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Can somebody help me please - how do I make them understand???

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Overtiredmum · 18/04/2013 19:41

I have been with my DH for 12 years, married for 7 and we have two beautiful children, DS 7 and DD 4. DH is a wonderful dad and a good husband, problem is that for the last year or so I have just drifted apart from him, to the point I am just so unhappy, we have finally separated.

This has only been since last week, and we are slowly starting to tell friends and family. The problem is I feel like I am beign ganged up on, no-one really understands how I feel and that I need to do whats best, which in everyone elses view is patch things up with DH for the sake of the kids! But thats the problem, I have been "patching" for the last year, now I just feel like I am barely surviving day to day.

Since having DS, I have worked evenings. I am fortunate that I have a good job which enabled me to continue my career, but working in the evenings, 5-11pm. DH works days 7am to 4pm, which meant we have never needed additional childcare. But also meant that we had very little time together. I have always tried to do the lions share of stuff at home, maybe a couple of times a week he will need to cook for DC, but apart from that I do everything, and then I go to work. My day starts at 6am and finishes about 12.30am when I crawl into bed.

For the last 4 months or so, everything has just gotten on top of me. Growing up, my parents had an unhappy marriage, splitting up on numerous occasions, my DF being always at work, my DM being the primary care provider. My DM made sacrifices for her own happiness, and they stayed together and are companions for each other in their retirement. But I watched this growing up, and can now see my life heading in the same direction. I have tried to talk to my mum about my feelings, but she is of the view that I should stay put, that I could never do any better, a companion is better than a partner and to "think of the children". I can see having a companion works for her, she is 65 - I am 38?

But that is my problem - I am doing this for my babies. For the last 4-6 months they are picking up on my unhappiness. DS is at school all day, but DD is home for 3 days a week - I spend whole days crying, with her drying my tears, telling me she loves me and it will be OK. Thats surely not healthy for her?? My DS has a nervous thing he does with his eyes, which he cannot seem to stop. I feel like I am being a terrible mum, I need to be happy, surely if I'm happy I will be a better mum?

Together as a family, the DC continually fight and argue, fighting for my attention and love.

So, I have broken DH's heart by asking for a separation. This was last Friday. He stayed at his mums for the weekend but came back every day. Every time he left, I felt a great sense of relief, the DC calmed down, played together great, and we had fun. Thats sounds awful I know. The minute he walks back through the door, I am uncomfortable, it is back to square one with the fighting and arguing. For the first time ever, he took them to the park at the weekend on his own, they loved it.

I am just so unhappy, and I feel I am being pushed into a corner. I have had some really dark days during the last few months, I have been drinking a ridiculous amount of alcohol. This past few days have been so tough, I know he doesn't understand, but I feel relief that he now knows at least, and I haven't even felt the need for a drop of alcohol.

I have made an appointment to see a Relate counsellor next week on my own, although don't really know what to expect. I just want to sit down and talk to someone who doesn't know me, or how great DH is.

I just feel drained. I am continually trying to explain that I am just so unhappy, that it is reflecting on the DC, and that I feel to be the best mum I can, I need to be happy, and if that means being apart from DH, then so be it.

Sorry - long and rambling, but needed to get this out of my head. I feel terrible for breaking the heart of a good man - but I have one life, don't I owe it to myself to make the very best of it for me and my DC? I love my DH, but more as a brother. We just returned from a 10 day holiday together, I had hoped the time together would help - but I felt like I was away with a stranger :(

So opinions please - am I doing the right thing?

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Overtiredmum · 07/05/2013 15:07

just feel like its what i deserve Sad

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anklebitersmum · 07/05/2013 15:08

Not sure on the legalities to be absolutely honest.

As I said, the police will help to avoid putting you and your DC in an untenable position-especially if he gets abusive so don't be scared to call them. They escorted my ex away both sober and drunk and dizzy a few times in the early stages of separation. Then when he did the I'm moving back in routine I just point blank refused to let him back in and as I'd bolted the doors he just scuttled away luckily

Get yourself an appointment with a solicitor or ring and ask advice-often they'll give you a legal heads up over the phone in situations like this. You need to be on it quickly though, especially if he's likely to make a fuss.

wordyBird · 07/05/2013 15:52

No one deserves to be abused, spied on,pressured for sex or bullied. No-one.

Take a deep breath, and take back control Brew .... phone WA, or solicitor: just one step forward at a time.

anklebitersmum · 07/05/2013 16:29

It absolutely is not what you deserve.
No one deserves to have to settle for a second rate life just because it makes a few uncomfortable waves in the social strata.

I understand absolutely that you feel guilty at ending the relationship-not least as you've basically been told that he's all you're worth, what an ungrateful child you are and how you need to 'toe the party line'. Angry

You do not need to toe anyone's line. You are a capable woman who has made a decision to change her life for the better and who will not be bullied into submission.

TweedWasSoLastYear · 07/05/2013 17:51

Not had time to read whole thread , apologies if x posted + /or wrong
Keep all the threatening , rude , abusive text messages from him . Your phone might also have a 'record' feature on it , so you can record any abuse down the phone.
Not totally legal , but if you need some proof for the Police or a solicitor it becomes alot more plausable with evidence.
Dont know what to make of him really , sounds like an angry man , somewhat entitled , maybe very used to getting his own way and successful in work/carreer .
It might be that he cant accept failure and has taken on a ' I will fix this, make it go the way I want ' attitude . Hoping you will fall back into line re the sex / washing / cooking and being a good little wifey.
shame as you sound very worn down and upset .
Do not give in to him.

SolidGoldBrass · 07/05/2013 18:23

In a way, it's quite useful that he's being such an arse. It helps remind you why you have done the right thing by ending the relationship. He's not a good husband or father, is he? Not if he's this selfish and determined to have his own way.
Remember you do not need his permission or his co-operation to divorce him. You are not a slave or a dog and he is not your owner. As others have advised, go and see a solicitor, and have a chat with WA as well.

Overtiredmum · 07/05/2013 22:50

Am so tired of the battles x

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wordyBird · 07/05/2013 23:07

Of course you are, Overtired.
You need someone on your side.
For now...Hope you get some sleep. Brew

Overtiredmum · 08/05/2013 07:24

Am tired, slept ok though. Its raining, was hoping to get to the park today with dd. Hes still determined he moving back in. For kids sake I don't thimk i am strong enough to refuse Sad

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Overtiredmum · 08/05/2013 10:01

bump

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Lemonylemon · 08/05/2013 11:21

Come on OP: You will have to be strong enough. Get some back up - phone WA, keep posting on here, speak to the police. You must do these things for your peace of mind and also for the sake of your kids.

Can you see your GP as well? Maybe s/he can help?

Overtiredmum · 08/05/2013 11:27

can't speak to police, hes not really threatening anything. am off work at mo, two weeks so far, am taking a third. have been looking at finances, I can afford to move out but hes trying to call my bluff Sad

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Machli · 08/05/2013 12:05

I can't add to the advice it would just be the same as everyone else's.

However the words "taking control of the situation" sound like they are coming from someone else. Your Mum? His Brother?

As for moving back in. You HAVE to be strong enough to keep him out. You HAVE to be. You got him out once, you can keep him out. If he turns nasty call the police. They will remove him to calm the situation on a short term basis but it may well show him that you mean business.

Machli · 08/05/2013 12:09

Oh and cut your Mum off for now, she sounds horrendous. I'd be tempted to tell her that her lack of support was doing damage to your relationship that there may be no coming back from.

Samebod · 08/05/2013 12:21

You poor thing Sad

I've been going through exactly the same as you otm since I decided to separate from my ex,my family didn't support me and he 'got' to them and so called friends and I was left feeling like the bitch from hell because I dared to listen to my inner self and make a brave decision to leave a person I no longer loved.

Hold in there lovely,just keep swimming for you and your dc.

Use your time off work to get some legal advice-seek out a solicitor who specialises in Family Law and know your rights.

Is it too early for you to start divorce or legal separation proceedings?

Oh and stay away from toxic family,you wouldn't put up with this behaviour from someone who wasn't biologically connected to you,would you? YOU deserve better and you deserve respect and support regardless of your decision to end a relationship.

Sending strength x

Overtiredmum · 08/05/2013 12:21

DM hasn't even asked how I am! I am leeping her at arms lenhth. I just don't know how I can stop HIM moving back in? I've told him he isn't welcome but its not fair to drag kids further into this Sad

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Machli · 08/05/2013 12:24

Yes start divorce proceedings immediately. That shows everyone you mean business and psychologically will be good for you too.

wordyBird · 08/05/2013 12:30

they are picking up on my unhappiness....DD is home for 3 days a week - I spend whole days crying, with her drying my tears, telling me she loves me and it will be OK. Thats surely not healthy for her?? My DS has a nervous thing he does with his eyes, which he cannot seem to stop.

The kids have been dragged in by HIM. Not you. You have been trying to help them, and you, by separating: and it worked. Some way, somehow, you have to stand your ground, and know you must win for their sake.

Even if they are happy for a little while at the thought of everything being as it was - you know it won't last and you'll be back where you were. But worse :(

Can you call WA? womensaid.org.uk/
They can help you get through this.

Samebod · 08/05/2013 12:35

I moved out of the house and started divorce proceedings.Not an easy task but he was making me physically/mentally ill.

My ex still thought I was just having a little midlife crisis and I needed time out and I would 'give in' .I had him on my doorstep begging/snarling for months.

My divorce will be through next month.He's taken the hint now! (but his true EA colours have really shown through throughout).

Call a solicitor and get some legal advice ASAP

It hurts like hell when people show their true colours.I am still grieving for the lack of support but I now know who loves me unconditionally.

Overtiredmum · 08/05/2013 13:01

He really put the kids on the spot last night, asking them if they wanted him back here. DS said yes, DD said no, which was insightful to me since it is DD who has really experiemced my unhappiness Envy

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Samebod · 08/05/2013 13:11

He needs to stop manipulating the children,it's completely out of order to bring them into any decision making and asking poisonous.it's akin to asking them who they love the most.
They won't understand why their parents aren't living together,just that it all hurts and it is different.

He's a first class twunt.

www.relate.org.uk/young-people-service-common-problem/237/index.html show him this!

fromparistoberlin · 08/05/2013 13:12

OP my heart goes out to you

I am having a very bad time with DP and I suspect if I ended it, it would be not dissimilar to what you are experiencing

The thing that really cried out at me me is how TIRED you are, and how vulnerable

I think you MUST keep on with the counselling to get external support, and strenth

I think you are very smart to cut contact with your Mum

and, I have to say, I do feel compassion for your DH. Yes he is behaving very badly but I guess he is hurting too. I am not condoning him, but on a human level I feel for him too

your guilt is really coming through, and I think you dont have anything to feel guilty about,if you are that unhappy you have to get help and address it

stay strong xxxx

Overtiredmum · 08/05/2013 13:16

Agree he is hurting and obviously trying to get me to change my mind, but if he loved me he would listen too? Agree he has to stop using kids, I have never done that and wouldn't, they have 2 parents who should be there Angry

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Lemonylemon · 08/05/2013 13:25

OP: You really, really need to get yourself some legal advice as a matter of urgency. He is being abusive because he's emotionally abusing you and the children....

Overtiredmum · 08/05/2013 13:31

I'm just really scared of what my future holds. Trying to be practical just gets me nowhere Sad

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