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BF "refuses" to have sex!

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dustythedolphin · 30/05/2013 00:00

I've been in a "relationship" for 15 months. I was previously married for two decades and now am a single. When I met the BF he adored me, was supportive, couldn't keep his hands off me ~ sex was great and frequent. It dwindled a bit after 3/4 months. At 6 months it ceased completely. He went into a depression for several weeks and we had no sex for two months. We discussed the issue and agreed that he would stay over once a week and would have intimate time together. For the next few weeks he made excuses 50% of the time, on the days he was due to stay, claiming he was tired or unwell. The frequency of sex is now down to less than once a month. I can't stress how rejected this makes me feel. I don't even get a hug or kiss now - he hasn't touched me for the last three weeks. I am just not sure what to do. He gets very angry about trivial things (with me and with everything) and criticises me a lot. On the other hand he would do anything for me (apart from show any intimacy). He is 50 and has not been in a relationship for longer than 2 years. One girlfriend dumped him due to the lack of sex. Another had affairs due to the lack of sex and dumped him due to his constant criticism of her/plus lack of sex. I have tried to dump him but feel I love him and he is basically a good person. He says that his sex drive is low and dwindles after a few months in all relationships. A friend of mine said "well he only wants sex when it is part of a conquest, an ego boost for him, He can't be bothered now that he knows he has "got" you hooked". I feel this is true. If he feels he is lod=sing me he has sex, but most of the time he just can't be bothered.

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dustythedolphin · 30/05/2013 18:45

lol mrscynical!! The camera was nice!

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Bogeyface · 30/05/2013 19:11

No AF. I think he is emotionally stunted and can't move beyond the initial first flush of lust. He is one of those people who thrive on the adrenalin you get with a new relationship but cant sustain it long term.

OP, has ever done extreme or dangerous sports?

Lovingfreedom · 30/05/2013 19:24

You are considered hot in your locality but you are dating an excessively sweaty guy who is crap in bed and not interested on sex and with whom you feel bad....??

Lovingfreedom · 30/05/2013 19:26

Extreme or dangerous sports...like swimming across the bed without taking a breathe?

Bogeyface · 30/05/2013 19:34

:o

Bogeyface · 30/05/2013 19:36

I asked about the sports because I know someone like this. He does rock climbing, bungee jumping, did some freefalls in the 90's, that sort of thing. He is always seeking the next thrill, and can never last longer than about a year in a relationship because he gets bored. He cant function without regular adrenalin highs.He has split up and got back together with some women several times because when they dump him, he gets that adrenalin and chases them, of course once they are caught he gets fed up again.

dustythedolphin · 30/05/2013 19:41

Oh Lordy Bogey - that sounds familiar!!! His last GF messed him around something rotten, so he constantly chased her as she was "unavailable" (my analysis). He is big into sports - does loads of swimming, yoga, surfing. His faves are surfing and scuba diving.

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dustythedolphin · 30/05/2013 19:45

lovingfreedom - pmsl @ swimming across the bed. Well he does sweat excessively and the bed is soaked....I'm only considered "hot" cos I look after myself/have my own business/mostwomenherelookmorebutchthan themen. He is actually very physically attractive - comes across as a lovely "new man", articulate and friendly, uber-helpful, big car, nice house, loadsa money - he does have his attractions.

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dustythedolphin · 30/05/2013 19:50

Bogey - "He has split up and got back together with some women several times because when they dump him, he gets that adrenalin and chases them, of course once they are caught he gets fed up again."
Oh dear, that sounds like my fella Shock
His history is splitting up with GFs then getting back again.
He "dumps" me every 2/3 months or I "dump" him 'cos I am at the end of my tether. He then gets all clingy and wants to stay overnight for a few weeks, then gets back to his normal sexless self again.
Perhaps I should dump him more often...Hmm
His last GF used to get fed up and announce that she had been asked on a date by someone else and he would get insanely jealous. I think she had a few tricks up her sleeve to keep him on his toes

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Bogeyface · 30/05/2013 19:52

I shall hang up my cod psychology hat now!

Bogeyface · 30/05/2013 19:53

Well you could play the game in order to keep him interested, but it sounds like awfully hard work to me! I would be inclined to move on, and mean it!

AnyFucker · 30/05/2013 19:58

God, I just couldn't be arsed

Haven't you got something better to do ?

MadBusLady · 30/05/2013 20:06

The Hat seems to have done its job, Bogey.

Dusty how big is the pool of men you have access to? Is that part of why you keep pinging back together, that he's the only vaguely non-zoolike single man for twenty miles?

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 30/05/2013 20:10

It sounds like he is great at painting his own facade with the helpfulness, public performance, etc. But the real him is not a catch at all,so his annoyance may stem from having to be "on" all the time and sees nothing wrong with emotional abuse.

Or

The irritation and put downs may be his own self esteem props as he may be a very shallow man indeed.

Or

He is gay and follows the macho script for concealment.

OP, how old are your dc?

Darkesteyes · 30/05/2013 21:07

Bloody hell OP im getting out of breath just reading about him (and not in a good way) He sounds like hard work

Darkesteyes · 30/05/2013 21:10

OP This is a blog post i wrote elsewhere. Sorry for the sloppy cut and paste.

of Loose Women and let Mners have their own show. It would have to be late night but it would get WAY more viewers.

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DarkesteyesMon 27-May-13 00:50:46

'feisty'!

My Mother, Misogyny, Marriage and Me.
​ - Anon

Id like to start by saying thank you for this opportunity to speak out about this. I am an almost 40 year old woman currently living in a sexless marriage.

I met my then future husband in 1992 when I was 19 and he was 42. Being quite young I didn?t have a frame of reference for what sex should be like so when it was just basic penetration and nothing else I truly thought that that was just how it was.

In 1996 he stopped wanting to be with me in that way.

I turned to food. I gained a lot of weight. We were married in 1998.

I was brought up in an extremely closed household and as a Catholic ( a religion I rejected long ago) but I was taught growing up that marriage was what you did. I remember a conversation that took place between my mother and me when I was a teen. I was sounding off about things and said I never wanted to get married. She replied ?Well what are you going to do then - become a nun?? The message that was frequently sold to me was that you did one or the other. I was also quite naïve for 25 and on my wedding day I still thought that the situation would somehow ?right itself?.

And I still had sexual feelings for him at that point.

Over the next few years I gained a lot of weight. In 2002 while working in a sex chatline office I started a healthy eating plan while attending a diet class and over the next eighteen months I managed to lose ten stone. I began to feel incredibly lonely. Its not just the sexual act or the lack of it that is missing in situations like this. It is the loss of affection and emotional closeness that leaves the relationship too.

In June 2003 the day after my 30th birthday I started a new job. It was in that job I met Adam. I began to feel very attracted to him and the feeling was mutual. I asked Stuart to go to counselling. He didn?t want to and said it wasn?t worth it.

I began an affair with *Adam which lasted until January 2008. It was the most eye opening, passionate and exciting time of my life. I finally found out what making love could be like and how wonderful it could be.

I once made the mistake of confiding in my mother. I did this after someone else told me ?She's your mother. Shell understand." My mother told me to stop acting like a whore. I explained that Stuart hadn?t touched me for 7 years and she intimated that was because I was having an affair. But at that point I had only been seeing Adam for 4 months.

I now know that the terminology for what my mother was doing is called gaslighting.

Then she began crying and banging her hand on the arm of the chair demanding that I stay with my husband. It was emotional abuse and blackmail. My mother comes from Italy and was brought up in a different culture. Shaming women for fulfilling their own needs seems to be part of the culture. I do realise though that this may be just my experience.

I should also say at this point that Stuart (my husband) is unaware that this conversation with my mother took place even to this day. I continued my affair with Adam.

In 2006 *Stuart had a massive heart attack and nearly died. He spent over a week in hospital. Just after one visit the staff nurse took me aside and said to me ?He does love you you know. In his own way?. It wasn?t until later on that I was told by another professional that this was a manipulative thing for him to do that I started to wonder why on earth he could talk to a stranger when he couldn?t even talk to me. To this day I still don?t know what he said to that nurse.

I broke off my affair with Adam for a short while to care for Stuart when he came out of hospital.

I carried on with this dual life for about 18 months but something shifted with *Adam in that time. He became verbally abusive towards me. He would shout at me and lose his temper out of the blue. I ended the affair in January 2008. Even though there was bitterness towards the end losing such a big part of my life overnight nearly broke me.

I turned back to food and gained back half the weight id lost.

I coped most of the time and became depressed at other times. And 2 years ago came the catalyst.

In 2011 my parents had an argument over a jewellery receipt my mother found in my fathers room. (when I moved out of my parents home in 1992 my mum moved into my room). A realisation dawned on me that I have ended up in a very similar situation to my dad. I've realised that I've fought so hard not to be like my mum that I've ended up like my dad.

I don?t want to get into my seventies and be in that situation.

I became incredibly depressed and joined a social networking site when I saw a thread on there about women in my situation. It is shocking how common this is. I really thought that this was rare and that I was totally alone. There are more severe cases than mine where there is SEVERE emotional abuse if a woman dares to raise the issue of her partner's choice of lack of intimacy. I started posting on the feminism boards of the same site and discovered feminism at the late age of 38. From talking to other women on forums about this and very similar situations I discovered a very sinister undercurrent in society with regards to this issue. It seems that when it comes to intimacy issues, it is almost always the woman who gets blamed whether it is the man or the woman who is losing or has lost interest -- there is an interesting article which I spotted on the Jezebel website just today which touches upon this issue.

Before 1991 it was perfectly legal for a man to rape his wife. Not only is this a horrific and abhorrent crime, just the fact that this was legal before that date proves that men's needs are more highly prioritised than women's. Thankfully this is now illegal but when it comes to men's needs trumping women's not much has changed. There is STILL an assumption in society that women don?t want or need intimacy or sex . This is absolute rubbish.

I am now back where I was before. I have some weight to lose so have embarked on another healthy eating plan. I feel lonely and lost. I have to lock my needs away. The heart attack left my husband partially disabled. So now he can't be intimate but in the ten years prior to the heart attack he didn?t want to be.

The few people that I have confided in tell me im lucky -- because hes not hitting me or raping me. I used to agree with them.

But since discovering feminism I now disagree with what some of my friends have told me. Yes he's not hitting or raping me. But I am supposed to be grateful? Really???!!! There are many women in this situation whose needs are being ignored and sidelined and if we dare to speak up about it we are slut-shamed or told we don?t need sex (as a GP once told me) -- apparently I don?t need sex if I'm not trying to get pregnant.

There are not many platforms for women in this situation to talk safely about this. This needs to change. I cannot talk to my mother because of her attitude towards women which may come from her culture. Last year when the truth about Jimmy Savile emerged my mother said that the victims should be ashamed for going on TV and talking about it. I was absolutely appalled by her attitude but unfortunately not surprised. I have grown up being exposed to this kind of misogyny and victim-blaming all my life.

But now im eating healthily again and seem to have confronted and dealt with my comfort eating. I don?t know what the future holds but hopefully it will involve me being mentally and emotionally stronger.

Thank you for giving me the platform to share these issues and I hope reading this will help other women in similar situations to see that they are not alone

BigStickBIWI · 30/05/2013 21:17

Do you live together or separately? If the latter, then I'd be tempted to tell him that you love him very much, but that you would prefer to maintain a relationship based on friendship, and that you will find intimacy elsewhere. Sort of call his bluff.

But I would genuinely recommend that this is how you see your relationship with him - as a friend. Because he seriously isn't your lover.

dustythedolphin · 30/05/2013 22:16

Madbuslady: Yep spot on - it is very rural here and most of the males are farmers with a narrow outlook, personal hygiene problems, bad teeth and little head hair :(

Andthebandplayed on: They are 13, 9 and 6. They all adore him by the way, he is always burning DVDs for them and taking them on days out to the beach etc

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dustythedolphin · 30/05/2013 22:22

Darkest - that scenario is so depressing. I was in a sexless marriage for the last eight years. Apart from the few times we had sex to try and conceive our youngest we had no sex for eight years. And now I have ended up in the same feckin situation. With DH it was different though, as we sort of stopped fancying each other and it was mutual. With the newish BF I still fancy him like mad :(

Bigstick - I may well resort to that. In fact I did suggest it and we agreed we would just be friends, but then he clung onto me like mad for the next few weeks. He says he doesn't feel it is fair on me to be in a sexless relationship but that he just never thinks about sex or wants it anymore. That his sex drive has reduced drastically in the last 10 years (he is 50).

I am tempted to just carry on and see if I can meet other men, discreetly. I have met a couple through POF, though they were nice it didn't progress to anything. I feel I need to spread my wings and increase my support network so I am strong enough to stand on my own two feet

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dustythedolphin · 30/05/2013 22:29

Bigstick - we live seperately. After 20 years of marriage I am in no hurry to live with another man.

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starfishmummy · 30/05/2013 22:37

Do you think he might have a health or addiction problem that is causing the excessive sweAting and lack of libido?

BelleDameSansMerci · 30/05/2013 22:41

I don't think his age is completely relevant - sorry... My BF is 50 and, while he's no 25 year old, it doesn't seem to stop either the desire or the ability. I think he is using this as another "excuse".

I've been in a relationship with someone who sounds like your chap - so much so I wondered if it could be him. Once you are out, you will wonder why you were ever with him.

He's not called Simon, is he? Confused

dustythedolphin · 30/05/2013 22:43

Starfish - he complains often of feeling under the weather. I was googling psoriasis one day and it is associated with a poor immune system. Not sure if that skin condition is related to the excessive sweating.

He was a virgin until 29 and says he only had regular sex with one girlfriend. He has never had a relationship longer than two years, in part due to the sex issue.

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AnyFucker · 30/05/2013 22:44

My H is 50

nothing wrong with his sex drive and nothing wrong with his respect for mine

no excuse whatsoever

dustythedolphin · 30/05/2013 22:45

Belle, no he's not your Simon hee hee. What happened with him, it may give me some insight?

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