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Really need some help

109 replies

Brokemyself · 06/08/2013 21:44

Hello, I'm pregnant with DC3 and after a long rough patch which seemed to be getting better we had a huge row and'D' P has just stormed out again. God knows where he has gone this time. Our relationship became a mess during my pregnancy with DC2 as he can't handle my pregnancy mood swings and shuts down when in fact I need support emotionally the most so any emotional withdrawal makes me feel even more alone than I already am. Apologies if this is rather incoherent as I'm crying my eyes out in frustration and hurt having been walked out on for the umpteenth time! I can't talk to anyone as we have become that nightmare couple that argue all the time in fact I've lost friends over our ups and downs but we are trying to stick it out as we I guess hope things will go back to some kind of normal relationship. We have both become by nasty and disrespectful in some instances and its hard to some back from that well it seems like its hard to come back from that in light of what is happening now. I can't forgive him for past indiscretions (no affairs, or so he says) but boundary breaking and line crossing. Walking out is his favourite hurtful trick and he has promised not to do but once again here we are.
I'm so upset and so uncertain about our family's future. Where the fuck has he gone this time damnit!

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Brokemyself · 09/08/2013 13:34

Can't talk in RL as everything looks just peachy from the outside. Don't think it's a police matter!
He refuses to speak to me about any of the issues happening and I'm completely in my own. He works and I stay at home on my own. I this is what happens but I never get the opportunity to do any of the things I used to. Lack of funds, massively depressed etc I feel like I have completely failed and my 'wonderful' family who are all far away love reminding me of this too. Well the two of them that have been made aware of what's happened in the past.

I know he is unhappy in this relationship but he keeps saying he wants to have a go at making it work but then does nothing to indicate he really deep down wants to try. He has stayed away in the past after storming out, it was a week the last time and he claimed he was miserable but I just don't think he was. It's easier for him to be at home for many reasons.

I cry at the drop of a hat well in the past two days and he just looks at me like I'm disgusting. We don't even sleep in the same room, he knows how much it upsets me when he ignores me and he uses it as a weapon.

Sigh, this sounds so futile doesn't it. Sad thing is if he started just being normal and supportive I probably would want to try.

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Brokemyself · 09/08/2013 13:38

Also the fact he is not so great with being upfront and honest doesn't help matter so I can't trust him. Various incidents which were does played over the last few years saw to that!

He entirely has his own agenda and refuses to help as a team. His priorities are still that of someone who is single bar giving the impression he is superdad. For example when we are with his family, he will run around like he does envy thing at home and tell me what I should be doing with DC2. I actually said to him the last time WTAF do you think you're doing, I'm the one at home day in day out and we are still all alive without having you to monitor what's been going on!

I am rambling now. Sorry.

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TheJiminyConjecture · 09/08/2013 14:42

At the risk of sounding mean, are you sure you're being honest with regards to what goes on? If what you say is true, losing friends, neighbours hearing you row etc Things are hardly going to look as you put it 'peachy' from the outside? I'm concerned that you may be minimising quite how bad it is as you can so easily blame it on pg rage.

Brokemyself · 09/08/2013 15:17

As far as everyone is concerned at the moment, I'm just getting on with looking after the children so don't have much time outside of that. Truth is I'm too exhausted to want to do anything outside of our home and with anyone I used to spend time with. Not sure the neighbours do hear us, I just worry they do.

I'm starting to realise that after today it's not all me being crazy and that I have valid points and I've let my boundaries be smashed to pieces. I'm finding it hard to re-establish them and am being met with massive opposition. He thinks he has done nothing wrong and just ignores all of it. I try and sit down and talk but he just walks off the minute the conversation gets remotely honest. I don't know how to deal with it when this happens

We are next of the list for counselling but I don't hold much hope aft the Relate experience. I'm even at the point where I'd rather just go on my own. In a way it's liberating to start to care a little less but it is very lonely considering my current circumstances and I look to him for comfort even though he is the reason in part why I feel like complete crap.

Many with say stupid girl having another baby but we were doing so well and getting back in track. I think maybe past issues from his end aren't resolved. He doesn't think he has any issues but his behaviour as far as I'm concerned indicate there is a lot of anger and resentment or whatever it is going on. I don't care what is it either I just want him to be honest and sort it out for everyone's sake.

I do feel like we are living in some 1950's tv show a lot of the time, the dynamic in his household growing up was very different and he is expecting me to confirm to his and I mine. There is no balance and no teamwork which clearly is a eclipse for disaster.

I'm just so shocked at how badly this situation is affecting me emotionally as I've always been quite resilient but right now am absolutely crumbling into a sobby mess.

I hate myself for not being stronger and more assertive. I must be communicating terribly to just be trampled all over when I do try and talk.

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Brokemyself · 09/08/2013 15:18

Thanks Val. he is classic passive aggressive and withholds affection as his favourite weapon of choice. During arguments I've accused him of as much...amongst other things.

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Brokemyself · 09/08/2013 15:22

And wow that particular article was so accurate!

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Val007 · 09/08/2013 15:34

divorcesupport.about.com/u/ua/abusiverelationships/pass_agg_behaviors.htm

They never change, Broke! If you read the experience of women in 20-25-30 year marriages - they all leave in the end. Only, they have suffered the entire length of the marriage in hope. No mention of the damage suffered by children in such marriages, but I can imagine it is horrendous...

wordyBird · 09/08/2013 15:59

You are not being crazy. Your points are valid. And it's not caused by terrible communication patterns, Broke. He will always trample all over you; it is what happens with type of person.

Has anyone mentioned this book yet?
www.amazon.co.uk/Why-Does-That-Controlling-ebook/dp/B000Q9J0RO/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1376060162&sr=1-1&keywords=why+does+he+do+that

....it will give a lot of insight into the source of his anger.

Please do not attempt couples counselling with him, but go to Relate on your own, for support.

This thread might help too:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/1799986-Support-for-those-in-Emotionally-Abusive-relationships-24

garlicagain · 09/08/2013 16:27

Broke, I will have to go back and read everything thoroughly but, for now, I want to add to the chorus of voices singing "it's not you, it's him".

Both of my marriages were what would be called 'volatile'. They were full of rows, screaming, crying, angry silences, things being thrown and things being done behind the other's back. I will not say I gave as much as I got, but I gave plenty and believe I often did start the rows, as my exes said.

Outside of certain relationships, I am a calm, highly reasoned, warm and compassionate individual. I'm a 'persuader' of sorts - debating society; worked in sales - with no fear of rational confrontation. I am not ashamed of my emotions, and trust myself to express them honestly. These things have always been true of me - but I'm having to re-learn them, since my covertly abusive second husband managed to destroy my personality to such an extent that I no longer knew myself.

He did this by sneakily moving the goals of our relationship, so the life I was living didn't actually match the life we had described together (and continued to describe, in public.) I am a 'persuader' - I applied my words and emotions to this problem, expecting him to engage with me in analysis and planning to get us back on track. What he did with this was clever: he answered indirectly, turning my queries into pleas & accusations, then became angry when I got frustrated. It seemed that I was unreasonable, argumentative, demanding ... I could not dispute that I cried, yelled, accused and stormed off.

What I missed, at the time, was the way I readily reviewed my own poor behaviour, while he denied his own. When I asked "What are you angry about?", for example, his reply would be "What's your problem?" He repeatedly cast me as an unstable loon, and, because I am willing to consider criticism, I came to feel he might be right. Consequently, I tried to change myself :(

We often picture the abused as quietly, abjectly or patiently, submitting to verbal, financial or physical blows - like helpless little animals. But think about it: are little animals always submissive? There are four instinctive responses to attack: fight, flee, freeze and fawn. Most of us utilise the full range, but have preferences. The two reactions I most often display are Fight, and Fawn. You can see how this combination would appeal to a certain kind of egotist: he got challenged; he got to engage in 'battle'; and he got to 'win'. Metaphorically bloody but unbowed, he would then crow over my defeat by (metaphorically) leading me around in chains, while I sang his praises. This was in the 'hoovering' cycle, when I'm sorry to say I mistook my secondary fear response - fawning - for overwhelming love Hmm

If you've read this far, you deserve Flowers and Wine with Biscuit and you might also be wondering what changed. Given that he'd persuaded me I was an insecure, erratic loon, I went and got myself a therapist. This therapist taught me to swap my Fight/Fawn responses for something more sophisticated: calm observation. After a couple of months practising that, I started to see How He Did It. I also saw, with a nauseous feeling, that it was all a game to him. He played with me like a cat with a mouse. Just for the ego boost, the bastard.

Apologies for writing so extensively about myself and, if you've read it, thank you! I thought it might be helpful for you to see other women's experiences of being turned to "I'm abusive, too" by abusers who enjoy the power of changing you.

garlicagain · 09/08/2013 16:28

No mention of the damage suffered by children in such marriages ... Well, yes! Such a marriage trained my sister and me to be superb foils for abusers. What else could we have learned?

Brokemyself · 09/08/2013 17:12

Garlic

I've just had a bit of a funny turn, I think it's the stress! Quite scary panic attack thing which I have only ever had once before years aho. Today has been absolutely diabolical. Him hanging up, me saying I desperately need help today as I'm not very well at the moment, him well doing what he always does and telling me I'm out of line and to just deal with it he is busy.

Your story sounds so familiar. He paints himself as some sort of saintly creature, to himself of course and everyone around him. I'm made out to be the hysterical demanding female, which of course is complete crap.

That is the worst part trying to figure out what the hell is actually going on. I feel like I'm losing my mind on a daily basis and it got so bad my GP was going to refer me to quite literally be taken away to some mad house! I've never been like this in my entire life. I have we'll had a decent career, been to very good schools etc so I do know what is right and what is wrong, however at the moment it just seems like all the lines have been completely blurred and I can't think for myself as I am never allowed to. Hence the arguments as I automatically rebel against this.

I am terrified of him at the moment, he has never hit me but I know he has wanted to. I don't think he ever would but its the emotional pain he inflicts. This all probably sounds overly dramatic but I can't keep it all inside any longer.

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garlicagain · 09/08/2013 17:19

Oh, darling, this is having a terrible effect on you, isn't it :( FWIW, I did end up in "some kind of mad house" (a posh one, thanks to insurance Grin) and it turned out to be life-changing in a very good way. I didn't have kids, though.

Look, you need to get some safety and you need it quickly. I'll have a better read of your thread, to see where you might find it. Meantime, would you please rustle up some support for today? Ring Women's Aid?
Ideally, you'd be able to get either him or yourself + DC out of the house for a few weeks.

Thinking kindly of you.

wordyBird · 09/08/2013 17:27

It's not overly dramatic, Broke: that's how emotional abuse feels. It is truly awful.

Please call Women's aid, they will understand and can help
www.womensaid.org.uk/

0808 2000 247

You don't have to do this on your own Brew

Brokemyself · 09/08/2013 17:41

I tried them but no answer. Is there any hope of him actually ever seeing what he has done? Or is that not quite how it works? He does think he is better than me and gods gift which is wearing a bit thin as its all an act with him.

All the signs were there when we first met, the drinking, the immaturity, the flirting and schoolboy charm around other women. I just didn't want to admit it to myself. Then the nastiness started. and the lying 'to avoid an argument'. Why lie! when After the pregnancy before our DD I was rushed to hospital for an emergency D & C. He didn't even come as he had a dentist appointment in the am and couldn't get back as then he would miss it or some crap. I was really scared and ill. This is justnonenof many things vie forgiven him for...I still hope though. I must be such a fool!

It does feel such a relief to get at least some of it off y chest.

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garlicagain · 09/08/2013 18:15

It does feel a relief, doesn't it? A chance, finally, to sift through the rubble and see what's underneath. (Goodness, I am metaphorical today! Blush)

Go ahead and get more of your chest, if you have time.

I'm sorry you couldn't get through to Women's Aid. Well done on ringing! Do try again, please, perhaps after the weekend.

If you've joined the Emotional Abuse thread, you will have seen how important detachment can be for your mental health & emotional survival. There is hope of him actually ever seeing what he has done, mainly because he already knows - consciously or unconsciously; I suspect a little of both. He could choose not to manipulate you into unhappy contortions, but chooses to carry on. That's the nub of it, really.

Here's an imaginary detachment tool, taught by my therapist under light hypnosis but I think it'll work by itself - you'll need a calm, safe space where you can be alone for five minutes. Rest your back against something comfy; shake the tension out of your neck and shoulders. Now breathe deeply, in and out, focusing on the clean air coming into your body then exhaling safely into the atmosphere. Construct for yourself, in your imagination, an invisible shield. It can be made of anything you like (mine's made of blue light,) as long as it's transparent. Your shield covers you entirely, shrinking and expanding to suit your needs. You may furnish it however you like - make it exactly right for you, and you alone. Take some time over this :)

You can always see, and hear, others through your personal shield, and they you. Its special quality is that it deflects aggression. People may fire angry, hurtful words at you, and, while you're in your shield, you'll be aware of what they say but the harsh intent will just bounce off your shield, like arrows off carbon steel. (Or rubber, if you'd like them to bounce right back at the speaker!) Inside your shield, your inner Jeremy Paxman stands by your side, providing cool and clear commentary on what other people are doing. My invisible shield contains a lovely, imaginary little desk, with pot plants and a notebook - for writing down my observations on the shenanigans happening outside!

This might not have worked for you - if not, fair enough. No harm done. If you think you could give it a try, though, please do!

Brokemyself · 09/08/2013 18:37

Ill definitely give that a go, I'll give any a go right now. I also like the fact I get to activate my very own Jeremy Paxman :D

What really also boths me is the wasted time. It's so clear to me on some levels what's happening here and although in an ideal world I want to scream and say you're doing this because of this I can't as he won't listen and tell me I'm psychoanalysing him blah blah. I'm not I'm just pointing out the screamingly obvious. I don't condescend to him or patronise him even tough pointing out the reality of the situation may sound like it.

He is terrible at reading people and takes them at face value hence his very shallow view on the world. I've pre-emptied situations months before they've unfolded and he'll turn around and say oh you're right again. I don't want to be bloody right in the midst of a situation which could have been avoided by having a tiny bit of insight. On one hand he is a giant people pleaser well with woman anyway so much so it's uncomfortable for my female friends who are can't see through him. Many of them can! Hence the loss of them and annoyance as me for still sticking this out.

He says his intentions are pure which is great but it's the actions which are contradictory to that. I have major trust issues with him. I've found messages to 'old friends' during the terrible period around the d and c.

I confronted him straight away and he downplayed it of course so who knows. I'm not sure anything physical has ever happened but then I'd doubt I'd know anyway. He has openly flirted in front of me which I found unacceptable as it made me question his integrity and have many other things but each time I have tried to look at the bigger picture and move on. You can't though not if the trust has been smashed to pieces and he hasn't bothered to repair it is any way.

My friend sent me this the other day:

Grab a plate and throw it on the floor

-okay done

Did it break

-yes

Now say sorry to it

-sorry

Did it go back to the way it was before

-no

Do you understand

For me this very simple concept is what he doesn't realise in anyway. I have an issue, I explain why in upset or how damaging his behaviour has been. Like for example going out drinking not coming back when he says he would not calling so I'm wondering what the hell has happened and leaving me pregnant worried and looking after children. This is just a minor bitch but never the less its consistent inconsiderate behaviour and not caring how I feel in any of it. We have kids the game has changed and I'm constantly picking up the pieces of the mess he makes.

I'm too tired to enjoy anything anymore. Emotionally tired.

Thank you for all your insight though, it's the most clear perspective I've had on this for a very very long time and I'm very glad I'm not being completely crazy.

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wordyBird · 09/08/2013 19:27

You're definitely not being crazy: your experiences are 'crazy-making'.

Abusive people show a consistent failure of empathy, and to some degree a failure of conscience. I think this is why some of them cannot read situations accurately, or understand why you are upset by their actions (and don't want to understand).

They are the centre of their own world. They cannot understand why they aren't the centre of YOUR world too. It frustrates them if you try to get your own needs met. It frustrates them that you even HAVE needs!

Hence, the shocking aggression and blatant avoidance if you have pregnancy, or other medical issues. Anything to get away from having to help you, or support you in any way!

I'm not in an emotionally abusive partnership, but have seen shades of this in my own life. It hurts because I know, as you do, the other person thinks they have done nothing wrong. They will never 'see', because what is obvious to us, is a closed book to them; and they have no interest in changing that situation.

Keep trying with WA... it will be worth it. If you have anyone you can call on in RL, please do that too. Post here too if it helps Brew

Lweji · 09/08/2013 19:48

Keep trying and leave a message or e-mail WA?

I do think you need them, particularly if he withholds funds and you have no help or where to go.

I relate to the shield tactic. I may have gained it from dealing with ex and lots of things wash over me now, which didn't before.

Go Jeremy Broke. :)

Brokemyself · 10/08/2013 10:37

Just been told he is going on a stag weekend abroad just after the birth of the new baby which I am not happy with as there will be drugs, clubs and the usual stuff which goes on. I am apparently being a controlling cow by objecting and he is going Am I? I just can't cope anymore!!

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kalidanger · 10/08/2013 11:00

Fantastic news!! Let him go and don't let him back!!

Get off his roller coaster Thanks

Brokemyself · 10/08/2013 11:06

He seems to be enjoying how upset he has made me! I have just told him I need some space for a few weeks but he won't leave! I have asked for some money to cover food bills etc but he apparently doesn't have any so has to stay. I'm calling bullshit on that but am in no position to even attempt to argue. I tried to sit down calmly and explain why I need some space and that this isn't working but he as usual said are you done and walked out without a word.
I hate him I really do. I've really fucked up by getting myself into this crazy situation.

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wordyBird · 10/08/2013 12:19

Depriving you of necessary money is another act of abuse. Financial abuse is illegal, as are all other forms of abuse.

So it is actually a police matter - the the law has changed to cover, among other things
"depriving victims of their financial independence"

You can talk to the police on 101. Keep trying WA when you get the chance. You can and will get out of this, Broke.

Brokemyself · 10/08/2013 12:33

I'm too embarrassed by it all and he will deny he has done anything wrong as usual. He has already threatened to take our daughter as I'm crazy. He told me I am out of control and he is scared of me! This was after I was hysterical as he had walked out again over night and thrown things at me. I drove him to it apparently. Please feel to ignore all these posts I am just so glad I have an outlet to all this. A friend I spoke to for the briefest time a few weeks ago - I was out with another friend, first time in nine months - after I had a breakdown in the coffeeshop we were in told me to keep a diary. I wrote one page but then writerblock kicked in and I just couldn't think straight. It really helps to know that there are people out there as I feel so isolated and confused. Really what I am trying to say is thank you for listening and not judging too harshly at my very stupid decisions.

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garlicagain · 10/08/2013 13:19

Please stop slagging yourself off, Broke! You've got a partner to do that for you!

Do you honestly think it was stupid to love and trust your partner, to have children with him and to think he would care for you? When you told your partner you needed him, was it stupid to hope he'd give a shit? If that's stupid, the world's full of very happy stupid women Wink The big difference between you and them is that they're not married to bullies. You couldn't have known what a horrible bully he is, early on. They hide it pretty well, otherwise no woman would stick around long enough for them to bully! The only dumb thing you've done is to keep expecting him to become the nice, considerate, thoughtful person he's not. You can be excused this, as it's because you're a nice person, but now it's time to understand.

He has already threatened to take our daughter as I'm crazy. You do realise this doesn't make any sense, don't you? Take her where?? It's all very well taking a child away to hurt its mother, but then you have to parent that child full-time. Doesn't sound like his cup of tea ... and why only one DC? If he's offering to take them off your hands, let him have both for a while!

Your friend was right. Taking notes will help you keep a line open to your common sense. You don't have to write a work of art, just a few blurts about what he said/did! Writing down your feelings does help, too, but some people find it hard to be honest with themselves while trying to survive an abusive relationship. You may be better off writing it here; it depends on you personally.

I think you could be underestimating your friends. I know it's difficult with 2½ children, but what are the chances one of them would have you to stay for a few weeks while you sort stuff out with Women's Aid? What about your family, too? I know you said they've washed their hands of you - but do you mean they just can't bear to watch you suffering, or are their judgy pants too tight for comfort? (That wouldn't be surprising, btw; most abuse targets were 'pre-conditioned' by bullying families.)

Get some head space, my love, and keep trying WA.

Is the house in both your names? Both DC are registered to him, yes?

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