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Is there any point carrying on?

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howhardcanitbetofindanewname · 07/05/2013 13:43

I'll try to be as brief as possible and stick to the points.
Been with DH 14 years. 2 DCs together plus one of mine from previous relationship.

We were early twenties when we met, our lives were very different - I had a child, was living on my own with DC, working etc. He was still very much young, free and single.

We actually met through friends and I thought he would be my first ever one night stand (I am not proud of this btw) and in the cold light of day I wasn't particularly interested. But friends encouraged me to keep in touch with him and we started seeing each other.

Looking back now, he was an utter shit and there were so many red flags I could have made some lovely bunting. He was actually quite disrespectful to me the night we met - but we were both hideously drunk. He failed miserably at what I have now heard call the waitress test - how he treats waitresses etc will be how he will treat you. There were hints of racism - of the jokey type, something which I find completely unacceptable.. In the early days he was utterly horrible to me and if I met him now and he behaved the way he did back then, I doubt he would even get as far as a phone number.

But, I was, I realize now, quite vulnerable. I was young, had recently lost my mum and was just under a year out of a relationship with DC1s father. He was abusive, a cheater and on one occasion a rapist. He was unreliable, paid no bills and put himself first.

Compared with him, my now DH didn't seem so bad, and he was such an opposite in character that I thought I should be with him as he was so different to the last one. He did however cause me a huge amount of heartache the first year or so we were together. He worked away and would call me, drunk, late at night and basically abuse me. He would not turn up when planned and I would find out he was out with the lads. If we argued, he would drive off to family miles away and make no contact.

Arguments were always my fault and I would end up apologizing, even if he was in the wrong. He took sulking to the extreme.

We had our ups and downs but about 4 years into the relationship it became absolute hell. He had been phoning dating lines, using porn and was just a complete arsehole. He would also imply he had kissed other women, but then deny it and call me paranoid. I am not proud of the fact but I started an affair with a man at work. I had thought he was a very good friend, someone I could trust and would look out for me. I honestly thought my relationship was over as it had become a living hell.

It became clear that OM was not all I thought and was only after sex. My head was completely screwed, I began self harming (something which had happened in my teens) and developed depression. I also ended my relationship with my now DH, but continued to see OM.

The day after we split, he had someone come and value the house and also went to the bank to sort out the accounts. However, by that evening he was distraught and for the first time in our relationship showed some emotion. He begged me to give him another chance and I told him that things needed to change.

I didn't tell him about OM, but I ended the affair and left my job. I tried to remain friends but he wasn't interested. This hurt me deeply as I had thought he was a true friend but in fact had just wanted sex.

Our relationship became very good. His temper was a lot better and he was more considerate. For the first time I was truly happy. We got engaged and had DCs and then later, married.

We have now been married for 6 years but I have struggled in our relationship for a long time. He is much better now than he used to be, but he is not a particularly caring person. However, I am quite dependant (emotionally)and I struggle with this.

He does, on occasion still go off if we have an argument, and we have again had very petty arguments that last a couple of days because he just won't stop the mood. Where he has been so critical of things in the past, I find myself changing my behavior or worrying what he will say about something I have done, rather than worrying what I think.

He works ridiculously long hours, whilst I am a SAHM. Kids are all school age, but we have no family support with childcare and the DCs school has absolutely no childcare available. So any job I get will have to fit in around the DC.

If I say anything about his hours (very unpredictable, usually out the house for 16+ hours a day, sometimes overnight etc) he just says "well i'll stay at home when you can get a job earning what I do". He knows full well I cannot earn what he does as I have been at home for the last 9 years. I have had to turn 2 jobs down because I just couldn't sort out childcare.

He has also said things that I find hard to forgive. Many years ago he implied that he did not believe I was raped by XP. Then further down the line said I couldn't let it ruin my life and needed to move on etc (it has left me with some issues tbh, but his attitude doesn't help)

If I am feeling ill, he remarks that I am 'always ill'. There is no sympathy or asking how I am, it is like I am being a pain.

I also have an operation in the pipeline. I am not ill, but the surgery will change my body, but is a necessary preventative surgery. He has been very supportive. However, he has on one occasion remarked that if this is how I am when ill, I am going to be a nightmare when I have the operation. (I was in bed with a migraine for half a day)

Recently, we were with friends and were all drinking. I was accidentally injured by a (male) friend and had left the room to sort myself, without making a massive deal as it was truly an accident. The friend who had done it, plus another couple came after me as they realized what had happened. Dh was also there but did not come after me or check that I was ok. He had witnessed what went on but took absolutely no notice. I was pretty embarrassed and tried to make a joke of it but DH kept saying to everyone I was 'milking it' and basically taking the piss, even though I was hurt but trying to hide it as I didn't want friend to feel bad or draw anymore attention to myself.

The problem I have now is I don't know where to go with the relationship. My sex drive is about zero, unless I have been drinking. A few months ago I told DH I wanted us to not have a sexual relationship for a while as I still have issues from the rape and wanted to resolve this gradually. Physical contact with DH is all or nothing. He is very 'gropey' and cannot stop at a kiss and a cuddle.. He was upset by this but after I explained my reasoning he agreed. But he continued to persue sex and I gave in. It has become a massive issue for me now and I avoid undressing in front of him as he will just not leave me alone.

I find he irritates me a lot and I am very bitter for the way he has treated me in the past. He is so much better now he is almost like a different person, but there a glimpses of it still there and I am not truly comfortable with it. I am also thinking may be de-senstised to it as when our friend accidentally hurt me the other day, the way he reacted was so much different to how my DH would have done - he would have tried to ignore it or blame me or said I was being dramatic.

I am utterly confused as to what to do. I think I am quite depressed and am not sure if that is caused by my relationship or is a factor in our problems. I honestly have no idea if I love him. I try to be affectionate but he just turns it into sex. Being at home all day isn't helping and I continue to look for a job, but the circumstances make it pretty difficult.

He is very sensible and supports us all. Our eldest DC does not get on with him very well - they could not be more different if they tried but sometimes I am not sure if DH is bullying or just strict. I always stick up for all the DC.

He is a total workaholic and I am not sure that will ever change, even though I have practically begged him. The little amount of time we spend together, plus the fact that I spend most of my time at home, just does not help the relationship.

We have a weekend away planned. We did the same last year and I thought it had saved our relationship. He was so lovely it was amazing, but as the year has gone on the problems have returned. Now I feel I am pinning everything on this weekend for it to make me realize one way or another what to do.

I don't even know the purpose of this post, probably I just want someone to find some sense in there somewhere and give me some advice of what to do. I feel quite vulnerable right now, even though I am now in my mid thirties, but I feel like life is passing me by.

Apologies if it makes no sense and I am prepared to be flamed for the affair, but I have mentioned it as I feel it is relevant.

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howhardcanitbetofindanewname · 07/05/2013 13:43

God that was long, sorry!

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turbochildren · 07/05/2013 13:57

I think you sound unhappy, and I guess life is too short to carry on like that. He does not sound like a very caring and considerate guy, and that may be something that you would rather have. And as your friend responded much more normally to you being hurt, it has made you aware of that issue.
Haven't got much advice though, except it is your life, and you have a right to be heard and respected and to feel comfortable and safe with your partner. If that's not happening then it is vvery hard.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 07/05/2013 14:18

Blimey. Sounds as though your DH was wrong for you at the start, is wrong for you now, and has been on/off wrong for you in the meantime. Is there any point carrying on? Only if you want more of the same I'm afraid. Seems a vain hope that anything's going to materially change

howhardcanitbetofindanewname · 07/05/2013 14:35

Think you may have hit the nail on the head there Cogito. My worry is that it isn't the relationship that is wrong, but that I will still feel the same if I am single, or that any other relationship will be the same and I will have upset the children and him for nothing. Another part of me thinks I have put up with it for this long, so why not wait til the children are older.

I am very idealistic and I know I have some kind of fairy tale romance thing that I am after and I know it doesn't exist. But in all honesty I am not really sure where 'normal' is. I got with DC1's dad when I was 17 (he was a few years older) and was only single for about 10 months between him and DH.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 07/05/2013 14:44

I think everyone needs time to live independently and work out who they are properly. If you've never done that and have simply lurched from one poor choice of bloke to the next, it's understandable that you have no idea who you are. Rather than keeping yearning for this Richard Gere in a white limo carrying you off to a better life fantasy, how about resolving to get to know yourself? See how happy a life you can make for yourself without some idiot guy screwing the whole thing up.

"Putting up with" is not a life, it's an exercise in endurance. For what? Life's too short to put anything on hold

howhardcanitbetofindanewname · 07/05/2013 19:08

Shit this is so confusing. He has come home early and being very nice. We hardly see each other usually and when we do we are really tired which doesn't help. Life isn't how we want it be and i am now sure if its the relationship that is the problem or if it could be better if our situation were different. But he seems very reluctant to change things, although he has stopped all the horrible things he used to do.
We have a weekend away booked this weekend so i am really hoping i can see things clearer after that.

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Repeatedlydoingthetwist · 07/05/2013 19:22

I really hope this doesn't come across as patronising but have you spoken to anyone professionally at all? It might be good to get all of this out with someone who can give you advice and guidance, especially as you say you still have issues after the rape (completely understandable because it sounds like you've had no support at all after it)
I think it's a good thing that you've recognised for yourself that you need to make changes, and it sounds like you want to make these changes too. I think you deserve a lot more than you're getting at the moment Thanks

howhardcanitbetofindanewname · 07/05/2013 19:46

Not patronizing at all. The thing is that there are things i will never be happy with after what happened. I want respect and care and he isn't always like that and will try and persuade things i am not happy with. That is where the past kicks in and freaks me out sometimes.
It has actually got worse over time.

I did have to have counselling for the operation i am due to have and to be honest i hated it. I think i am a very private person and i also don't like asking for help.
I was quite uncomfortable and don't think it would help. I am sort of over what happened but i think over time it has made me more protective of my body and being respected. When he is then not behaving as i think he should, i feel violated and it brings back memories if that makes sense.

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Repeatedlydoingthetwist · 07/05/2013 19:48

It does make sense. Do you think that you'd feel like that with anyone?

howhardcanitbetofindanewname · 07/05/2013 20:00

Yes if they were disrespectful. This is going to sound terrible but it was fine with OM. However that was obviously not my finest moment and not something i am proud of.

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Repeatedlydoingthetwist · 07/05/2013 20:21

Then in that case you probably do need to think about whether you should stay with DH, it sounds like he is a huge part of the problem. If it was fine with OM then that shows that you can be happy in the right circumstances. (I guess the only thing to bear in mind is that wasn't really a 'real world' situation).

howhardcanitbetofindanewname · 23/07/2013 10:07

Back again. Things are crap and have no idea what to do. Have also done something incredibly stupid and although felt good at the time i know this will just make it worse and is back in my old pattern again.
I have realised my self respect and boundaries need a lot of work.
I know I need to get out but have no idea what to do. Big event coming up soon which I have to go through with or will upset the children too much. Then I don't know what. I have no real reason to go. All the crap he has done in the past is too long ago to kick off about now.
For the first time last night I started to panic. I am completely dependant and don't actually know if it will be possible for me to change things. We have some brilliant friends, all couples, that are my whole social life,I do not want to lose them but can see it would be weird just me on my own.

I can't believe I have let this go on for so long and destroyed my life.

All because I wanted to be good enough for someone. Sorry huge ramble with no point.

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maidmarian2012 · 23/07/2013 10:22

You are good enough. He is not good enough for you.

He is unsympathetic to your illnesses, cruel and plays the most dreadful mind games with you.

I'm so sorry about your XP raping you, your partner should be far more mindful and considerate of what you have been through and I'm disgusted he implied you were lying.

I am upset to read your OP, it reads like the things my XP would do, disappear off out with his mates for three days etc.

I think you need help as others have said upthread regarding the rape.

This being nice/being moody business is to confuse and keep you "On your toes" as it were.

He sounds a nightmare. I think you should most definitely leave him/split up, as his narcissistic tendencies are shocking and he has wrecked your confidence and may move onto the children. They will notice things aren't right.

I say none of this to patronize or upset you, you have put up with TOO MUCH.

Let it be your time now.

Thinking of you Thanks Thanks

maidmarian2012 · 23/07/2013 10:23

You are not rambling, you tell us as much or little as you wish x

howhardcanitbetofindanewname · 23/07/2013 10:32

Thing is he isn't like this it at the moment. I actually think he is trying. But I know its too late. I will never be happy with him. I know the event coming up is make or break as some of the stresses involved will cause him to behave the way he does.

I think I need to be in a better place first or I know that I will possibly get with the first guy that shows an interest and maybe even is nice and will ignore all my gut feelings.

I feel so selfish but this has destroyed me. I have let it go on for too long.

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maidmarian2012 · 23/07/2013 10:48

You are not selfish, you have put up with too much crap!! If anything you have selflessly tried to make it work with him, but now you seem to have had enough!!

What if he starts being moody etc again?

howhardcanitbetofindanewname · 23/07/2013 10:57

He will. As soon as there is a disagreement then it will show.

I have realised now that my first thought whenever something goes wrong is worrying what he will say. If I am on the computer, I am waiting for him to moan that isn't there something I should be doing. My mantra to this for the part few months has been I am a 30 odd year old woman, I am can go on the computer whenever I like.

His thoughts are, if he is getting lots of sex, the relationship is fine. Well he isn't and when I tell him maybe if he was nicer or spent more time together then I may feel like it more. He will always reply that he has tried that but still doesn't get enough. Even when he is nice, its so he gets more sex, not to make me feel good!

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Jan45 · 23/07/2013 12:29

That's not a relationship you are in, it's a one sided controlling nightmare you are in - it doesn't matter if you've put up with it this long, you can decide when you've had enough - having a partner should enhance your life, make you feel loved and cared for and that you are part of a team, I can't help thinking you are wasting your life with this guy, he has no respect for you and what will the kids think, they'll think it's normal for a man to be cruel to his partner - do it for their sake if not your own and get out, he sounds absolutely vile.

howhardcanitbetofindanewname · 23/07/2013 14:16

I know. And you are right. Everyone always tells me how bloody wonderful he is. If only they knew!

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Jan45 · 23/07/2013 15:32

Do either of you even actually like each other?

howhardcanitbetofindanewname · 23/07/2013 17:49

Good question. I honestly do not know the answer. I think there are lots of good things about him. He is hard working, very good with money, always tries his best. People really like him.

But he is totally emotionally stunted and cannot deal with emotions at all. So much so that he tries to deny their existences in anyone else. This comes from his family, who are horrible. He knows this is an issue and Ithinkhe is trying, but as soon as there is some pressure or something goes a little wrong, is all goes out the window. I on the other hand am quite an emotional person.

He can't enjoy things properly and almost sabotages nice things. I feel very sorry for him actually but I am liking him less and less and resenting him. Its not is fault I am unhappy. I should never have stayed this long. I should never have thought we could change each other or learn to accept it.

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pinkdelight · 23/07/2013 20:47

Just read the thread and although a lot of it is about DH, the real thing that comes through for me is that you need something other than him in your life. And definitely not another man!

No doubt there are many issues with DH from the past, and as somebody said it may really help to get some counselling about the rape, but you say quite often that DH is very different now, is a lot better, is trying etc.

It seems to me like you're focusing on him being inadequate - which he very probably is - but that really this is a symptom of a much bigger unhappiness which he could not solve for you anyway.

Are you happy being a SAHM? It sounds to me like you're trapped by lack of childcare and lack of confidence. Is it impossible to find work to fit in with school hours? Not for money, just for a sense of purpose and maybe to give you something to moan with him about rather than him feeling got at and getting at you, which can be what happens when one partner comes home from work and you're both feeling resentful of each other.

What do you do when the kids are at school? Have you done any training so that you don't feel so low when he points out his greater employability? Is there something you'd like to do just for yourself that would make you feel more satisfied, so you could look forwards instead of back to these people you and he used to be? This isn't meant to be a nag about working. Just that it sounds like there's a gap in your life that is filling up with these thoughts can only add to the unhappiness.

More than anything you just sound very lost to me and like it might be easier to think it'll be fixed by ending your marriage - or that you would at least have a different kind of unhappiness. You might well yet decide to end your marriage and it might be the right thing, but first I really think you need to focus on yourself. At the moment, lots of little things seem to be adding to your sadness and so it's chipping away at you all the time. Before it breaks you, I think you need to find/realise your own strength somehow and take it from there, one step at a time. And this is a really good first step, just getting it all out here.

It's interesting that the other poster asked if you even like each other. Maybe the question is - do you even like yourself?

(The right answer is yes of course. It might just take time to get there)

howhardcanitbetofindanewname · 24/07/2013 14:04

pinkdelight, thanks for your reply. I do see your point and have asked myself the same questions. I do need to get a job, and after my surgery this will be a priority. Circumstances have changed a little since my first post which may make childcare easier and would have meant I could have taken the jobs previously offered, so that's a positive.

However, I know that won't solve our relationship problems. Although he seems to be trying, it's all still 'there' if you know what I mean. It's almost like he's doing the nicer things because he thinks he has to, not because he wants to, and it doesn't take much for the horrible side to come out again.

He too seems completely disengaged from me now though and will do nothing to spend time together.

Last week we were unexpectedly child-free for the evening. It was mid-week and he did have to be up very early the next morning. But he was home from work very early (4pm) so I suggested we could nip out for a bite to eat together. The answer was no. No reason given. I said it would be quite nice, plus I hadn't been shopping so it would be 'freezer surprise'. He wasn't interested.

After dinner, he went for a run, I had a bath and then put the tv on for a bit. He was on the computer. Then we went to bed early as he had to be up very early. He then said 'don't suppose you fancy a shag?'.

So he will not go 5 minutes up the road where we could have got a quick bite to eat and spent a couple of hours together, but expects sex after ignoring me practically all evening. The only thing he will see wrong in all this is the lack of sex. If I had made a deal out of it, his was response would have been along the lines of 'well if we'd have gone out I still wouldn't have got any'.

Not that going out and spending time together would have been nice, just that if it doesn't lead to sex there would have been no point.

Kissing and cuddles have to lead to sex, so it's all or nothing. He is never nice just because he wants to be and would never do something to make me feel good, other than to make me feel good. If that makes sense.

I need more. I am trying with him but it's very hard. He hates to fail at anything and I am wondering if he doesn't want to give up the marriage as he doesn't want to have failed.

I was working when I met him and for a few years that we were together and the issues were the same, just worse. Over the years I have adjusted myself to cope better with how he is, plus he has improved a bit and I think that's what keeps me here.

I have lost perspective of what a nice normal relationship is and as soon as a man is now nice to me, I think I see it as a big thing, rather than them just being a nice person.

I am worried how mine and our DCs lives will change if we split though. We have a very active social life, which involves couples and kids. I would hate to lose this as at the moment it is all I look forward to!

Rambling again, sorry!

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CailinDana · 24/07/2013 14:24

Has he pressured you into sex in the past?

howhardcanitbetofindanewname · 24/07/2013 14:47

Physically pressured, no. But he can nag a bit. Plus, as up thread, when i said i wanted us to stop for a while so i could sort my head out about the rape etc, he was really not happy but did go along with it for a few days, then started trying it on so i gave in.

He has been known to stop though, annoyed, if i am not into it enough. He has called me boring in the past but then other times tells me how brilliant it is.

I don't think the rape is the problem tho. He couldn't even leave off for a couple of weeks when i asked. Oh and his latest one is to stop and say he isn't in the mood. I ask if he is ok (as its not like him)and he'll say 'now you know what its like'. But if he isn't in the mood then i am not remotely bothered.

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