does it ever work if one partner is pro vaccination and the othervis anti vaccination?

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Just wondering if this issue is a bone of contention or has split anyone up? Ive met a lovely man who wants kids and so do I but for some reason we got talking about vaccinations. He Iis very anti vaccination and hasnt got his kids done whereas im very pro vaccination. For some reason I know this is a big issue for me. Am I being daft? I guesd I just get people who fall for conspiracy theoriescand scaremongering. There are many other qualities about him I do get and admire though. Very early stages so do I carry on?

Blanket anti vaccination- =too stupid to understand what's going on around him and therefore why would you want to have children with him- or even be friends with him.

Anti vaccination for a particular child in a very particular set of circumstances- a completely different matter.

Which is is?

I think myself that if you go ahead with this guy, one of you will have to bend on this issue because it's an either/or issue.

However, like others on the thread I would be distinctly concerned about what else he's inflexible on - and when he is prepared to bend, and when he isn't. If there are a lot of odd quirks like this in his world-view, you could be in for a very difficult and possibly short marriage. ( and in fairness, to put it the other way, if you have lots of odd quirks in your make-up, he could be in for a very difficult and possible short marriage :D ... though Im on your side here, the pro-vaccination side. Having said that, vacc rates are rising I believe, so the herd immunity should be improving ).

How you negotiate this, which one of your bends and how the future looks could be revealing for the future. I'd observe carefully.

How was Small Pox eradicated? What was used?

Vaccine

DH is anti-vax, I just went and got them done anyway I am afraid, only need one signature for consent.

'Starlight, I know this isn't your own argument, but the one you are presenting is utterly heartless. Seriously, we should let people suffer and die as this might ultimately lead to a natural immunity developing?'

It is no more or less heartless than allowing people to become damaged, disabled or dead from vaccinations.

The argument as I understand it, is if the viruses were freely in the population then the risk of complications from them would be extremely rare. More or less rare than the risks of complications from the vaccine, have no idea and it isn't something I have investigated, nor is it likely there would be irrefutable evidence either way.

Plague still alive and well and living in Central Africa by the way. It's now treatable, and we wouldn't get it back in Europe because of pest control, but it certainly hasn't gone away. They have regular epidemics.

Do you know why he is anti-vaccination? Perhaps one of his family members is vaccine damaged. People tend to form their opinions on past experiences whether pro or anti.

But it didn't leave the UK due to vaccination.

Okay starlight I have to say that that is just ridiculous now. We don't need an argument about what would happen if viruses were free in the population as we know for a fact what happens as this is what the world was like before vaccines and people didn't get mlld effects. You have to just pretend the whole of history has not happened to make that frankly silly argument.
And as for the comment about death and disability from vaccines, dearie me! Vaccines are extremely safe and certainly incomparably safe compared to the viruses they protect against.

'And as for the comment about death and disability from vaccines, dearie me! Vaccines are extremely safe and certainly incomparably safe compared to the viruses they protect against.'

Not for the people who have developed life-long disabilities from them, neurological conditions or been killed.

I'm quite suspicious of vaccinations. But DH left it up to me which ones they had. I don't think it's something that couldn't be got over.

"By 1800, Jenner's work had been published in all of the major European languages. The process was performed all over Europe and the United States. The death rate was close to zero with the process, which became known as vaccination (from the Latin vacca for cow), and was continued to around 1974 in the UK. Due to the development of the smallpox vaccine, the disease was officially eradicated in 1979."

From Wikipedia

'Either he's uninformed, or I would think it a red flag for mental health issues.'

Oh I've heard it all now. People who dare to take issue with the ever changing vaccination schedule we have in this country have mental health issues?? How ignorant and bigoted can an opinion be?

Hi, I live in the third world, so send him off to me.

I can show him all the polio beggars at the street junctions. He should talk to them for a bit, how but for a few bitter drops on their tongues from a clinic, they would have jobs, wives and children instead of living marginalised on the edge of society. He could marvel at the ingenuity which which they get around!
Then, we can go off to the tuberculosis wards, a disease which came very close to being eradicated in my country, but sadly now with AIDS is rapidly becoming resistant to drugs (and imported into the UK BTW). I am sure there will be a couple there who would conveniently die as he watches. If that doesn't impress him enough, we could go back to the streets so he can see the hunchback beggars whose spines have been twisted by TB.

The best baby to watch with whooping cough, is a white baby. See, they go blue as they are gasping for breath. (Whooping cough is horrendous).

'Being anti-vaccination' is about the most spoiled self-indulgent Western middle class attitude I can think of. (What I am describing is what I see every day, except the TB deaths which I just hear about, it really isn't being sensationalist). It really does make my blood boil. You don't have these deformities in England, why? Because of the vaccination programme.

A little dose of REALITY of what these diseases really do to people, is what is required.

No - plague left due to public health improvements, but there was a known vector - rats. You will never get that sort of effect for diseases such as measles and whooping cough.

what Wellwobbly said.

Wellwobbly

Wellwobbly - if you had a vaccine damaged relative or child perhaps you might be able to understand the other side of the issue instead of being so insulting? It is a ridiculous myth that people who question vaccines are just spoiled and middle class. Everyone understand how dangerous some diseases are. That does not mean that vaccines are risk free though.

Well if cowpox saved us all from small pox, what could small pox have saved us from had it not been eradicated?

It's a silly thing to claim that vaccination costs lives?

murmurs I think wellwobbly just won the vaccination argument.

Time to go back to school/university and learn a little science perhaps?