to blatantly tell them how much they have destroyed me, because I think they may laugh at me, as they have done in the past, but more likely, they will blame me for taking things the wrong way, for being so selfish as to not see all the times they have tried to help me.

I'm not sure my son will ever realise what has happened. He is only hearing one side of things isn't he? He doesn't hear from me.

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Dahlen · 30/10/2013 12:17

You have assumed the role of "the problem". Without a violent male around to pin all responsibility on - now that your X has been seen off and your mum is fee - someone needs to be the person fought against and that's the role you've been cast in. Your mum's self-image as heroine fighting to do the right thing by the GC is cast in stone. You are the only person left she can rail against.

I guarantee that once you are out of the picture (as seems to be happening), the role of "villain" will be transferred on to your DS as he becomes increasingly out of control as a result of them constantly raising the pedestal he is on. Although your sister may end up being cut out before then.

I'm sorry, but based on your last post, I really don't think there is anything you can do other than refuse to engage and simply keep repeating to your DS that you are there for him when he is ready to see the real picture and turn his life around.

I'm sorry. None of this is your fault. Sad

ajandjjmum · 30/10/2013 12:21

I don't know what to say that will help - other than reiterate that your mother is truly evil.

You sound like you have been really sensible, but perhaps too nice.

NKe46007aX11c7a5685f2 · 30/10/2013 12:23

Your post makes a lot of sense Dahlen. However, mother has never pinned responsibility on her violent XH's. In fact, while they were beating us up, she would tell us we mustn't piss them off, we must have pissed them off for them to hit us. Same kind of thing she told me when DS assaulted me.

Not sure she would ever cut sister off, mother appears intimidated by sister, it's almost like sister is in the mother role, and mother is the small child who needs looking after in their relationship. My sister OTOH has threatened to cut my mother off numerous times, yet has not done so yet.

I am the black sheep of the family, and it has been that way for as long as I can remember. AFA my mother is concerned, although she was disappointed when I became pg with DS, he is the best thing I have ever done. She does not respect me or like me, and neither does my sister, yet I truly have tried so hard to be what they want me to be.

Hell, I have wasted the best years of my life worrying about how to please them. Sad

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NKe46007aX11c7a5685f2 · 30/10/2013 12:26

ajandjjmum I probably have been too nice, yes. You see, if someone is awful to me, my knee jerk reaction is to assume I must have pissed them off, or upset them, and it is actually my problem that they are horrible.

I am sure my mother, sister and DS would have a completely different story if they were on here.

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FunkyFucker · 30/10/2013 12:26

Yes, stop pleasing them for a start! Do you really need all this in your life?

NKe46007aX11c7a5685f2 · 30/10/2013 12:28

I need a conscience free clear head, and I don't have one. Sad

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haveyourselfashandy · 30/10/2013 12:33

Hi NK,I think you should step away from ALL OF THEM.That includes your son.Concentrate on the happiness of you and your youngest dc.These people are bringing nothing except negativity to your life.Your son will not stop to think about his own behavior until you withdraw I would leave him be for a while.I know this is all very easy for me to say but I cannot see you having any chance of a happy life until you have cut them off.

ajandjjmum · 30/10/2013 12:34

You really don't want to be what she wants you to be.

Why don't you see your GP and ask for some counselling?

NKe46007aX11c7a5685f2 · 30/10/2013 12:38

My only other wish is that I felt normal, ok, not anxious about going out of my door and inflicting myself on society, I really feel that fucking bad about myself. I wish I had some friends, because right now, I have no one. Sad

I am going to take my DC to the park now. I have been steeling myself all day to walk over to the park, and then I am going to go to Tesco quickly to buy some cake stuff to make some cakes.

I am taking small steps. I think I can manage that.

I wish I had supportive friends, but hey, who wants to be friends with someone like me. Sad

I will return to this thread later.

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NKe46007aX11c7a5685f2 · 30/10/2013 12:40

ajandjjmum I have an appointment to see the Dr on Monday. I am going so I can arrange some counselling. I wish so much that I could afford private counselling, but I am a lone parent and earn peanuts. It is as much as I can do to feed us every week.

I am definitely going to ask for counselling though. I know I will only get 6 sessions on the NHS, and I know I need much much more than that, but I will have to keep asking until I have sorted my head out.

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pictish · 30/10/2013 12:41

Your mother is a very damaged, and damaging woman.
She has twisted values (probably passed on from her own upbringing) and she uses control, manipulation, deviousness and bullying to make sure that you all live by those values.
She is a very messed up and malevolent presence in your life, and it is high time that you cut contact with her.

I am so very sorry for you OP. Your mum has annihilated you, your son, and most likely your sister as well.

D=Save yourself and your younger dc from her madness. Cut her out.

Thumbfuckerwitch · 30/10/2013 12:41

First off you need to stop taking responsibility for everything that goes wrong. I realise you have been fully conditioned to do so, but really, you need to stop that.

Second, I agree that your mother and sister have carried out sustained mental abuse of you and have roped your DS into joining in/carrying on with it. They are truly toxic (Sorry, I know some people think this term is overused on here but honestly! They are!) and have managed to poison him too. Currently there is nothing you can do and it may be that there is nothing that can be done - unless your DS breaks free from their influence and tries to build bridges with you again. However - this doesn't seem likely because where he is, he gets to behave in whatever fashion he pleases, without consequence. As I said before, this will ruin him if it hasn't already and I am very sad for you because of that.

But. You can't help him just now and awful as it sounds, you have to stop trying. YOu are making yourself ill by the sound of it, and your younger DC need you. You need to focus on them and yourself please - resume no contact with the toxic ones, they bring nothing positive nor beneficial to you and will also taint your little ones, which I'm sure you don't want.

You need help with this. Counselling if you can afford it, possibly even the Freedom programme, because you need to realise that you ARE worth something and that your sister and mother are NOT the arbiters of your worth. What would they know?! They're like poisonous insects - they only seek to hurt and destroy! Why are you giving their thoughts any airspace?

So, please take steps to "find yourself" and lift yourself out of your current state of being, so that your young DC can have the best of you and you can start living life without worrying about what the Toxics are up to.

And have a big (((((hug))))) because I think you need one.

JustThisOnceOrTwiceOrThrice · 30/10/2013 12:45

You think maybe your mother was only doing her best? Really?

You can not be that blind. Its not possible.

You have described fucked up emotionally manipulative behaviour from your mother towards your son for most of his life. You saw over and over how she was lying and fucking with his head. But you never cut her off, saw her regularly and let her mess up your son and your relationship with him. And now you wonder why its ended like this?!

Really? Oh come on! Angry

Im sorry to be so harsh because i realise that she has manipulated you as well and you are also a victim in this. But we all have a duty to protect our children from emotional abuse. Sad

Dahlen · 30/10/2013 12:48

NK I don't want you to feel disempowered by being called a victim, but you are one. It's nothing to be ashamed of. You've had a dreadful, abusive upbringing and it's still going on now. If your family are a lost cause, you don't have to be. Why not go to your GP and see if you can get some counselling. What have you got to lose?

Like so many people who have been in similar situations to yours, your writing displays an intelligence and sense of responsibility that is really quite remarkable. It is borne of years of trying to see patterns in other people's behaviour so that you can try to keep yourself safe. It's heartbreaking. But on the plus side, channelling those analytical skills and that willingness to assume responsibility are great tools when it comes to using counselling to recover.

I'm sure lots of people would like to be your friend. I imagine you are very loyal and can be counted on in times of need. I am sure that what holds you back from developing friendships is a self-sabotaging voice telling you no one would be interested, which stops you opening up and trying.

Keep going. Flowers

FunkyFucker · 30/10/2013 12:50

I wish I had supportive friends, but hey, who wants to be friends with someone like me

Sweetie; I suspect your mother has reinforced this SOLELY so that you don't have friends that will tell you the truth. That your mother is a manipulative bully. And I dread to think what has been going on with your son that you don't know about.

NKe46007aX11c7a5685f2 · 30/10/2013 12:51

There is no doubt in my mind JustThis that I have been an awful parent.
With hindsight, I should not have had children. I think it was an entirely selfish decision on my part.

My mother appears to have doted on DS his whole life, siding with him over my authority, his childhood was one where he was doted on by my mother, he was given almost everything he wanted, she didn't fuck with his head, she just disrespected me and strived to be DS's everything.

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pictish · 30/10/2013 13:00

I agree with the previous poster. Your mother has consistently and deliberately kept her foot on top of your head, to prevent you breaking the water and getting out.
Her method has been to drum it into you that you are nothing, while she is all.
She fucking stole your son and turned him into a drone!! She is EVIL.

You CAN make friends. Yes, you can! You can be all the things she has spent your life telling you that you are not.
Without this your mother's influence, you will flourish. Start with some counselling if you can.

VisualiseAHorse · 30/10/2013 13:01

Keep going. By visiting the GP nada do getting counselling, you are really showing that you want things to change and improve.

In all honesty, I would cut them all out of your life. I know that he is your son, but I would not let him move back in, your mother is using him like a weapon almost. By letting him move back in (ever), you will be setting yourself up for yet another fall.
Do not take any contact from them. Do not answer the door if they knock, do not answer the phone if they call. You have a younger child who depends on you. They are all adults who do not need you, like your youngest does. Cut them out and focus on your youngest.

pictish · 30/10/2013 13:04

She most certainly did fuck with his head. She laid a trap. She manipulated a young boy into joining her in her disrespect of you, with ease. She used him to show you who was boss.

JustThisOnceOrTwiceOrThrice · 30/10/2013 13:05

She did fuck with his head. Getting in between him and you, doing everything for him and making him hers was doing just that.

Sorry that my previous post was so harsh!

You weren't a bad mum, you just needed her not in your lives.

pictish · 30/10/2013 13:05

I agree with visualise.
Enough is most certainly enough.

pictish · 30/10/2013 13:17

This the saddest post I have read on here in a long time.
I really wish that I could be there with you OP, so I could reassure you in person that it is not you! It is your mother. She is deeply emotionally abusive. You have never known anything else, so I know this is your normality. It is no wonder you are so confused.

It is not you. This has been done to you. This has been done to all of you.

JustThisOnceOrTwiceOrThrice · 30/10/2013 13:30

I remember reading your story quite a while ago op. It made me so angry on your behalf and so sad for you. Its one of those ones that always pops into my head.

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