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Playdate etiquette with unknown schoolfriends

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TigerMoth1 · 24/01/2002 16:50

Can any of you help me here?

To help my 7 year old settle in his new school, I would like to invite some of his friends round for tea - just one at a time, for a couple of hours at the weekend every now and again.

My problem is this: I am unsure of the etiquette. I do not know the children or the parents, and it will take months before I am likely to, as I only drop my son off at school once a week at 8.30, and then have to rush off to work. I am trying to be actively involved in school life and the PTA etc but without regular daily contact, I realise it's going to take time for my face to be familiar.

In the meantime, my son is making friends, and the headmaster himself has suggested it would be nice if I help further those friendships for my son's sake.

But what to do? If my son was invited to visit virtual strangers, I might be a little concerned. I might want to be at least on nodding terms with his hosts before letting him visit alone. So if I start issueing invites, via a note to the parents, will I get lots of polite no's?

Also, I have no idea who my son's friends are. They may come from very stict families, or perhaps don't play that well with my son, even though he wants to join their gang. I would feel slightly nervous about taking an unknown out, say, to a film, especially as I would also have my two year old son to look after. I know, looking at my son's present friends, that two 7-year old boys together can be a bit of a handful.

I have never encountered this situation before, since my son has a good number of out-of-school friends - the offspring of our own friends, as well as the local friends he has made when he plays out.

I am happy to make the first move, and my concerns might be unfounded, but any tips on etiquette would be appreciated.

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Cfr · 24/01/2002 17:17

Why not invite the mum to stay for the first time, so that you can get to know her a bit first? If you're not sure who your son's friends are, his class teacher will certainly be able to help you there.

I agree though about not leaving a child with people that you don't know - I had a horrible, frightening experience last year, and I am now very wary about where my children go. I certainly wouldn't let them go to a house where I hadn't got to know the parents (although I was much more trusting before last year).

Another thing you could try is meeting up at the park for an hour or so. That way, you could see how the children get on and get to know the parent/s.

sml · 24/01/2002 17:27

Tigermoth, I think your concerns are pretty valid, could you be late to work for a few days while you cast an eye over your son's little pals, and get to know their parents?

robinw · 24/01/2002 18:42

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janh · 24/01/2002 21:29

Tigermoth, I think CFR's idea of inviting the mum in the first time covers all the bases - unless the mum works a lot of hours in which case you might be struggling? Does your son know whose mum works and whose doesn't?

Are there any school social events coming up? Quiz nights or whatever? Then you could ask the teacher to point you towards the appropriate parents? (And have you asked the enthusiastic head for tips about the relevant families?)

I think it's great that your son is at the stage of wanting to invite friends round already. I hope it all works out well!

mollipops · 25/01/2002 08:00

Ask your son who his "best friend" is, or ask his teacher which child/ren he gets along with best. Then you could send a note to a parent via the teacher, giving your name and number, saying your sons seem to be good friends and you'd like them to play together sometime. Ask her to call you at a convenient time, and maybe you can arrange to meet for the first time on a weekend, or at neutral territory, like the park or (dare I say it) McD's!!! That way she is not put "on the spot" but can make contact when she feels comfortable and you have still made the first move. If she goes to the school regularly for drop off and pick ups she may well "know" your son anyway, or at least her son probably has talked about him at home. I think it might be a good starting point...what do you think?

callie · 25/01/2002 09:31

Tigermoth,Why not have a small party. It doen't have to be for his birthday it could be a getting to know everyone party.
If you don't want the hassle of having it at home then why not at a wacky warehouse or a local Macdonalds. It could take place on a saturday so working parents will come. If they want to stay they can and this gives the bonus of chatting to you but if they want to just drop their child off that is fine also. They will still have seen and spoken to you on arriving and leaving.
I would invite all the boys in the class though just to save anyone feeling left out.
This way you can see for yourself who your son is most friendly with and aproach the parent when they come to pick him up. Perhaps them making arragments for the following weekend to go the pics and bowling.

ChanelNo5 · 25/01/2002 10:01

Tigermoth, I was going to make a similar suggestion to Callie's, would be a good chance to meet the Mums, although it can be expensive (I should know my eldest ds had his birthday party at one and invited all the boys in his class plus a few extra friends - second mortgage time!) Perhaps, if you do get a few boys together at the sametime, it would be better out of your house as they do tend to 'run like wolves' and be very silly IME! What about organising a mums and sons bowling event for one Saturday, would also be a good chance to find out which of the mums you really get on with. Hope you can arrange something soon and glad to hear ds is settling into his new school.

helenmc · 25/01/2002 13:09

I'm just in the process of organising a parents curry night out - why not something similar ?? I felt a bit scared at first that no-one would want to go out , but I was almost pounced on when I suggested it one night!!! get a few names off your son and then you can have a chat with their parents and arrange visits if you both fee happy.

TigerMoth1 · 25/01/2002 14:13

Thanks for all your replies. By the time I had finished typing my message, I had almost convinced myself that I was making a mountain out of a molehill, and I would find a lot of you saying 'come one Tigermoth, don't be such a wuss', only more politely of course. Thank goodness I pressed the post message button, otherwise my son's friend's parents may well have received a note next week from me - aka person unknown.

I think it does get harder the older they are. I am getting past the special-trip-to-the-playground stage with my son, so as a neutral meeting place it isn't such a winner - and it's difficult to arrange too long in advance at the moment because of the weather. An easier option in the summer.

My son has given me an idea of who his friends are, and I know the two most talked-about by face already. What I don't know is how well they play together, so I will ask the teacher about this aspect. We had a nighmare situation at my son's old school. It was only when my son invited a certain 'best friend' his birthday party, that I realised how badly they wound each other up and egged each other on - and realised in a flash why this friend's mother had refused two playdate invitations. She had the benefit of seeing them play together after school each day. Anyway, that was my first and last attempt to date at engineering a social life for my son via school.

Anyway, I like Mollipops suggestion of sending out notes to the parents asking them to phone me about a possible meeting for the boys and us. As you say, by putting the ball in their court, they are not put on the spot.

Cfr and Janh, as you say, I think it's also a very good idea to invite the mother to stay for the first time, it will help stop any fears on her behalf. If I do this, I'll keep the playdate short. I'd find it bit daunting having to entertain a strange adult as well as a strange child. And when the school has a social event, I'll definitely get the teacher to point me in the direction of the appropriate parents - thanks Janh.

Sml -as for taking my son to school more often, I am trying to do this - actually, I am trying to adjust my working hours permanently to make this possible - but then I'll be getting back home even later in the evening, sigh!

Robinw - that's a very valid point you make about not finding my son's friend's parents on the PTA.

(Ps Robin, my son did not get a computer, but he may soon get internet access - as I hopefully will - via my old laptop. And the new school has lots of computers as well. Dh is fighting the prospect of having a computer in the house, but knows it's a losing battle)

Callie and ChanelNo5, I like the party idea, too - my son's birthday is in the spring so I might wait till then. I will definitely invite his school friends to any bash we hold. Possibly as Callie says, I will invite all the boys in his class, if I am feeling brave enough and get lots of help. As Helen says, I can go the parent route first and organsise a small parent's social bash. I may do this when I feel I know peopel a little better.

Also, do you find you make unfortunate snap judgements about the parents you see when collecting your children. I often find myself thinking so-and-so looks nice, not like that hard-faced one over there. I may start chatting to the nice friendly parent only to see them later hugging their teeny tiny year 1 child who has nothing in common with my 7 year old, while the unfriendly-looking one is the mother of my sons favourite classmate.

Anyway thanks again for replying. Any more comments, keep them coming.

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salalex · 25/01/2002 16:35

hello Tigermoth, I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels like that at the school gate! I think I must be paranoid, thinking they all know each other and I have no one to talk to , as I pick my daughter up only once a week. I think there's some good ideas here. I sent a letter of invite to children when my daughter started school and it's much easier than ringing up.goos luck - hope you all make some friends soon.

IDismyname · 25/01/2002 19:25

Can I be very rude and pose another playtime etiquette question....?? Apologies to TigerMoth1...
Ds has a friend at playgroup whose mum is always asking if my son can go over and play. I have agreed on several occasions, and the boys get on so well together. Trouble is, every time I ask if this little boy would like to come and play at our house, it's politely refused. I'm getting a bit of a complex about it, feeling that I obviously look like an unfit mum or something! There seem no way to balance out the situation. The other mum has come over to our house with her son a couple of times, but she seems unwilling to have me around when she has my son.
I'm sure that my son is safe, and that there's nothing untoward going on, but I just hate having a lobsided arrangement.
I don't want to call a halt to it all, as my son would be really sad not to see his friend.
Has anyone else had this problem, or can you advise?
Thanks!

MadMaz · 25/01/2002 20:33

Fms - I think I might be a bit suspicious about not being included in the invitation when she expects to come to your house on each occasions. Though there could be unthreatening reasons - eg is your house better/tidier than hers (embarrassment factor). Other reasons for not leaving her son at yours alone is that playgroup age children can be difficult. 1. The mum doesn't trust her son to behave without her outside her own house 2. that there are other siblings in her house and if she's minding 2 or 3 kids what's one more 3. he may be reluctant to stay at some one else's house without his mum, but she doesn't yet want to admit this when your child quite happily goes elsewhere.
Try to get to know the mum more then you might get an insight to her parenting approach and whether there are any problems.
Tigermoth you are right to be cautious. I have found that even through casual contact at the gates in the morning it is not necessarily the best basis for finding out whether a parent is on your wavelength. Over the past couple of terms at school I have revised my opinions of certain parents - both upwards and downwards - as time and experience/incidents have occurred and seeing their reaction to certain things etc. I would go for inviting a child and parent round to play or go to adventure centre eg rascals, tigers eye or something like that - the "phone me" idea is great, and with the teacher's advice as to the "good" influence children etc

robinw · 26/01/2002 00:18

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KMG · 26/01/2002 19:41

fms - I'm not sure I can advise you, but just to add my experience. My two sons are 2.5 and 4.5, so have had quite a lot of 'playdates' between them. I find by far the best relationship are built, between children, and between the parents, when everything is balanced equally. We have some friends who just come here to us - this makes sense, because my two boys can be rather rowdy, and we have plenty of space and a large garden, some of their friends just have a small flat. But, in the long run, this just doesn't feel very healthy. I think it is much better if it can be a two-way thing.

So I think you are right to have hesitations - does your son have another friend at playgroup he could invite round instead?

Inkpen · 26/01/2002 21:55

Glad to find that others have problems with playdate/schoolgate etiquette! Thought it was just me being a social disaster. My problem is that my ds has his 5th birthday soon and I'm desperately trying to work out who to invite - if I ask him, he just names the entire class. I know his two or three closest friends but I'm currently reduced to lurking round the playground trying to put together children he talks about and parents I chat to (hoping, of course, that they go together!). I really don't want to invite the entire class. Or is it easier to do that? And do you say on the invites whether it's a dump-em-and-run party or provide nibbles for adults in the hope that they'll stay and you can do some networking?

helenmc · 26/01/2002 22:18

At my dd 5th birthday a lot of mums stayed because their kids didn't want to be left. It is easier to ask the whole class for their first birthday at school, then next year reduce the numbers as you'll have a much better idea who their group of friends are. Have fun!!

jasper · 26/01/2002 22:40

robinw you have just touched on one of my pet hates - dogs. Or more accurately, owners of big bouncy dogs who say " don't worry, he's very good with children" Don't they realise that while many dogs ARE perfectly safe and never harm anyone, every dog which does bite a kid does it for the FIRST time on some occasion or other.
I didn't put that very well. I mean that there might always be a first time for even the most placid of dogs.

robinw · 27/01/2002 07:44

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IDismyname · 27/01/2002 10:17

Thanks for all your thoughts about my situation, and my "unequal balance"! We don't have any dogs or pets, and I'm sure that this little boy isn't scared or allergic to anything. The only thing is that this little boy is an only child (like my ds), but the mum is very very protective of him. Not sure why, as he's a typical, rowdy but well balanced little 3 and a half year old.
I've been mulling it over in the last few days, and think that, in the gentlest possible way, I'm going to ask her why she won't let him come on his own. Perhaps there's something I've missed.
I'll keep you posted.... and of course, she's asked my ds to go and play again!

TigerMoth1 · 28/01/2002 11:40

fms, just to say I have experienced exactly the same problem. A certain mother I know quite well through dh's network of friends has been known to drag my 7 year old back to her house to play with her son - she lives nearby. These visits are sponanteous. She eagerly suggests them as and when we bump into each other.

However, when I go to collect my son, she literally barrs the door! And her house looks a perfectly nice one, as well. She always makes the excuse that it is so messy, she can't have visitors. Whatever the weather, I have to wait outside until my son is bought out to me, which can take 10 minutes, and she brings any conversation we have to a quick halt. She never phones me in advance to arrange a meeting - her style is to tell me 'she wants my son for a while' as and when we see each other. She then spirits off my son to play with hers and tells me she will send him back - but deosn't say when! Apart from obviously not wanting to get to know me, she is not keen to send her son to us, either. I'm sure I could make the effort to cultivate her friendship more - I also know she works long hours, so I can forgive some of her abruptness.

But to be honest, I've come to the conclusiion that she sees me as a provider of company for her son, at her convenience, not mine. My son is just another toy for her son to play with - he is extremely well stocked up in the toy department. She also refers to me as 'so and so's mummy' or just 'mummy', rather than my name, which irritates the h* out of me.

Fms, I think you are right to be worried about the unequal balance. I hope your talk with this mother goes well.

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Marina · 28/01/2002 13:21

Gosh Tigermoth, she sounds a bit mad...I have some acquaintances who hail you as "so-and-so's mummy" and I find it very hard going. How does your son view these surprise visits? Does he get a good go at all these toys?
Fms, good luck with tackling the issue head on. Hopefully it will come as a great surprise to her that things have been going this way, and she and you can laugh it off and start afresh. I hope it goes well. Us parents of just the one toddler boggle at threads like this - we can't see past potty training in our house at the minute and the idea of moving on to the next parenting challenge, helping them build a social life, is enough to make you reach for the drinks cabinet.

TigerMoth1 · 28/01/2002 14:04

Marina, yes, she is a bit mad, but mad in a nice way (general consensus of opinion amongst group of friends). She definitely steers her own course - no stopping her!

My son is very happy to visit, and I know he is safe. I just stay in the cafe across the road with everyone else, and when I need to go, I timidly knock on the door and....wait.

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Batters · 28/01/2002 15:40

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TigerMoth1 · 28/01/2002 16:23

Batters, so it's not just me then? I find being directly referred to as ''s mummy' or 'mummy' to my face, by someone who certainly knows my real name, even more annoying than being tagged 's wife by one of my husband's friends. It just sounds so patronising.

I think she does it to keep a distance, as well. She simply wants an extra playmate for her son when we happen to be in the vacinity, and makes sure I am under no illusions that she finds me the remotest bit interesting!

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IDismyname · 21/02/2002 11:42

Thought I ought to bring you up to date, as promised.
This little boy came over to our house last week to play by himself, after his mum had explained to me that she was wary of giving anyone else the responsibility of looking after her son.
So, GULP, it was with great fear and trepidation that I welcomed him in. We made biscuits together, played in the garden, and generally had a good time. The boys had several mock punch ups in the garden, and I was thinking, Oh dear, if ANY child is going to get hurt, I bet it's this one!!... but all went well.
I think he's due back here again next week.
So much for my paranoia!!

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