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I am at my wits end with SIL

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WayHarshTai · 25/08/2013 09:48

I just do not know how to deal with this.

I have known her for seven years, and our relationship has been very odd. She's behaved really nastily to me at times, but always subtle or seemingly innocuous enough that I've never felt able to call her on it.

Some examples. When we moved from a flat to a house we invited them for Christmas, she made a huge deal in the run up of how she may not be able to come with her then 6mo DS as it would break his routine. On the day BIL (DH;s brother) came with their DS and she stayed at home. BIL later told DH that it was because she was jealous of our house (they still lived in a flat and later bought a house twice the size of ours).

I had a 30th birthday party with a vague James Bond theme, cocktails and stuff. She is usually very well groomed, full makeup every day kind of thing. She came to my party in a tracksuit with unwashed hair and wearing a hat. Completely different to how she usually dresses, amd totally at odds with the type of party (I was not remotely partyzilla about it by the way and have never mentioned it)

Then there was all the oddness around our wedding. And i've just found out that the reason BIL (her DH) didn't do a Best Man speech despite weeks of him planning it, asking us for anecdotes and getting book on speeches out of the library was because she told him on the day that DH had asked him not to do one. So he literally thanked the bridesmaids, SIL shouted across the room that he'd forgotten one (he hadn't) and that was his speech.

There is more, but it's all very petty and made me feel like I was going mad for years as she was always so pleasant to my face.

Anyway, these days we get on really well, although we've never really spoken about all this. But she;s gone into massive overdrive with the friendship and it's exhausting and embarrassing.

I enjoy spending time with her but I've had to cut it right back (I was seeingher once a week) because every single time I see her she buys stuff for me and the DC.

Last week I met her in town and she had bought and outfit for each of my three children. She then took DS2 off while I was in a shop and came back with a book each, marked at £5 each but she made a big deal of saying they weren't the marked price. She then went into Next and bought me a top.

She is a SAHM, and I know their finances are not up to this. We earn twice their wage and have a smaller mortgage, for example.

I have TRIED saying no thankyou, but she gets really quite forceful, and gets quite upset.

We had a party yesterday at home and she spent the entire time cleaning and clearing and washing up, despite my DH being quite assertive about it. She was drunk and ended up smashing two glasses in her cleaning frenzy.

She comes round and does things like weeds the garden, or goes upstairs to see the kids and tidies their rooms.

I feel really suffocated by her, and although I'm glad our relationship is friendly now, I can't deal with it.

I have literally no idea how to handle this. I don't want her to go back to hating me because that was awful, but this level of 'help' is exhausting me.

I've asked DH to talk to his brother but they aren't the most involved of families and he doens't want to interfere Hmm.

Sorry it's such an essay but I really am at my wits end.

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WayHarshTai · 25/08/2013 10:57

Spotty that is so sad. I'm so gald you're out of it.

They always spend Christmas Day with her parents because her Mum threatens suicide if they don't. And her Mum has their DS overnight once a week.

She thinks PILs are awful because they won't have him overnight.

The broken mug thing resonates. She was stressing out yesterday because her neighbour has gone into hospital to be induced and she doens't want to buy a gift until she hears news, and she hasn't heard yet and it's a bank holiday now. And on and on and on.

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Spottypurse · 25/08/2013 10:59

I left him. Never have to see them and guess what?

I have no Denby. My house is a mess. (Really really there was a sleepover with 6 in total here last night). And I buy outfits for weddings without tears.

WayHarshTai · 25/08/2013 11:00

I think i:m just going to have to detach.

I can't help her and I can't sustain this friendship because she;s draining me.

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WayHarshTai · 25/08/2013 11:02

I don't know if she'll ever be any different, DH has known her for fifteen years and she's always been the same.

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EasyMark · 25/08/2013 11:17

Sounds like she has MH problems to me.

Just reduce contact and ignore most of what she does. She needs help and to be around "normal" people to learn how to socialise correctly, so lead by example.

maybe say "You dont have to buy my company, we are family". Big her up but on things you value about her.

The cleaning could be OCD so dont take it personaly. Thank her and smile.

Charlottehere · 25/08/2013 11:19

I feel sorry for her but she must be totally draining.

BOF · 25/08/2013 11:21

She's clearly a little bit cracked. Just be kind and leave her be.

Spottypurse · 25/08/2013 11:31

See, WayHarshTai, your DH Could have said that about me. Well, 10 years not 15. But he could have.

Out of the toxic situation and I'm not like that. DP says I one of the most easy going people he knows which makes me Grin and Shock and he can't imagine what I was like back then.

Floggingmolly · 25/08/2013 13:29

Did she want more children, op? Could it be that she's been trying for ages and now the onset of the menopause has tipped her over the edge?

WayHarshTai · 25/08/2013 14:03

Well, I know they weren't trying because she has a mirena coil (I know this because it was another 'reason' for her to be a bit bonkers), although about a year ago she mentioned maybe wanting another but being too old, and now she's perimenopausal (which I've just twigged she thinks means early onset menopause because the doctor said 'early menopause'...) which is all she talks about.

So I don't know. But I have to say that her craziness hasn't changed much over the years except for she used to be horrible to me and now she's gone totally opposite.

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garlicagain · 25/08/2013 14:48

I used to be quite like this. I thought I was 'worth less' than almost everybody else, so was always either trying to be 'worthwhile', or to convince myself nobody was better than me. This thread's only just made me realise how wearing I must have been to some!

I've also remembered a few lovely folks, who would insist - really warmly - "Oh, I don't want your gifts/money/help, just your company! Come and sit here!" :) I think some of my friends 'managed' me, too, by asking me to buy stuff on the way over, or make coffee for everyone, so that I could feel I'd earned the right to join in.

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WayHarshTai · 25/08/2013 15:52

To the best of my knowledge they have a happy marriage, they've been married for about ten years and he's a good guy (bit grumpier than my DH but tbh that's not hard, and they do argue).

BIL manages her and is usually really really loyal, but occasionally has broken down and asked us for help. PILs staged a bit of an intervention a couple of years ago because of her awful behaviour with her DS, they witnessed her really losing her shit with him over something really minor (and he was only a toddler), so they callled BIL for a meeting about her. This backfired horribly and they were accused of being overinvolved.

Her parents are not the kind of people I coudl approach, and I'm sure they woudln't be helpful. Five minutes in their company (well, her mum's) and you can see where SIL gets her behaviours from.

I want DH to speak to his brother, he's going to talk to him about the gifts, mainly because she often says 'don't tell Uncle I bought you this' to the kids, which has to stop.

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TheSecondComing · 25/08/2013 16:00

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Spottypurse · 25/08/2013 16:03

Nobody could have helped me. My friend tried. I just got pissed off with her. I had to get there in my own steam.

Spottypurse · 25/08/2013 16:04

OMG a meeting about her? Behind her back? Without her there?

I'd be so hurt and betrayed by that I doubt I'd ever see them again.

WayHarshTai · 25/08/2013 16:10

I think you're right.

Her DS is fine, he's at school, he's a happy little guy. He is a slightly odd child, but then he would be because of all the anxiety and fussing. She did used to rush him to hospital for all sorts and he had some bowel issues but that's all fine now and the only thing that concerns me with him now is how over-parenty they are with him, they tend to treat him like a much younger child.

But then, that's just different parenting styles.

Spotty, they just asked him to come round so they could tell him what they had witnessed and how worried they were. She was screaming at her toddler DS that she was going to kill herself, over something like him not putting his shoes on. PILs were there, and tried to talk directly to her and calm her down, MIL said, fgs you can't scream at him and threaten suicide, that's awful. SIL just went off on one to her.

So they felt unable to get through to her, hence going to their son. He was furious with them though and has told them not to get involved again.

She's a lot better in that respect now though, I think.

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garlicagain · 25/08/2013 16:21

She screamed at her toddler that she was going to kill herself? Dear lord, that child must feel a terrible responsibility :( Nice case of OCD lined up for the future, or worse.

I bet SIL's got an eating disorder, OP, and/or an addiction. But, if BIL's not being part of the solution, he may well be part of the problem. Not much you can do until she cracks ... Sad.

Spottypurse · 25/08/2013 16:28

I think there are a lot of deep seated issues and much more to this than you know. She sounds desperately unhappy. And I think BIL and PIL and her own family are all part of the problem.

She may never get out and she may be stuck in the horrible cycle for ever. Sad and it will affect her DS Sad

JaceyBee · 25/08/2013 16:35

She really, really needs to get into therapy. Could you sit down with her and gently explain how worried you are, about her not her ds so she doesn't just see it as interfering and attacking?

Spottypurse · 25/08/2013 16:36

You can't force her into therapy or counselling. And no matter how gently you explain how worried you are she'll see it as interfering and attacking.

(not trying to be harsh, just realistic)

Spottypurse · 25/08/2013 16:37

I'll bet a tenner right here and now that BIL is part of the problem. You have no idea what goes on behind closed doors and I'll guarantee he's part of the problem.

WayHarshTai · 25/08/2013 16:48

I don't know about BIL being the problem.

She does say some awful things, like that he's told her she's disgustingly fat and needs to exercise, for example, but DH is adamant that she's invented that (she does tend to make shit up).

But I think she has always always been like this. Her first husband left her for her best friend and then she had a brief relationship with a man who turned out to be gay, and on whom she spent tens of thousands (her divirce settlement). Then she met BIL and they seemed to plod along ok until they had a baby, he managed her anxiety and oddness and she had a job and it was all good. She was made redundant shortly after mat leave and has never looked for another job, her whole life is cleaning and shopping and I think that's why she is so bad at the moment, she has nothing to put her energies into.

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Spottypurse · 25/08/2013 16:51

You can't fix her - she has to want to fix herself.

I am so sorry for her and you and BIL and her DS and uncle tom cobley and all involved - but you can't fix her.

WayHarshTai · 25/08/2013 17:04
Thanks
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