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Is it time to call it a day on this sexless marriage?

50 replies

shaggytuna · 28/05/2013 09:11

I just feel so sad about the whole thing, both for myself and my DH. He has never had a high sex drive but in the last 6 years we have had sex twice and it doesn't bother him one bit. He has been to the doctor and it isn't physical, he is unwilling to go for counselling, basically as he doesn't feel it's an issue in his life. I on the other hand am dying inside, my self esteem is shot, I feel vile, unattractive and pointless. He is a good man otherwise and tells me he loves me and promises to try and show a bit more affection and is devistated when I tell him how it makes me feel, but it never comes to anything. I'm just scared of leaving.

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purplewithred · 28/05/2013 09:16

Have you been for counselling on your own? Relate will help out (their focus will be on helping you, not on saving the marriage if it's the wrong thing for you).

Leaving is scary but to be honest I can imagine a scenario where you meet someone else and have an affair - much more damaging to you and to your DH.

Mollydoggerson · 28/05/2013 09:16

Leave. You don't want to be on your deathbed thinking why the flip didn't I run when I could have. Each day is a gift and if you feel depressed each day because of this, then change it.

shaggytuna · 28/05/2013 09:24

I hadn't thought about going for counselling alone. I worry that I am too damaged to ever let anyone close again. It has been so hard being rejected by someone I thought I was going to spend my life with.

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hellonewworld · 28/05/2013 09:26

Wether you leave or have further counselling or leave, something has got to change, this is clearly an unhealthy marriage for you to be in right now. Would he agree to counselling alone? Would you go to counselling alone? Have you ruled out any reason behind such as an affair? Although I hate to say it. It is not fair on you and it is affecting your self esteem and that is awful.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 28/05/2013 09:29

Have you discussed having an open relationship? Or isn't that something you would want?

shaggytuna · 28/05/2013 09:43

There is no affair, he never goes out without me except to work. He has admintted that sex would feel awkward and he doesn't see it as an important part of our relationship. It wasn't always so dire, but I always initiated sex until he started turning over onto his stomach when I would go to cuddle him. I just don't feel like a women anymore I don't even know how I would feel if he wanted to have sex. God I sound so depressed, I am a strong person in all other parts of my life I have great DC and have a lot to be greatful for. I think it is such a personal problem that I haven't taked to anyone in RL as I don't want anyone to think badly of DH which makes it a very lonley problem. I am not comfortable with an open relationship even if he agreed, complicated is not what I'm after..

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shaggytuna · 28/05/2013 10:04

Thanks everyone. I have just looked a relate and they offer counselling by email. I didn't realise they offered this service. It may be something DH would feel comfortable with. Worth a try?

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PearlyWhites · 28/05/2013 13:49

Yes definitely you should do everything you can to save your marriage, I hope your dh agrees to it.

EnviablePins · 28/05/2013 16:36

OP, I was in exactly this same situation a couple of years ago. I was 36 when it finally became unbearable, after 5 years with no sex/attention/intimacy. I felt dried up, wasted, and so sad. Sex is really important to me, and like yours my husband had never had a high sex drive (although quite high when we got together and made a commitment), and it had dwindled to nothing. He also admitted he had no interest in sex at all and how we were wasn't a problem for him.

I am not ashamed to say I had a few sexual encounters with other men. I don't believe it is cheating if you're not taking away something the other person has any interest in. I know many people will disagree with that, btw, but I firmly believe it. In fact, I think it's a much worse thing to do, to withdraw sex from a marriage with no attempt to make any effort to get it back. What I did gave me the courage to make the break, and helped me see I am still desirable and have a lot to offer; something my husband had eroded over the years of dryness and neglect.

Anyway, two years later, my husband and I are amicably separated. He admitted all blame for the situation, apologised, said he understood why I couldn't stay with him any more. I am in a new relationship with someone who needs sex and intimacy as much as I do, and I have no regrets at all. Maybe just wishing I had done it sooner.

It would be great for your sake if your husband agrees to counselling and you find a solution, but if not, please don't waste your life feeling sad and resenting him, when there is so much happiness to be found.

arequipa · 28/05/2013 16:42

When you think about leaving, what exactly is it you're scared of?
Are you scared of staying and being stuck like this forever too?

shaggytuna · 28/05/2013 16:48

I must admit to thinking about an affair just to feel something. I'm scared of staying and scared of leaving. It all just feels like such a mess and such a waste. I'm 37 this year.

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Darkesteyes · 28/05/2013 16:59

shaggy i am in a similar situation to you.

Enviable i totally agree with you. when it comes to marriage vows people cant pout and just pick and choose the vows they want to keep and then leave the rest.

Darkesteyes · 28/05/2013 17:05

OP this a blog post i wrote for another website a month ago. Sorry for the sloppy cut and paste I c and pd it from another thread on here where i posted it the other day.
In this situation things really dont get better.

of Loose Women and let Mners have their own show. It would have to be late night but it would get WAY more viewers.

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DarkesteyesMon 27-May-13 00:50:46

'feisty'!

My Mother, Misogyny, Marriage and Me.
​ - Anon

Id like to start by saying thank you for this opportunity to speak out about this. I am an almost 40 year old woman currently living in a sexless marriage.

I met my then future husband in 1992 when I was 19 and he was 42. Being quite young I didn?t have a frame of reference for what sex should be like so when it was just basic penetration and nothing else I truly thought that that was just how it was.

In 1996 he stopped wanting to be with me in that way.

I turned to food. I gained a lot of weight. We were married in 1998.

I was brought up in an extremely closed household and as a Catholic ( a religion I rejected long ago) but I was taught growing up that marriage was what you did. I remember a conversation that took place between my mother and me when I was a teen. I was sounding off about things and said I never wanted to get married. She replied ?Well what are you going to do then - become a nun?? The message that was frequently sold to me was that you did one or the other. I was also quite naïve for 25 and on my wedding day I still thought that the situation would somehow ?right itself?.

And I still had sexual feelings for him at that point.

Over the next few years I gained a lot of weight. In 2002 while working in a sex chatline office I started a healthy eating plan while attending a diet class and over the next eighteen months I managed to lose ten stone. I began to feel incredibly lonely. Its not just the sexual act or the lack of it that is missing in situations like this. It is the loss of affection and emotional closeness that leaves the relationship too.

In June 2003 the day after my 30th birthday I started a new job. It was in that job I met Adam. I began to feel very attracted to him and the feeling was mutual. I asked Stuart to go to counselling. He didn?t want to and said it wasn?t worth it.

I began an affair with *Adam which lasted until January 2008. It was the most eye opening, passionate and exciting time of my life. I finally found out what making love could be like and how wonderful it could be.

I once made the mistake of confiding in my mother. I did this after someone else told me ?She's your mother. Shell understand." My mother told me to stop acting like a whore. I explained that Stuart hadn?t touched me for 7 years and she intimated that was because I was having an affair. But at that point I had only been seeing Adam for 4 months.

I now know that the terminology for what my mother was doing is called gaslighting.

Then she began crying and banging her hand on the arm of the chair demanding that I stay with my husband. It was emotional abuse and blackmail. My mother comes from Italy and was brought up in a different culture. Shaming women for fulfilling their own needs seems to be part of the culture. I do realise though that this may be just my experience.

I should also say at this point that Stuart (my husband) is unaware that this conversation with my mother took place even to this day. I continued my affair with Adam.

In 2006 *Stuart had a massive heart attack and nearly died. He spent over a week in hospital. Just after one visit the staff nurse took me aside and said to me ?He does love you you know. In his own way?. It wasn?t until later on that I was told by another professional that this was a manipulative thing for him to do that I started to wonder why on earth he could talk to a stranger when he couldn?t even talk to me. To this day I still don?t know what he said to that nurse.

I broke off my affair with Adam for a short while to care for Stuart when he came out of hospital.

I carried on with this dual life for about 18 months but something shifted with *Adam in that time. He became verbally abusive towards me. He would shout at me and lose his temper out of the blue. I ended the affair in January 2008. Even though there was bitterness towards the end losing such a big part of my life overnight nearly broke me.

I turned back to food and gained back half the weight id lost.

I coped most of the time and became depressed at other times. And 2 years ago came the catalyst.

In 2011 my parents had an argument over a jewellery receipt my mother found in my fathers room. (when I moved out of my parents home in 1992 my mum moved into my room). A realisation dawned on me that I have ended up in a very similar situation to my dad. I've realised that I've fought so hard not to be like my mum that I've ended up like my dad.

I don?t want to get into my seventies and be in that situation.

I became incredibly depressed and joined a social networking site when I saw a thread on there about women in my situation. It is shocking how common this is. I really thought that this was rare and that I was totally alone. There are more severe cases than mine where there is SEVERE emotional abuse if a woman dares to raise the issue of her partner's choice of lack of intimacy. I started posting on the feminism boards of the same site and discovered feminism at the late age of 38. From talking to other women on forums about this and very similar situations I discovered a very sinister undercurrent in society with regards to this issue. It seems that when it comes to intimacy issues, it is almost always the woman who gets blamed whether it is the man or the woman who is losing or has lost interest -- there is an interesting article which I spotted on the Jezebel website just today which touches upon this issue.

Before 1991 it was perfectly legal for a man to rape his wife. Not only is this a horrific and abhorrent crime, just the fact that this was legal before that date proves that men's needs are more highly prioritised than women's. Thankfully this is now illegal but when it comes to men's needs trumping women's not much has changed. There is STILL an assumption in society that women don?t want or need intimacy or sex . This is absolute rubbish.

I am now back where I was before. I have some weight to lose so have embarked on another healthy eating plan. I feel lonely and lost. I have to lock my needs away. The heart attack left my husband partially disabled. So now he can't be intimate but in the ten years prior to the heart attack he didn?t want to be.

The few people that I have confided in tell me im lucky -- because hes not hitting me or raping me. I used to agree with them.

But since discovering feminism I now disagree with what some of my friends have told me. Yes he's not hitting or raping me. But I am supposed to be grateful? Really???!!! There are many women in this situation whose needs are being ignored and sidelined and if we dare to speak up about it we are slut-shamed or told we don?t need sex (as a GP once told me) -- apparently I don?t need sex if I'm not trying to get pregnant.

There are not many platforms for women in this situation to talk safely about this. This needs to change. I cannot talk to my mother because of her attitude towards women which may come from her culture. Last year when the truth about Jimmy Savile emerged my mother said that the victims should be ashamed for going on TV and talking about it. I was absolutely appalled by her attitude but unfortunately not surprised. I have grown up being exposed to this kind of misogyny and victim-blaming all my life.

But now im eating healthily again and seem to have confronted and dealt with my comfort eating. I don?t know what the future holds but hopefully it will involve me being mentally and emotionally stronger.

Thank you for giving me the platform to share these issues and I hope reading this will help other women in similar situations to see that they are not alone

ClartyCarol · 28/05/2013 17:33

OP ...I can't see any other way to resolve your situation than to leave. In time you will meet someone else wirh whom you are more compatible.

Darkest Eyes ..leave.

SueDnym · 28/05/2013 17:40

If he's not willing to try counselling of any kind, then you really already know what you need to do. You have my utmost sympathy.

Ilikethebreeze · 28/05/2013 17:42

He is being selfish imo.
It matters to you, so it should also matter hugely to him too. So he should try and fix it.

It isnt going to hurt him is it?
So the question becomes why he hasnt done much about it.
His pride
His religion
He doesnt want to unearth something from his past.

What is stopping him

I would start asking him questions. I dont think you have anything to lose any more, even if he gets very upset and hurt.

Darkesteyes · 28/05/2013 18:41

OP You might find this an interesting read.

www.selfsagacity.com/2012/01/3-phases-of-sexless-relationship-slow.html

cronullansw · 28/05/2013 19:30

It is possible for you to keep the marriage, not disrupt the kids lives and fulfill your needs without having an affair with all that emotional entanglement.

Sex does exist outside of marriage, and outside of affairs and commitment too. It has for thousands of years. It will in the future. I can guarantee some of your friends have done it. Treat it like going to the gym for a workout, it could be solution to your dilemma.

shaggytuna · 28/05/2013 19:37

Thank you all. Darkesteyes that article could have been written about me. Although I find it hard to think of it as abuse as I do think he loves me and non if this is his intention. Before I posted I guess i already knew there wasn't a happy outcome for any of this but I need to finish this so I can move on and start living. I will contact relate and arrange counselling with or without him.

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shaggytuna · 28/05/2013 19:45

Cron? It's hard to explain how unattractive I feel and opening myself up for rejection is just not an option. In my more rational moments I know I'm still a fairly attractive women but it is learnt behaviour after all these years that no man will want me.

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tallwivglasses · 28/05/2013 19:47

I love the fact that people are suggesting you do everything to save your marriage - great. But what exactly has he done? He won't even go to councelling!

Please sort this out one way or another soon before it destroys you. I speak from experience x

cronullansw · 28/05/2013 20:13

Tuna.......

That attitude is so self defeating - and well you know it. If you tell yourself you are crap, then you will be crap.

You know this, so you have to get up and fight for yourself. xxx

untouchable · 28/05/2013 20:36

Would be really grateful to find out how the counselling goes tuna. Same situ 6 years, no contact.

Darkesteyes · 28/05/2013 21:25

i am so sorry to see many other women going through the same thing. I too lost my confidence for a while and went back to comfort eating. But i have been on a low sugar low carb eating plan for six weeks and have lost about 10 pounds (estimation going by my clothes) and it has done wonders for my confidence and has made me feel a bit more upbeat.
TallWivGlasses i totally agree. I wish i could say how surprising it is that people are still buying into ""its a woman that holds a marriage/family together"" without asking what the man is doing to try and salvage things but due to my experiences i am not surprised at all.

Selba · 28/05/2013 23:58

Darkesteyes I always enjoy your posts.
That one made me cry.
Will you leave ?