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Should I leave him?

56 replies

kittenmittens · 27/06/2013 08:50

My partner and I have been together for just over a year and a half. I love him, we have fun together, we get on most of the time, and we recently decided to try for a baby.

This morning we had a big argument about housework and I told him to move out. I said I still wanted a relationship but one where we don't live together. He said that was impossible, he doesn't want that sort of relationship, if we didn't live together then we weren't in a relationship as far as he was concerned. I know he didn't mean it, I think he's just presuming he'll come home from work and we'll make up and things will get back to normal.

I'm getting so sick and tired of these arguments. It's so cliched and boring. He has a job he hates, manual labour, he's paid a pittance and he's always totally knackered when he gets home. I'm in the middle of doing a PhD. I work from home but I spend far too much time doing housework. Every day I do the food shopping, cooking, tidying, take the rubbish out, etc. I feel like he just sees me being at home and doesn't respect the fact that I'm supposed to be doing work. I'll cook the dinner and then the dishes will sit there all evening and I'll remind him before I go to bed that he needs to clean up and he'll get annoyed that I'm pestering him. Then I'll get up in the morning and the kitchen is still a state. He'll get pissed off that I'm pissed off when he gets up. His response is always "I can't deal with this shit now". I have to keep needling him because I can't let it go, I find it disrespectful. He then doesn't have time to clean up because he's late for work, says he'll do it when he gets home but of course I end up having to do it because I have to prepare lunch etc. This happens a lot.

Also I pay all the rent every month. He's always skint. He pays some bills but never on time, I always have to pester him, and sometimes I have to bail him out on those. He leaves empty beer cans and snotty tissues all over the place. His side of the bed is always a mess even after I put a waste paper bin half a meter away. I now refuse to wash his clothes and last week he cooked dinner every day because I refused. This keeps happening - things get a little better for a bit, but then slowly I realise we're back to square one again. It's an endless cycle of pettiness.

Although this all makes him sound like an ogre we honestly do get on in other respects. Years ago I was in an abusive relationship and then I was single for 7 years, during which time I couldn't let anybody get close to me. My current partner helped me a lot with trust and opening up and sharing my feelings etc. When we get on, we get on really well. We laugh a lot.

As for trying for a baby, I'm now having second thoughts even though this is something I desperately want. I've felt broody all my adult life but I've always put it off because the time didn't feel right. I'm in my 30s now and I'm scared that I'll never have kids because I keep talking myself out of it. Also after an ectopic pregnancy a few years ago I only have one tube so the thought of being infertile is weighing very heavily on my mind. Am I being pathetic? Am I settling for second best? I think maybe I am but I'm just too frightened to start all over again.

Sorry for lengthy post.

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JessicaBeatriceFletcher · 27/06/2013 08:54

Leave him and do not even think about bringing a baby into a relationship like this.

kittenmittens · 27/06/2013 08:58

I realised it was a rhetorical question after I read over my post. Of course I should leave him.

We did break up briefly a few months ago but then I took him back because I missed him so much. I'm a little angry at myself for becoming a doormat. I find it very hard to leave relationships, I'm pretty weak in that respect. I'm just going to have to do it though aren't I.

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Snazzywaitingforsummer · 27/06/2013 09:03

Glad you have realised this now. That doesn't mean it isn't hard. Start again now and you still have time to do all the things you've dreamed of.

rootypig · 27/06/2013 09:07

Don't be scared. A fresh start is better than this - don't sacrifice your education and chance of a happy life to this man. And don't fall into the trap of thinking a baby will make you happy enough to live with this relationship. Everything will be the same, but infinitely worse...you'll do everything, and with no support for your life and dreams.

Leave him - I strongly suspect your self esteem will sky rocket. Good luck x

TurnipCake · 27/06/2013 09:08

Yep, time to shelve the baby idea and get the hell out of that relationshit (not a typo)

BestestBrownies · 27/06/2013 09:14

Leave. He's nothing but a cocklodger. I was in your position 8 months ago and now my life couldn't be better. You deserve better and you will find it. Just not with this loser dragging you down.

Be strong. Good luck

HotDAMNlifeisgood · 27/06/2013 09:18

Leave.

I know it's hard when we want love and validation from others, see the best in them and their potential... but the reality is that he is a disrespectful cocklodger, with some good sides (obviously: nobody is all bad). But you deserve far better than this.

MarinaIvy · 27/06/2013 09:21

First off, I completely get the conflict between wanting to have a baby (and knowing you might not have a lot of time left) and wanting to have a better relationship.

I think you're doing the right thing in leaving: a bad relationship is a terrible foundation for a baby.

You've given him loads of chances, and he's still so wrapped up in hating his life that he wouldn't take them.

And don't lose heart! You can have a baby later in life. I had my [one and only] at 45. I wouldn't counsel anybody to "wait", but it can work.

I left a man I shouldn't have been married to, let alone had a baby with (I'd resisted all the time we were together), and almost the second I left him I got intensely broody. Was willing to do it on my own, but almost tripped over DP, we decided to have a baby in the first five minutes of conversation, and after 6 years of trying we've been blessed.

Am so proud of you - the PhD, for heaven's sake! You go, girl!

Keep us posted, and PM if you like.

kittenmittens · 27/06/2013 09:36

Thanks everyone. It means a lot to hear it from other people. I've not got much real life support at the moment, my research is so incredibly isolating.

I couldn't believe it last week when I was in my two week wait, days away from testing, and he came home early because he'd walked out on his job and on the way back he'd got a new smart phone with an 18 month contract. That was what set off alarm bells for me, here I was possibly pregnant and there he was flinging his money away and walking out on his job. But I suppose he can afford to do things like that if all his rent and food and bills are sorted Hmm He got his job back the next day (he works for family). Luckily I came on my period.

I've dodged a bullet haven't I.

How should I get rid of him? Should I give him a months notice or just wait till he's gone and change the locks? He might refuse to leave. We have a joint tenancy.

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hellsbellsmelons · 27/06/2013 14:42

Certainly sounds like you've dodged a bullet from where I am.
I've no idea how to get him out if it's joint tenancy?
I'm sure someone will be along soon to help with that one.
Well done for realising. It's just the ending it now!
I took mine back 5 times and it's definitely over now. They don't change, just get better for a while.
Don't waste any more time on this guy.
Good luck.

BeCool · 27/06/2013 14:47

"Also I pay all the rent every month." & he works FT.
This alone would be enough a red flag for me.

You've dodged a bullet alright - time to get out permanently.

Phalenopsis · 27/06/2013 15:06

Re the child thing - If you did have a baby with him you'd basically be a single parent. He'd merely have been a sperm donor as I doubt he'd change one the baby arrived. In fact I think he'd be worse than he is now.

SolidGoldBrass · 27/06/2013 15:14

How long have you got until the tenancy runs out? If it's only a couple of months it might be easier just to find yourself somewhere new to live. However, given that he doesn't pay rent, you can obviously afford the rent by yourself, so you could probably just get the tenancy changed to your name only. It would be best if he agrees to move out, but given that he is clearly lazy and selfish, he may not go willingly and may alternate between buying you flowers, boohooing, cooking a meal and expecting blowjobs and a medal... and sulking, stropping and telling you that you should think yourself lucky that he puts up with you etc. Don't be fooled by any of it, he doesn't love you, he just doesn't want to lose his comfy berth.

kittenmittens · 27/06/2013 15:44

The tenancy was for 6 months which has now gone, so it's just a rolling monthly contract now. But I refuse to leave this flat, it was a miracle I found it after living in cramped shitholes for as long as I can remember, this one has loads of room including office space which I need, and I can afford it on my own. Plus if I did leave he'd get evicted after a month or two because he wouldn't pay the rent.

I feel like I've seen the light today. This man is completely selfish and immature. There are a lot of things I haven't spoken about, but he basically ticks all the boxes to such an extent it's almost comical.

I've just remembered that last week we were having a conversation with somebody, they asked him how much he earns a week and I was really shocked by what he told them. He earns the same as me but he always led me to believed that he earned much less.

We broke up a few months ago and he ended up in the spare room giving sob stories about how he had nowhere to go, he managed to charm his way back into my bed after a few weeks. He'll try and do this again.

I left him a letter basically telling him I was under no more illusions about his behaviour, that he should leave the flat and that where he went was not my concern or responsibility. I'm going to give him some time to digest it before I return.

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BeCool · 27/06/2013 15:46

"I feel like I've seen the light today."
Fantastic - hold onto this feeling. You are about to change your world for the better.

HotDAMNlifeisgood · 27/06/2013 15:54

Steel yourself, then. if he has form fo rwheedling his way back into your bed, you are going to have to be VERY firm now.

You are clearly far too giving. None of that now: he needs to leave, and he needs to leave now. If he earns the same as you, he can clearly afford his own rent somewhere else.

BabsAndTheRu · 27/06/2013 15:57

He sounds like my xh, better to split up now when you have no kids and no lawyers fees to pay. As for the baby situation I left my exh before we had kids and have now been with my DP for nearly 12 years and have 3 gorgeous children. Wouldn't have had this with immature, selfish xh. Good luck op.

kittenmittens · 27/06/2013 16:02

Fingers crossed. I need to become steely. Actually, I already feel steely. Onwards and upwards!

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HotDAMNlifeisgood · 27/06/2013 16:15

Jokes aside, have your responses prepared ahead of time for the pleading, blustering, and bargaining he is going to throw at you.

Squitten · 27/06/2013 16:43

Well done! I sinerely hope you hold your nerve

carolthesecretary · 27/06/2013 16:52

Was going to say leave but it looks like you have come to your senses, thankfully.

SolidGoldBrass · 27/06/2013 17:01

You may need to have a word with your landlord/letting agency about changing the tenancy into your name only and, if necessary, changing the locks if he refuses to go. Because once his name is off the tenancy agreement he can be removed by the police if he still won't leave.

BrendaB85 · 27/06/2013 17:07

Leave him!

Notgoingto · 27/06/2013 18:03

If it were me I'd probably take a gamble on putting all his stuff outside and changing the locks. Hopefully he'll just go away, perhaps to stay with family. If he tays and shouts outside the door for a while first just ignore him. Then you can get the tenancy agreement changed.

kittenmittens · 27/06/2013 18:53

He's gone to stay at his mum's house!

We didn't really say anything to each other. I'd left him a big long letter detailing all my grievances and how my eyes had been opened and I wasn't going to stand for it anymore. I think he was waiting for me to come back before he left. He said hello, he was going to stay at his mums for a few days, I just said 'fine', didn't look at him, and walked into the kitchen. He left. He's taken the letter with him.

So I think he's either given up, or he's just trying to let me cool down for a few days. I need to keep reading my OP and the copy of the letter I gave him, to remind myself.

This afternoon I started to imagine my life without him and it felt good.

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