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My DP left on Saturday. Help please!

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Mips · 01/08/2013 15:00

Hi. A friend recommended MN and I have been reading posts which have helped my situation.
My long term DP left on Saturday. Whilst we had problems, it has come as a shock. Does anyone have any tips for getting through the day in the early days? I have 2 children, 10 and 6. Thank you in advance.

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Mips · 06/08/2013 07:32

Another morning where i woke and realisation hit. How will i get through the whole day with dp?

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Vivacia · 06/08/2013 07:47

What are the actual plans for today? Is it the "whole day" or "two hours this afternoon"? Might be easier to handle if you focus on the time you'll be able to be on your own, compose yourself and recharge your batteries?

Mips · 06/08/2013 07:52

Its a whole day. A picnic and beach trip.
In a panic already. I was semi ok yesterday, had a good cry last night and now stomach churning this morning.

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Vivacia · 06/08/2013 08:30

You're a stronger woman than I. I don't think I'd want to look at him.

YvyB · 06/08/2013 08:31

Ok Mips. Keep breathing! Think of this as the school trip from hell - you don't want to go but you're damn well going to make sure it runs smoothly being the true professional you are. Let's take stock.

  1. the dcs you're taking you happen to be pretty fond of. That's a plus.
  2. you know the venue already - take equipment to supplement its downsides and maximise its good points - good book, toys, smart phone, have friend on standby for regular text updates and motivational comments. You know the drill...
  3. no coach load of over excited children drastically reduces the likelihood of having to clear up vomit. Don't under estimate the value of this.
  4. unfortunately, one of your party has ebd. Mentally write an iep for strategies to manage this. "Ignore bad behaviour" is perfectly acceptable as a starting point. As this particular party member is over 18 you have no legal responsibility for anything relating to him at all. Also google a lovely tea shop for "time out" if you need it.
  5. OFSTED are not coming. You do not have to be perfect. You don't even have to be good.
  6. you WILL get home later. Have lovely bottle of wine in fridge ready as your reward.
  7. on no account do that hideous "review, revise, replan" cycle they told you about when you trained. We all know the curriculum will have been completely rewritten and your role will be unrecognisable by the time you get to this time next year anyway.
  8. mentally record today on your personal cv under the heading of "shitty challenges I have conquered". You will conquer it and no one is handing out points for style.

Good luck. This too shall pass :)

Mips · 06/08/2013 08:57

Aw, how fab is your post. Thanks. I will treat it like a school trip. It cant be any worse than being on a bus to Italy on a ski trip with a host of hormonal teenagers! He is about to arrive so i am off to do some deep breathing first. Will update later. Thanks again!

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YvyB · 06/08/2013 09:06

Oh God. Bus load of teenagers all the way to Italy? Shudder. It definitely can't be any worse!
Just find that "happy place" we all go to in our heads on a wet Thursday afternoon the week before SATs - you know the place; the one where chaos is exploding all over the room, you know they don't really quite know what they're meant to be doing and it's also patently clear they don't even care yet you are standing calmly, smiling serenely because at some point the bell will ring and you can go home.
Let us know how you get on. If you need a good blub we'll all be here with the virtual tissues.

Mips · 06/08/2013 09:09

Thanks. Will let you know.

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Vivacia · 06/08/2013 09:33

Fab post YvyB!

YvyB · 06/08/2013 09:44

Thanks. Done a few grim school trips in my time but they all came to an end and some of them I can even laugh about now. Mind you, that took time. Quite a lot of time actually...

Doesnt do any harm to remind yourself of all the tried and tested coping strategies you DO have to fall back on when the chips are down though, does it?

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 06/08/2013 12:39

I am not a teacher but know some and they all do a fine impression of being life's copers.

Self-blame is a mechanism that sometimes kicks in because it gives us reassurance things aren't entirely out of our control. "If only I'd..." It will be more complicated than that but I see why you do it especially at the witching hour when thoughts whizz round. These are early days so if the boys want extra cuddles it will help.

Hope DS has a lovely birthday and the four of you have some genuine laughs.

YvyB · 06/08/2013 12:44

Spot on, Donkey. We teachery types do love to know we've got it all under control. (In fact, we spend HOURS at weekends and evenings producing piles of paperwork proving that we have!) Is a bit of a bugger to be reminded that we have no control at all sometimes. Scary too!

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 06/08/2013 12:47
Smile

Mips thinking of you.

NanaNina · 06/08/2013 13:31

Hope you manage today ok Mips and I think YvyB is giving you fab advice/support and the fact that you are both teachers makes the comparison with the "school trip" not only helpful but vaguely amusing.

My eldest son and DIL are both primary school teachers and before they went into teaching, I always thought teacher had an easy time!! NO no more do I think that!! It's just I was a social worker/middle manager for some 30 years for a LA SSD, and when my DP and teacher friends were all saying "Oh thank god it's the end of term" I used to feel really pissed off as there was no "end of term" for me. I have been retired for 4 years now so life is relatively easy (though look after grandchildren for some of the time). My DIL is super conscientious and she brings her marking home in one of those bags you wheel when going on a flight! My son does all the sport in his school so no planning, marking, writing those interminable reports at the end of the academic year.

Sorry Mips got a bit carried away there. It's so sad your sons are fretting about their dad not being there, but perfectly understandable. He needs to do his best to re-assure them that they will be safe with you and that he isn't very far away (if that's the case) If they are old enough could he text them at bedtime to say goodnight and tell them they are safe, or something similar.

YvyB · 06/08/2013 21:54

Hope you're ok, Mips.

Mips · 06/08/2013 22:15

Hi there. Sorry for late response but he has just left. Had a great day! Apart from the journey there in the car where we kind of started on where it went wrong, each picking out incidents which annoyed us, the rest of the day was fine. We decided to draw a line under past difficulties and just work on sorting ourselves out. He is still keen to stay apart but he did say he wanted to take a day at a time and wasnt opposed to a future with me (he didnt promise anything though). We had fish n chips on way home and came to house and we all watched a movie. As he left he asked if he could come round on Thursday to see the DC as he didnt want to wait till Friday (when he has them). Incidently i did tell him earlier that i didnt think it was fair on us that he was here most days. He was a bit huffed but said if thats what i want then that was fine. He thought this was me punishing him for leaving! However, we did reach a compromise that he would always contact me first before coming round.
Afyer the movie he gave me a hug. I said are you sure this is what you want and he just said its too soon.

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Vivacia · 06/08/2013 22:20

It sounds a mine field. Would you consider counselling, perhaps Relate, to help you during this time?

Mips · 06/08/2013 22:27

It sure is Viv! I havent mentioned counselling to him as i know the answer will be no. I cant get him to the GP for ADs so i dont think he will go. I however, am going to go for counselling through my work.
I think my only way forward is to allow him space to do what he needs to do. In the meantime im going to put on my lippy and try and keep my head up and get my mojo back!
He did say that he missed being with me but it was too soon to come back. So im not going to hang my hopes on this.

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Vivacia · 06/08/2013 22:43

I was thinking about you seeing the counsellor on your own. This way you can clarify your wants rather than only waiting to find out what he wants, if you see what I mean?

Mips · 06/08/2013 22:52

You are right. I need to consider my wants too. Im too caught up in what he wants.
I looked at him today and i did think he needs to make changes as its not all about me. I mentiobed the ADs and he is still taking them as before and wont see GP. So this will be my first request if we make amends. Thanks for all your support. I really appreciate it.

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YvyB · 07/08/2013 08:45

Morning Mips
Glad you not only survived the day but even enjoyed it too - said you were an over-achiever! Viv has put her finger straight on the point in her last post: you've spent so long trying to meet HIS needs you've forgotten you're entitled to have your own met too. This is another teachery trait, I'm afraid. We get so brainwashed in to focusing on the needs of the students at school that we bring that mindset home with our marking too. Think about being at school - how many times have you not gone to the loo because a child stopped you en route to ask something and you immediately stopped your journey to the toilet to sort them out instead? And then the bell went so you didnt go so you just didnt drink anything after in order to make it to the end of the day because you can't leave your class?
Well?!
Right. Now back up a bit and really think about it. If we see the most basic biological functions such as drinking water (because you spend 6 hours a day talking loudly) and then having a wee to get rid of said water as coming secondary to someone else's needs AND we spend all day surrounded by other people who also behave the same way, is it any wonder that we spend our home lives allowing everybody else to come first and having no expectation that anybody should spend at least some of the time prioritising us?
I nearly passed out the first time this was brought to my attention by my lovely relate counsellor! So flippin obvious, isn't it?!
So... at this point (still in the counselling session), the counsellor asked my stbxh straight out "do you see yourself as having some responsibility towards meeting her needs? Even when her needs might not be things you value or want to do?" After an extremely evasive non-answer which revealed that really stbxh requires a "service provider" rather than a partner, I was hit with two realisations. 1) that I DO count as a person and I should expect any partner to take my needs seriously and enjoy helping me meet them as part of a partnership and 2) that I've spent so long putting ,my needs last I'd forgotten I even had any, let alone that my dh should have been helping me to achieve them!
I've spent the last 3 weeks re-discovering what my needs are and spending lots of time with friends who share pleasure in meeting those needs. As stbxh never made any effort in this way, I havent missed him at all (there was nothing to miss, was there?) and despite the stress of organising a divorce, people keep telling me how well I look (I was apparently "glowing" yesterday!).

Not sure what you've got planned for today but why not make a list of your needs? Mine included things like cuddles, decorating the Christmas tree (not in Aug, obviously!), help with lifting heavy things, holding hands, conversation at the end of the day... then tell yourself that you are ENTITLED to have these needs met and if you are in a healthy relationship your dp should be honoured to help you meet your needs. In fact, they should actually enjoy it!

My apologies to non-teachery-types. I know you all put everybody else's needs first too. I just found it easiest to explain myself in the context of teaching as op and I are both teachers. I'm sure the same applies in many, many other walks of life too, not least being a SAHM!

YvyB · 07/08/2013 08:57

Ooh, and sorry to dominate the thread, but I've just realised something else...
The needs I listed above have all been met easily by other people: cuddles from my ds, heavy lifting by my dad, my neighbours and the nice man in b&q (note to self: wonder if nice man in b&q does cuddles too? :S), conversation at all times of day by friends on end of phone etc. AND what is more, all those people have done a bloody good impression of enjoying their side of it. Well, maybe the nice b&q man less so, but he smiled heroically throughout and he gets a pay check.

Suggests that those needs aren't at all unreasonable, doesnt it? And also that normal people enjoy being part of a give-and-take deal. Hmm...

YvyB · 07/08/2013 09:09

Pay cheque, dammit!

Mips · 07/08/2013 09:16

Thabks Y. You have inspired me. DP actually said yesterday that i need to find time for myself. He understood how life get in the way and we forget about ourselves.
When chatting yesterday i did focus on one thing he saidlast year a woman at his work was flirtibg with him. He did tell me but me being the jealous type logged into his email without his knowledge and read some emails back and forth. Whilst she seemed to be flirting and havung problems in her own relationship, he appeared to be being supportive but letting her down gently at the same time. i then stupidly emailed her asking her gently to leave him alone (my last ltr ended due to cheatibg so it hit a raw nerve). He said he felt betrayed and worried that i had done this before. I hadnt as had no reason to. I think this is a big part of his negative feelings towards me. Ive never hada readon to suspect him before. He is very faithful. Ive apologised

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Mips · 07/08/2013 09:18

But not sure how to take away that negative feeling. I could kick myself asin the 11 years we have been together he has never been unfaithful.

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