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Would being told to "shut up dog" by your h be a dealbreaker for you?

63 replies

feelokaboutit · 24/06/2013 07:36

This is the context - sorry rather long:

The way it happened was that we were at the swimming pool. As usual I had packed the two swimming bags - one for me, dd1 and dd2 and the other for h and ds. Except that I had changed h and ds's bag and so it only had trunks and towels in it and I had forgotten to transfer over the goggles. Ds had mentioned this on the way in to the pool and I said I had forgotten but h hadn't heard.

The girls and I went in to the ladies changing room and got changed. By the time we got to the pool, h and ds were already there and h was asking where the goggles were and was obviously annoyed. I said that I had forgotten and he said I should always have them in there or something to that effect blah blah - all cross and sanctimoniously. So my blood is beginning to boil and I said that every week I do have the bags ready and he said something to the effect of - well you should have had the goggles today... I was also saying that he could pack his bag himself and that he too made mistakes (I think I was saying that - it has kind of got lost in the fog).

Anyway, I had one pair of goggles out of the 5 that we usually have and it happened to be mine. So I gave him these (he's all angry and sanctimonious) and said he had to give them back to me when he'd finished. He took them gracelessly out of my hand and said "you'll be lucky". At this point I was really annoyed so I said (to his back as he was going to the pool) that he should remember that he wasn't perfect either - I might have been shouting a little as I was really really annoyed. That's when he said "shut up" and then, as I was walking away "dog". dd2 (7) did not hear him say dog but dd1 (9) did and later referred to it in the changing room and said "Daddy hates you". Not said in a gloating way, but more trying to understand why he would say something like that. Kind of giggling but not in a nasty way.

So h, ds and dd1 went to the big pool and I went to the baby one with dd2. When we had all got changed afterwards, they went to a cafe to have lunch (where we normally go altogether) and I went home, having explained to the girls why. H and I haven't said a word to each other since and this is not unusual.

Every couple of months we will have a massive disagreement like this (or rather, he will say something which I find so upsetting or talk to me in a way which I find so upsetting that I decide that I absolutely have to leave him), and it will take us weeks of silence to get over it. Not that we ever really get over it because nothing is ever discussed. He has a short temper, is critical, somewhat intolerant and autocratic and very defensive. He does also have a nicer side - and showers the kids with affection (and I am feeling very down on him today!), but to be honest, we probably get on properly for 2 or 3 days roughly every 6 weeks (don't know how I know this so exactly!). The rest of the time we either co-exist not having arguments particularly but living very separate lives (though communicating about stuff to do with the kids). Then there are the times like this when I am actively furious (or sometimes he is) and we basically behave as if the other one isn't there. The first 2 or 3 times this happened, I thought it was all him (the longest silence was about 8 weeks long) - and it probably was more him as after 2 or 3 days I would snap out of things and attempt to talk, only to be met with monosyllabic answers. We went to counselling together last year for 5 or 6 sessions (he gave up after one session where it all got a bit heated and he couldn't handle it), and during one of those sessions he said that it wasn't that he "wasn't talking to me" but that he "had nothing to say". Now however, I am much more used to the lack of communication between us and talk very little as well - which is kind of sad!

I think the kids know that we don't get on all that well, but are used to their own reality. Some of the stress I feel, they probably don't realise. They get on with both of us but, in some ways, separately. We do go and do things as a family at weekends (though not always) and some of those weekends are okay. In general though I find that h and I get on worse on Saturday and Sunday. He is very annoyed with me for being untidy and having quite a lot of clutter. I constantly feel that he may be about to complain about something, which means I am never completely relaxed - and don't get down to doing some of the stuff I should be doing.

A few weeks ago, I was at a point when I was very seriously considering the fact that we may have to split up, except that I got so close to it in my head that I really scared myself. The prospect of being away from the kids half the time is truly truly awful. So I reined in my thoughts and decided to be happy about all the things that I have. Things like what happened today throw it all back into question however, and I kind of know that of course we have to separate. (Except that after about 3 days I lose that feeling of intense anger, but isn't that then worse, that I accept the fact that someone has called me a "dog"). I had been thinking (before today's argument) - well - in roughly 11 years time dd2 will probably have left home, so I definitely have to plan to leave then - except that how does that work for in the meantime? Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy a lot of things about my life, and undoubtedly I have contributed to the deterioration of my "relationship". In order to avoid feeling pissed off by him I have really really distanced myself. Also to avoid his criticism as much as possible. I feel sad for the children that they don't have a model of an affectionate relationship to learn from, but have recently been so busy that I am not thinking about it.

I don't know. I think we are just not suited to each other. H is divorced already and in some ways can take me or leave me. He is 12 years older than me (so he is 56) and somehow is never going to see us as equals. He didn't have a totally easy childhood. His family came to this country from India when he was 10. They went to live in XX and had to endure people spitting at them and throwing stones at them in the street. I think this really marked him. His Dad (who died not long before I met h) also became an alcoholic, and when he was 15, left the family home.

If it wasn't for the fact that we have children together, I don't think we would still be together. I do think some relationships end naturally and ours feels like it ended a long time ago! There must be loads of couples in that situation however.

Obviously this is my side of the story, and I have presented a very negative picture of h - not fair really (this is one of the things he was cross about in counselling - that I had spoken about him in this way to other people - one of my arguments was "well, what was I supposed to have done during the 6 or 8 weeks that you weren't speaking to me"). In some ways he is very much a loner and does not need huge amounts of communication and chat - I am kind of the opposite however. When I think of some couples, I get quite envious - those that are easily affectionate with each other. Enough to make you cry when you think that today I was called "dog". H is quick to lash if he feels attacked and will do this about anybody, but this is no consolation!

Anyway, my basic question is - is being called a "dog" by your h a dealbreaker?

Thank you for reading this far!

OP posts:
Soupa · 24/06/2013 10:30

Leave for you and the children.

This IS your life, this IS what your children are learning. Get support and get moving forward.

LayMeDown · 24/06/2013 10:53

Jesus love, I would have reached deal breaker point long ago with this asshole.
I feel so sorry for your children living i this atmosphere. You need to get out, you know it.

DrinaDancesInParis · 24/06/2013 12:11

Yes, it's a dealbreaker. He has already broken the deal, broken his vows, by treating you with contempt and insulting you. He promised to love, cherish and respect you, and that is what you deserve in your marriage.

"...but dd1 (9) did and later referred to it in the changing room and said "Daddy hates you"

That is really, really sad. Please leave so that you can show your daughter that her mother, and all women, is worthy of respect, decency and love. That she should never accept spite, insults and hatred in any relationship when she is older.

"I think the kids know that we don't get on all that well, but are used to their own reality."

I'm sure it's true that they are "used to their reality", but that is a terrible thing, that this is their reality. This is their childhood. These are the memories they will have. Sad

You deserve so, so much better than this and so do your children.

ImperialBlether · 24/06/2013 12:27

Let's get practical. Do you both work full time outside the home? How are the children cared for eg pre/after school? Who spends the most time with them, eg taking them to parties, to the park etc.

Did he have children in his previous marriage? If so, what happened there?

I do think you should leave. If my daughter had heard her father calling me a dog she would have been shocked and upset. Your daughter has understands that he hates you and the fact this is a constant in her life has meant she's not shocked by it. You really do need to act, for their sake if not your own.

SoTiredAgain · 24/06/2013 13:09

OP, you do know that you have named your husband in your original post? Get mnhq to delete it.

Did he say dog in his native language? If so, it's despicable. Really vile. (For those who dont know, its an extremely offensive swear word). Either way, it shows his contempt for you.

Your children deserve better than this. You deserve better than this.

lemonstartree · 24/06/2013 13:38

The dealbreaker, or more accurately the big wake up call, for me would be my child saying 'daddy hates you' ....

and the sad sad back story of years lived in a relationship of antagonism suppressed resentment and unhappiness, how can you think this is better than being apart ? Nothing could be worse than how you are living now. and virtually nothing could be worse for your children than living with parents who dislike one another and where dad has no respect for their mother. I know it has not arrived here overnight and so its harder to assess - but honestly this is horrific and no way to spend your life

AnyFucker · 24/06/2013 13:45

The best thing a father can do for his children is to respect their mother

colditz · 24/06/2013 13:46

Yes. Totally. In a "get out of my house and do not come back" way.

feelokaboutit · 24/06/2013 13:49

Thank you for your messages. In response to one poster, I wasn't shouting in a Jeremy Kyle kind of way, but it had got a bit heated because I couldn't believe the unfairness of it. For him to be so annoyed and so unkind and intolerant over a pair of goggles, it made me really cross and hurt.

Thanks for pointing out the names in my post and thank you to the people who told mnhq - I have also told them.

I agree that enough is enough. The other times that I have got to this point I have always backed down mentally because so much about this option is frightening. I am a sahm and am hoping to get a job as a Teaching Assistant. I couldn't stay in the house as that would cause the mother of all arguments, so would have to move out with the kids (and the kids would then go on to see both of us). H does not have any children from his previous marriage.

H went to counselling about 5 or 6 times with me last year, but it all fell apart when it got too close to the bone for him.

I agree with the person who said that he probably longs for his own freedom. As usual, after one of these episodes (which probably happen about 4 or 5 times a year?), I am feeling totally incapacitated and anxious. Need to pull myself together.

He said "dog" in English. He has a hot head and will use words like this quite easily to describe people he is angry with, but that doesn't make it feel any better.

How do people get over not being with their kids all the time and essentially "protecting" them. They don't need protecting from h who is very kind to them, but just in general, it would feel massively weird not to be there all the time just to look after them in general. Eg. dd2 can't swim yet - of course h knows this, but it's the kind of thing which makes me nervous....

OP posts:
hellsbellsmelons · 24/06/2013 14:09

Soooo... out of 365 days in a year, you are happy 20-25 of these - maximum!
You need to get yourself an exit plan.
Telling you to 'Shut up' is bad enough but calling you a 'dog' is despicable!
Total deal breaker for most people. Add on everything else and you really need to not be in this 'relationship'!
If you are a SAHM then I doubt very much he'll get them 50% of the time - how will he look after them if he works?
There will be more practical advice along soon.
Good luck and here's to a happier 2nd half of your life!

trikken · 24/06/2013 14:21

Yes I think it would be. I also couldnt b unhappy that much of the time.

BlackeyedSusan · 25/06/2013 22:37

go and see a solicitor. you may be able to have the house, or a good part of it. do not write it off atomatically.

GwendolineMaryLacey · 25/06/2013 22:45

I don't usually post in relationships either but I agree with those who say that calling you a dog is the least of your problems with this nasty little man.

On its own though, if my DH called me a dog I would think very very carefully about staying with him. I don't think there's much worse that he could call me. It shows a total lack of respect and without that a relationship is nothing.

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