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Am I being unreasonable to be falling in love in this situation?

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NotDead · 20/05/2013 17:15

Hello,

I am a bloke asking for advice. I am confused by the signals from a woman I have always fancied, but with whom we have set our relationship up as almost friends, but with a tension in it that just doesn't fit friendship. She is 15 years younger than me and I first met her when she was about 21. I liked her very much the first time we talked, but I was always very conscious of a professional relationship between us. We chatted away and got on about things that are rare for me to share with people. She is not the type who jumps into relationships - in fact she had a 6 year relationship with someone who seemed dramatically unlike the person one would expect her to be with (she is really interesting, into alternative music and dressing differently - he was Mr straight and dull) She is the type to talk a great deal about sex with me - certain things I would like to try, she would also like to try. I, of course, am desperate to do them with her, and yet she seems more generally interested. Try as I might to be sensitive about entering into physical contact, though, she seems to give me so few signals that I can never be sure whether she wants anything from me or not, but I am crazy about her. Partly I know this is down to my tendency to only really make a move on women when I am a few glasses down - whereas I think she sees being too drunk as a less genuine state and so that situation - of mutual inhibition loss - is less likely. I worried that the age gap was too much and so was always looking for signals from her. These seem to come partially - in the sense we talk online after long gaps of not seeing or speaking to each other - but not fully - in the sense that when we meet, I am dying to make physical contact/kiss etc, but we never do. I saw her for a weekend recently and she said beforehand that she would put me up in her living room. Perhaps I was being too gentlemanly but when we got back I said I was happy with that, but in reality I wanted desperately to spend the night in her bed with her - though I know getting it together with someone you really like as opposed to just vaguely fancy is always difficult and probably more so with this age gap.

Our relationship in between these meetings got a bit distant partly because of geographical distance, and partly because of lot of negative stuff in my life that meant I found it difficult to share. With her, I felt that the last things she needed was a friend with difficulties. I have noticed though that as soon as she split up with her long term boyfriend, she contacted me - but I was deep in family bereavement and unable to really connect with anyone.

In that interim time, to my sadness and yes, jealousy, I found that she had been dating someone older than me. This made me feel so sad, as it sort of suggested a. that age wasn't the issue I thought and b that perhaps our 'thing' had opened up the possibility of older men to her.

On our last meet-up - ostensibly as friends - when I look back, she asked me how many people I have slept with, we talked about how she wants a baby before she is 30, about where her career might go and about how my being in a good relationship could help me get what I want out of life - all things that on reflection sound so much like she wants me too that the lack of signals I can trust just confuses me more. I sometimes wonder if I have been spoilt by seeing women who are more confident about approaching men.

Anyway, the thing is that after our last weekend together I was both incredibly sad to be leaving her, but also elated. I finally realised that I was falling in love with her - or at least, I was finding it hard not to want to talk to her every five minutes - I have thought about her every day since. I kinda broke discipline and confessed to her that I fantasise about her sexually - partly because I know she has particular fantasies that we discussed - but partly because I think a conventional 'love' approach might be too uncomfortable for her - but secretly I have more fantasies like this than I do sexual ones. I think that through this, and some silly self-ridiculing boasting when we first met, she thinks me not serious. I suspect also that some of her male friends have warned her off me - but with their own agenda. I don't really know what advice I am looking for, but I can't work her out and perhaps you can help me? Of course, in the state I am in, not being able to work her out makes me giddy with even more appreciation for her - I've got it bad haven't I?!:)

Any advice seriously welcome. :(

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FairhairedandFrustrated · 20/05/2013 20:23

You still haven't said what your relationship with her was. In what way was she a client where you worked?

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NotDead · 20/05/2013 20:25

btw not MLC more 'not started yet'. I have been trying for years to find someone I can relate to better that the usual crew of boring samey high street shoppers - for some reason I attract that type but I quickly tire of them - In fact I have just lost out in the numbers game - the really great women stayed friends, but had relationships with other people. I had a few relationships where I was unsatisfied professionally and didn't quite know how to share that pain without feeling like I wasn't able to give them the lifestyle they would have with someone more in their league, so I let them go rather than make them stay with me because i thought that would be miserable for them (it sort of happened to my mother) to be with someone resenting their place in the world.

With this woman, I get a feeling that nothing would matter if we were together - of course she could find a guy who could better help her realise her ambitions and I think in some ways she has been trying to do that, but what I can give her that the others can't is a feeling that she is fantastic as she is - the wealthier types that also are attracted to her leave her feeling like she is always wrong in who she is, what she believes etc etc. so I think on balance I am better for her.

Sadly I was the type who was perhaps too much 'if you love someone set them free' and that gave women I saw earlier in my life the feeling I didn't care perhaps - or perhaps they just did deserve better - we only have one life and I do tend to like exceptional women.. or perhaps they all feel exceptional to me. Anyway I want to be the person I am inside - the person who has a lifetime love with someone they feel close to, have kids with, have grandkids with etc its just that life, so far hasn't allowed that to happen - it makes me sad, but not a guaranteed sinister person and its actually quite upsetting that a few of you so quickly blame me like this :(

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Back2Two · 20/05/2013 20:27

I think, OP that the answer to your thread title is YES.
YABU to "fall in love" in this situation because it just sounds as though it's not just the sexual aspect that you are imagining ....you are letting your imagination run away when there is very little evidence that she feels the same way as you. Of course, we can't always fall in love at the right time and with the right person...but I think (at your age) it would be smarter to find out exactly what IS going on instead of insisting to yourself that you are missing all the signs.

Maybe the signs just aren't there and you need to respect that. Not respecting that means that you are NOT her friend and you are acting creepily.

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Alliwantisaroomsomewhere · 20/05/2013 20:29

Just bloody ask her out! If she wants to go out with you, she will; if she does not, then she won't.

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AnyFucker · 20/05/2013 20:30

What romantic tomfoolery is this ?

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Sh1ney · 20/05/2013 20:31

A ha ha ha.

Do stop mooning around like some daffy teenager. You'll be quoting Keats next.

Man the fuck up, princess* and stop with all the Sad Sad faces. She quite rightly should give you a swerve.

*not mine.

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Mumsyblouse · 20/05/2013 20:32

I read this very differently, it clearly says in your post that she likes to talk about sex with you, so unless this is not true and all the talk comes from you, then I think the problem here is that you are the safe pair of hands, the guy who she loves having around likes flirting and discussing fantasies with, but perhaps isn't thinking of in romantic terms. Only you know how much she initiates these conversations, I cannot tell from your OP.

There's only one way to lance this boil, and that's to declare yourself. Very directly. Saying you want to have sex together is not that declaration, someone who I really felt I had an amazing bond with once said that to me and it killed my interest completely. You must must be very straightforward in this situation, ask her out to dinner, say you felt a complete idiot for what you said because you were hoping for a relationship. If she umms and ahhhs, doesn't seem keen but then carries on wanting a fun friend with whom to discuss fantasies and get ego strokes from, then move off from this situation, it's not great for either of you and you will not get a relationship anyway.

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cherhorowitz · 20/05/2013 20:32

Get a grip. You are not being victimised or blamed for anything other than not clearly stating how you feel to this woman. You do sound rather needy and a little arrogant. You are not better than these "wealthier types". Not all people are the same and just because these people weren't right for her doesn't mean that you are or that one won't be in the future.

Surely if you were the perfect man for her and have been as close as you say to her she would have realised there could be something by now? You've openly told her you want to fuck her and still...nothing. It's not up to you to make the first move, you know, it's rather collaborative with both people offering something.

You also sound like you put women on a pedestal. It's all par for the course as some women like this and some don't but I'd really refrain from putting someone you openly told you want to fuck in a cafe who hasn't responded to you with equal gusto about your sexual session on a pedestal like this. You sound a little obsessed with a woman who is not on the same page.

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BOF · 20/05/2013 20:32

Nobody is "blaming" you for being sinister.

We are actually giving you some useful honest feedback about where you are likely to be going wrong. There's no point beating about the bush with the wrong end of the stick, is there?

Can you clarify the service-client role (broadly)? I think it makes a difference.

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NotDead · 20/05/2013 20:32

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Wuldric · 20/05/2013 20:32

You sound like a fantasist, tbh. Which is not a good prospect for a gal.

Get down to earth, stop all this hyper-emotional giff-gaff and ask her out. If she says yes, then try giving a real relationship a go. If she says no, stop building castles in the air.

To be honest, I don't hold out much hope for you. If she wanted to sleep with you, trust me, she would have done so by now. So all the signs are not right. But still, if it stops you being quite such a drooling imbecile, then that has to be good.

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MorrisZapp · 20/05/2013 20:33

The form is, you have a couple of beers then lean in for a snog. Her reaction will tell you all you need to know.

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AnyFucker · 20/05/2013 20:34

That's not very gentlemanly ! Shock

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BOF · 20/05/2013 20:36

Suit yourself mate. You did ask.

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AnyFucker · 20/05/2013 20:37

These medium-rate burners are quite good value, I find

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Mumsyblouse · 20/05/2013 20:38

Notdead we are quite blunt round here and I have said the very same thing to many male friends- be up front, if hanging around hinting hasn't worked. This is standard female friend advice, don't get so arsey about it, it's the kick up the backside you need!

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claudedebussy · 20/05/2013 20:39

go for it.

mooning around like this is likely to end the friendship at some point so you might as well see if you're in with a chance.

she's probably wondering what the hell is wrong with her that you haven't made a move yet!

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cherhorowitz · 20/05/2013 20:40

There are websites where you can send in a photo and get it made into a pillow. I know this is another level of creepy but I think the line may just be behind you and at least it'll keep you warm on those cold nights while you wait to die alone.

I'm kidding. A bit. I do think you need to have a good scratch of your balls and man up a bit though. You're making me depressed for this poor girl. Do you find she ignores your texts and calls for a little while before replying? Gin

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Meringue33 · 20/05/2013 20:41

Think ^^ Mumsyblouse had it right.

When I was young and dumb and 21 I didn't talk about sex to guys I didn't want to go there with. So I reckon she does at least fancy you back, and is waiting for you to make the next move.

But I also reckon the relationship has no chance of success unless you (a) make that move (b) conquer the issue of low self esteem you seem to have. Seriously, everyone deserves a relationship, most women don't give a toss about professional success. Stop "letting them go", that's just an excuse to end it early because of your insecurities in case they end it later. You may wish to get counselling or something else to help you with this.

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KittyVonCatsworth · 20/05/2013 20:42

Maybe this is the girl for you ND ;-)

m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg7erbQkdUg

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NotDead · 20/05/2013 20:47

:) ok ok..

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NotDead · 20/05/2013 20:53

Also cherhorowitz I can spot the crap emotional bullying 'sign' of 'does she ignore texts and calls for a little while' - of course she does sometimes, we are both busy professionals not sitting around twirling the phone cord!

Shame on you for implying a delay means she hates me! That's cheerleader stuff!

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AnyFucker · 20/05/2013 20:55

cher is trying to help you, don't be so prickly

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cherhorowitz · 20/05/2013 20:58

Hates you? You are a little emotive here and projecting a little. Nobody said she hated you but she may need to psych herself up for a long conversation with you. Do you usually converse about sex, emotional things or professional and day to day things? It's all very telling as to whether she actually likes you or not.

I'm sure there's a delay in texts due to work but when you're free I'm sure you text right back. Does she? That is all I meant.

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