do pelvic floor exercises REALLY tighten up a slack fanjo?

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3 kids and a slack fanjo. youngest over ten .
can exercises really tighten the old fanjo to any extent?
can surgery help?

SirRaymond, I was referred to a physio due to stress incontinence. Went along, had pf muscles assessed and was sent away for a month to do exercises. Everything tightened up but it had no effect on the stress incontinence at all. My physio said prolapses and 'fallen bladders', which is what I have, are nothing to do with the muscles in the pelvic floor area, but the tendons that hold everything in place. Mine were stretches during pregnancy and the only thing that will help is surgery.

You are only supposed to clench the fanjo muscles, no buttocks, no stomach, and no holding your breath. I cannot stop myself from pulling a face, however!

Notmore will you have to have surgery now? I'm confused if the PFE don't help with prolapses why did the physio tell you to do them?

Body Clock SensaTone Compact Digital Pelvic Floor Stimulator/Post Natal Incontinence Relief

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I've got one of these, haven't used it much yet as I'm now preg, but it does help with finding the right muscles which I think is where a lot of women struggle.

They have to explore all possibilities. If I am referred for surgery (I haven't decided yet) the consultants will want to know that I have tried all other methods of fixing the stress incontinence first. I don't have an obvious prolapse, it was only when the physio had her digits 'downstairs' and asked me to cough that it was discovered.

Okay- here goes. I had one and had the op to fix it.
You can do a certain amount with PFE but if things have gone too far and you are having issues with bowels or bladder then the op might be what you need.
It's not a 'vanity' operation though and you need 6 weeks recovery after just like a hysterectomy.

Google Michelle Kenway and pelvic floors- Oz physio and her site tells you which exercises to do- some Pilates and yoga etc are bad for pelvic floors- you need to be careful.

Notmore I suppose that makes sense. The lady opposite me had surgery for that (a mesh?) and if it helps she was up and about the next day although obviously had to take it very easy.

There is a free app called Kegal Kat which is quite fun

Was that to hold the bladder in place? Sounds much better recovery wise than I thought.

I agree with not- you have to try everything first. I had electrical stimulation exercises via a physio and then months of PFE. But the ligaments had stretched I was told and when they do the op they shorten these to hitch all up. I had a slight bladder and uterine prolapse. There are many different ways of fixing this- mesh or TVT is just one way and fine if your uterus is not dropping down. But mesh on it's own won't tighten you up- they have to actually cut away slack tissue in the vagina and tighten it up.

Mesh is used to lift the urethra higher so that the opening doesn't hang below the bladder- which is what can cause leaks. It's a day case or overnight. There are possible side effects such as rejection of the mesh and it being done too tightly or not tightly enough.

On the General Health topic here there was along running thread on prolapse etc.

Thanks Dfanjo. The phone alarm would take some explaining in the office though.

I've just done some while sitting here at my desk and I think my colleague is now wondering why I keep raising my eyebrows at him.

It's like my fanjo and eyebrows are joined by an invisible thread

Me too suffering from stress incontinence but am 69 and have had problems for about 10 years but it has got so much worse lately. I have seen a nurse from the "Continence Service" and have to fill in a chart showing how much I drink and how much I wee. She says she will refer me to a pf physiotherapist if pfe don't work. I have one of those gadgets from Amazon that some linked upthread. I use it every day but not sure it is doing much good. Have a very small prolapse.

If you aren't sure you are exercising the right muscles, put your middle finger into the orifice and if you feel a tightening around your finger, then you are doing them properly!

Just wanted to say (think it was the OP who said her fanjo was so slack even tampax fall out) that our urine doesn't come from the vagina (where we put the tampax) but from the urethra via a small orifice just behind the vagina. Sorry if this sounds obvious but I have discovered that so many women think we only have 2 orificies (vagina and anal) but we actually have 3!!

Very interested in some of the comments about surgery, as I suspect that's the route I will need to take, that's if the NHS is still doing these "non-essential" operations, given the fact that they are not doing many other kinds of minor ops because of lack of funding.

My surgeon for my hyst is a specialist in doing prolapse etc surgery. I was the only one on the ward with a hyst everyone else came in for mesh etc. They seemed to recover very quickly from the op (I mean that quite a few of them went home the same day and were up and walking about) so it was encouraging from my perspective that if I need this surgery in future I won't be quite so worried about it having seen how well these ladies did.

It depends if you mean TVT procedure for leakage or mesh for a more major prolapse.

TVT is a day procedure. Mesh which pulls everything up- not just the bladder neck- and pins it to the pubic bone etc is a more major op.
I had 5 days in hospital and a catheter for a weak as my bladder refused to work afterwards due to bruising etc.

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seems we are discussing 2 dif things

1. slack fanjo making sex less fun
2. knackered pelvic floor making trampolining off the menu and possibility of stray small pees

I suffer from1)

can pelvic floor exercises improve ?

Supposedly Op walking in heels helps (as does having your feet deformed due to foot binding )

For SI Tvt can help but can also go wrong. there is a new thing involving gel injection that sounds better.
I do physiology advised exercises every time so.thing is in the microwave and at traffic lights . Does help with both a bit.

Physio not physiology.

Yes they really do work.
After i had number 4 my fanjo took a proper battering. He was being really nice about it, but they was no mistaking it was trying to fuck a bath. Nothing pleasurable for either of us.
I was lax at first doing my exercises. Bascially when i could be bothered, not sure why, not exactly like they are hard, but. i truly had turned into sometihng very lazy. But started doing them daily, and noticing more movements. The real benefit for me came when after, sorry tmi, we had fucked and he was still in me, i tightened myself, which prior to number 4 used to send him wild, and he felt it, and of course so did i. Now i do them all the time.

On a lighter note, i remember a chat i was having with someone years ago about the exercises. I mentioned something about pelvic floor excerices, and she replied if i got down on the floor i would never get back up.. always wonderered if health professionals heard this or similar and changed the name.

ihearsounds, "trying to fuck a bath"
this and your username has kept me wide awake guffawing late into the night.
thank you

Quenelle - that made me laugh!

Right I am going to get some of those Aquaflex weights so I can have a pelvic floor tight enough to bounce a 50p coin off!
Who is with me?
(I mean buying and using the weights not bouncing the coin)

This has given me a reminder to clench. I'm also not sure if I am doing them right.

If you're not sure if you're doing them right, lie down and put your middle finger inside you (in the orifice just behind the vagina and you should feel your pelivic bone) and do the clench and if you can feel a tightening around your finger, you're doing them right.

Really glad I found this thread as I'm pretty sure no amount of pf exercise is going to cure me, and I do have a slight prolapse. Incidentally what is TVT?