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Is there any point carrying on?

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howhardcanitbetofindanewname · 07/05/2013 13:43

I'll try to be as brief as possible and stick to the points.
Been with DH 14 years. 2 DCs together plus one of mine from previous relationship.

We were early twenties when we met, our lives were very different - I had a child, was living on my own with DC, working etc. He was still very much young, free and single.

We actually met through friends and I thought he would be my first ever one night stand (I am not proud of this btw) and in the cold light of day I wasn't particularly interested. But friends encouraged me to keep in touch with him and we started seeing each other.

Looking back now, he was an utter shit and there were so many red flags I could have made some lovely bunting. He was actually quite disrespectful to me the night we met - but we were both hideously drunk. He failed miserably at what I have now heard call the waitress test - how he treats waitresses etc will be how he will treat you. There were hints of racism - of the jokey type, something which I find completely unacceptable.. In the early days he was utterly horrible to me and if I met him now and he behaved the way he did back then, I doubt he would even get as far as a phone number.

But, I was, I realize now, quite vulnerable. I was young, had recently lost my mum and was just under a year out of a relationship with DC1s father. He was abusive, a cheater and on one occasion a rapist. He was unreliable, paid no bills and put himself first.

Compared with him, my now DH didn't seem so bad, and he was such an opposite in character that I thought I should be with him as he was so different to the last one. He did however cause me a huge amount of heartache the first year or so we were together. He worked away and would call me, drunk, late at night and basically abuse me. He would not turn up when planned and I would find out he was out with the lads. If we argued, he would drive off to family miles away and make no contact.

Arguments were always my fault and I would end up apologizing, even if he was in the wrong. He took sulking to the extreme.

We had our ups and downs but about 4 years into the relationship it became absolute hell. He had been phoning dating lines, using porn and was just a complete arsehole. He would also imply he had kissed other women, but then deny it and call me paranoid. I am not proud of the fact but I started an affair with a man at work. I had thought he was a very good friend, someone I could trust and would look out for me. I honestly thought my relationship was over as it had become a living hell.

It became clear that OM was not all I thought and was only after sex. My head was completely screwed, I began self harming (something which had happened in my teens) and developed depression. I also ended my relationship with my now DH, but continued to see OM.

The day after we split, he had someone come and value the house and also went to the bank to sort out the accounts. However, by that evening he was distraught and for the first time in our relationship showed some emotion. He begged me to give him another chance and I told him that things needed to change.

I didn't tell him about OM, but I ended the affair and left my job. I tried to remain friends but he wasn't interested. This hurt me deeply as I had thought he was a true friend but in fact had just wanted sex.

Our relationship became very good. His temper was a lot better and he was more considerate. For the first time I was truly happy. We got engaged and had DCs and then later, married.

We have now been married for 6 years but I have struggled in our relationship for a long time. He is much better now than he used to be, but he is not a particularly caring person. However, I am quite dependant (emotionally)and I struggle with this.

He does, on occasion still go off if we have an argument, and we have again had very petty arguments that last a couple of days because he just won't stop the mood. Where he has been so critical of things in the past, I find myself changing my behavior or worrying what he will say about something I have done, rather than worrying what I think.

He works ridiculously long hours, whilst I am a SAHM. Kids are all school age, but we have no family support with childcare and the DCs school has absolutely no childcare available. So any job I get will have to fit in around the DC.

If I say anything about his hours (very unpredictable, usually out the house for 16+ hours a day, sometimes overnight etc) he just says "well i'll stay at home when you can get a job earning what I do". He knows full well I cannot earn what he does as I have been at home for the last 9 years. I have had to turn 2 jobs down because I just couldn't sort out childcare.

He has also said things that I find hard to forgive. Many years ago he implied that he did not believe I was raped by XP. Then further down the line said I couldn't let it ruin my life and needed to move on etc (it has left me with some issues tbh, but his attitude doesn't help)

If I am feeling ill, he remarks that I am 'always ill'. There is no sympathy or asking how I am, it is like I am being a pain.

I also have an operation in the pipeline. I am not ill, but the surgery will change my body, but is a necessary preventative surgery. He has been very supportive. However, he has on one occasion remarked that if this is how I am when ill, I am going to be a nightmare when I have the operation. (I was in bed with a migraine for half a day)

Recently, we were with friends and were all drinking. I was accidentally injured by a (male) friend and had left the room to sort myself, without making a massive deal as it was truly an accident. The friend who had done it, plus another couple came after me as they realized what had happened. Dh was also there but did not come after me or check that I was ok. He had witnessed what went on but took absolutely no notice. I was pretty embarrassed and tried to make a joke of it but DH kept saying to everyone I was 'milking it' and basically taking the piss, even though I was hurt but trying to hide it as I didn't want friend to feel bad or draw anymore attention to myself.

The problem I have now is I don't know where to go with the relationship. My sex drive is about zero, unless I have been drinking. A few months ago I told DH I wanted us to not have a sexual relationship for a while as I still have issues from the rape and wanted to resolve this gradually. Physical contact with DH is all or nothing. He is very 'gropey' and cannot stop at a kiss and a cuddle.. He was upset by this but after I explained my reasoning he agreed. But he continued to persue sex and I gave in. It has become a massive issue for me now and I avoid undressing in front of him as he will just not leave me alone.

I find he irritates me a lot and I am very bitter for the way he has treated me in the past. He is so much better now he is almost like a different person, but there a glimpses of it still there and I am not truly comfortable with it. I am also thinking may be de-senstised to it as when our friend accidentally hurt me the other day, the way he reacted was so much different to how my DH would have done - he would have tried to ignore it or blame me or said I was being dramatic.

I am utterly confused as to what to do. I think I am quite depressed and am not sure if that is caused by my relationship or is a factor in our problems. I honestly have no idea if I love him. I try to be affectionate but he just turns it into sex. Being at home all day isn't helping and I continue to look for a job, but the circumstances make it pretty difficult.

He is very sensible and supports us all. Our eldest DC does not get on with him very well - they could not be more different if they tried but sometimes I am not sure if DH is bullying or just strict. I always stick up for all the DC.

He is a total workaholic and I am not sure that will ever change, even though I have practically begged him. The little amount of time we spend together, plus the fact that I spend most of my time at home, just does not help the relationship.

We have a weekend away planned. We did the same last year and I thought it had saved our relationship. He was so lovely it was amazing, but as the year has gone on the problems have returned. Now I feel I am pinning everything on this weekend for it to make me realize one way or another what to do.

I don't even know the purpose of this post, probably I just want someone to find some sense in there somewhere and give me some advice of what to do. I feel quite vulnerable right now, even though I am now in my mid thirties, but I feel like life is passing me by.

Apologies if it makes no sense and I am prepared to be flamed for the affair, but I have mentioned it as I feel it is relevant.

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CailinDana · 24/07/2013 15:25

His behaviour around sex is absolutely horrible, really nasty and bullying. I hesitate to say it without more detail but it sounds abusive. Sex should be a loving enjoyable activity not something you worry about and have to fend off. Also i need to say you don't have to be physically forced into sex for it to be rape. Any sex against your will is rape.

NicknameTaken · 24/07/2013 15:33

The thing is, he's never going to be the person you need and want him to be, is he?

Just because he's not as bad as he used to be doesn't mean you're obliged to stay with him. It's perfectly legitimate to say that this relationship is not good enough now, regardless of what is used to be.

I think you're going to have to put a lot of work in to sorting yourself out. Sorry, I don't mean that in a "there's something wrong with you" kind of way, just that you've been through a lot of horrendous experiences and haven't had the mental space to work through them. I know you said you didn't get on with the counselling related to your operation, but that kind of initial resistance doesn't necessarily mean that counselling is wrong for you - it does get worse before it gets better. And there are different types of counselling and different personalities, some of whom will suit you better than others.

I'm not going to go straight to LTB, although I'm tempted. I think you need to invest your energies in getting your own head straight, and it will be clearer to you then whether you need to stay or go. Whatever you do, don't go rushing off into the arms of another man. The solution to your unhappiness lies inside you, and you're going to have to put the effort into digging it out yourself.

Twinklestein · 24/07/2013 15:36

I don't think your H is that different to your previous partner.

Two things stood out from your posts:

1)You said that when you got accidentally hurt by a friend in the pub, your H's reaction was very different to your previous partners:

Your previous partner: "would have tried to ignore it or blame me or said I was being dramatic."

Whereas your H: "did not come after me or check that I was ok. He had witnessed what went on but took absolutely no notice".

Ie he ignored you & then said you were 'milking it' ie being overdramatic.

  1. You told him you wanted some time out & to heal from the rape & he agreed but then you say "he continued to pursue sex" until you gave in.

The rape issue is going to continue to be a problem because your H is constantly coercing you into sex.

You have the right to the integrity of your body & you don't seem to currently have the power in your relationship to determine when sex happens & how.

This relationship is not good for you. Maybe your first relationship damaged your ideas of what relationships/men are like.

howhardcanitbetofindanewname · 24/07/2013 15:56

Twinkle in your first example both those reactions are my husbands, i probably worded it badly.

I am not scared to be single but probably long to be wanted and good enough.

Going to have a long hard think. I appreciate all your replies. Thank you

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Twinklestein · 24/07/2013 17:40

No it's my fault, I've just looked back & I misread it.

You were comparing your friend's response to your husband's.

The thing is you are good enough. It's your partner who's frankly - well -awful.

CailinDana · 24/07/2013 17:46

You are good enough. But he certainly isn't.

howhardcanitbetofindanewname · 25/07/2013 08:03

So bloody confused. I keep thinking he is being nice, then thinking maybe he is just not being horrible.

Sad thing is I don't think he knows how to be nice and instinctively thoughtful. I have got so used to him that when people behave nicely I get a bit of a shock.

Problem is I know I am not trying right now, just lookingfor issues and a way out. I need to know I have tried everything, but I am finding it hard.

I know I have changed so much and have spent my adult life not knowing who I am. I think I have become someone that isn't me and I don't know.

Its so screwed up I don't know where to start.

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CailinDana · 25/07/2013 08:21

He doesn't have to be horrible all the time to "justify" you leaving him. You are absolutely not required to hang onto the relationship regardless of your own feelings. He has treated you really really horribly. In your shoes no matter how nice to me from here on in nothing would make up for his past behaviour. You know what he's capable of and even if he's on his best behaviour forever you will always know what he can sink to.

Can you trust him?

howhardcanitbetofindanewname · 25/07/2013 15:32

Wow. Just saw www.baggagereclaim.co.UK in another thread and decided to take a look. Makes a lot of senseand mirrors what a lot of people have been saying. I have spent my adult life going from one man to another, knowing deep down they are wrong but hoping it will be ok. When it isn't I then start looking for my next knight in shining armour, but of course they never are and it all gets worse.

I have actually changed my personality drastically for different men, so much so that I have no hobbies or interests because if they didn't like them, I gave them up.

I need to start being brave, trusting my instinct and enjoying my life!

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howhardcanitbetofindanewname · 26/07/2013 09:08

Ok so I would like a bit of insight into something that is on going and a big part of all of the above.

He works very long hours and is rarely home,especially during the week. But this week he has been home earlier. Following on from our child free night last week where he wasn't interested in popping out for dinner, this week I have suggested all going out for a walk, a bottle of wine together, watching a film. All have been met with no. Last night I suggested we all go out, and we could walk our dog at the same time. He said no, then kept asking when I was taking the dog out. I did, then tried to start conversation and asked if he fancied some wine. He wasn't interested and went out for a run.

Then get to bed and he was all over me, but in a nice way, kisses, cuddles etc but obvious that wasn't all he wanted. I said I was a little upset that all my efforts to spend any time together had been ignored as he is so rarely home.

He literally turned over and completely ignored me and went to sleep. That not right is it?

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CailinDana · 26/07/2013 14:57

No it isn't. If you were dealing with a kind caring partner he would have been sorry you felt that way and would have talked about it. It honestly sounds like he just keeps you around for sex.

hellsbellsmelons · 26/07/2013 15:20

You know it's not right!
He can't even be bothered to spend a bit of time with you.
Time to move on as he's not serving any purpose in your life other than to make you miserable.
You are trying and he clearly is not.
You know what you need to do you now to plan it all out and carry through.
It's YOUR time now. Go out and grab life and stop being miserable in this 'relationship'!

howhardcanitbetofindanewname · 26/07/2013 16:17

Thought so, but this has been going on for so long that you forget what is normal. Even though he has got better, its still way off.

Have something coming up that I just cannot ruin for the children. I have waited this long so another month is nothing and gives me a chance to plan.

Seeing my friend next week who has a bit of an idea what is going on and has recently told me she wonders when I will realise I deserve more in life. Going to have a good chat I think.

Think the shit may hit the fan!

Thank you though, you are all wonderful.

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CailinDana · 26/07/2013 16:31

I'm really glad things are becoming clearer for you. Also glad you're going to talk to your friend. Good luck.

howhardcanitbetofindanewname · 29/07/2013 11:44

Things are not good! I have obviously been thinking a lot lately and was worried that maybe I have thought about it so much that I wasn't seeing things clearly. So I made a bit of a pact with myself to try and be more positive and not keep going over in my head how bad it is etc and just see how it goes.

I suggested we take the children to the cinema on Saturday and he surprisingly agreed. On the way he needed to get some summer shoes. He tried one pair on then needed to get some flip flops and asked me to help find some. So I did, then asked if he was trying them on (as he has wide feet and often things don't fir him). He stroppily says 'well how am I going to do that?' and I replied 'well either with your socks on or take them off'.

He then looked at me in disgust and says 'you skank, that's disgusting' and had the most disgusted look on his face. I then said I didn't say he had to take his socks off, just told him what the options were (yes this is bloody ridiculous I know!), at which point he raises his voice a bit, going 'don't you start saying you didn't, you just said it' and ranted and raved.

When we got to the cinema he moaned about the seats we had chosen. We usually always sit there but he is never with us. I pointed out that as it was a kids film, it probably wouldn't really spoil his enjoyment of the film!

Then, later on he was doing some work in the garden. I popped out and casually said 'how's it going?'. Which was met with 'well you can see how it's going, it's right in front of you'.

This was all in one day.

So last night I asked if we could have a chat. He said 'if we must'. I said I was worried things weren't going well, about the only being nice when wanting sex. He said 'well that's ok as I don't want to sleep with you anyway'. He said I was blowing things out of proportion. I told him he doesn't ever show that he cares, never wants to spend time together, works way too many hours and I can't carry on like that. I said I was worried about our upcoming holiday as he can get stroppy very quickly about things like finding somewhere to park or eat and I didn't want stress on holiday as I really feel we need this time to go well. His answer was 'well don't fucking come then'.

So either he really couldn't give a toss how I feel or hides it very well due to his issues dealing with emotions.

I think I am so used to him being negative that I have forgotten how nice people behave. On a night out recently with a group of friends, I dropped my straw on the floor. The 2 male friends I was talking to both immediately turned to the bar (right next to them) to get another one. This is such a tiny insignificant incident, but I was so surprised and my first thought was DH would never do that, where as it was almost a reflex reaction for them and I think is what most people would do.

He got quite arsey with our chat last night and was very defensive. Then he tried to hold my hand in bed. But actually what I want him to do is for once say what he feels, even if it's not good. I don't know if he really doesn't see it as bad as I do, or is finding it works for him and he doesn't have to be nice.

Another stupidly long post!

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