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Thirty years

934 replies

fuckitybollocks · 16/04/2013 06:23

My husband had an affair 5 years ago. He has not been 'in love' with me since. I have really struggled, living with the man you love who does not feel the same way is soul destroying. We have two teenage children so at least we have been together with them. He would continue like this although he is not happy. He says he does not really know what he wants. At the weekend I told him I did not want to live with someone who dies not feel the same way about me. He says he loves me but cannot remember when he was in ,I've with me. He has a neurological issue which affects his memory especially biographical memory and that really does not help.

We are currently hiding the fact that one of us sleeps on the sofa from the children. I can't do that anymore as I have hurt my back. He has not done anything about finding somewhere to live. He does not really want to I don't think. He does not have someone else now, he hasn't for a long while so would prefer us to live together, us being all of us. I think he thinks I will capitulate and he will be able to stay with us for longer.

This is so very very hard. I am crying at times, not when the children are around, he hugs me. He hates seeing me upset. He says he loves me, cares for me. When he had his girlfriend he experienced that infatuated soul mate type relationship. Of course a wife of 30 years cannot match that. He does not value that total love and loyalty that comes with time and family. He says he does not think about me and look forward to seeing me. I know he would stay if he could, he does not really want to have all the hassle if finding somewhere to live etc and he does want to be with children. I am so lonely. Being friends sleeping together (he does not want sex with me often at all) is so souk destroying. I don't blame him for not wanting me, I smell of fags and he hates that, I have always smoked but the smell of me has become really horrid for him and I understand tht. I quit for nearly three months last year and am gearing up to try again. When I didn't smoke he did not want me more though.

This situation can't continue. One child is gearing up for his gcses next month. I do not want children to see this train wreck. I feel so pathetic and selfish messing things up because it is hard living with someone who is not in love with me. Until this crisis he has not told me he loves me at all for months. Valentines day for the first time was just a card. I had chosen a present or him. Two actually although one was not delivered in time.

When he has affair I did not cope. I was very depressed and ended up unable to work. I know I will not do that this time (although am off suck fir a few days while this back pain dies down). He does not respect me, I have behaved badly and been very weal and feeble. Not now though. I am never going into that depression again. I am very unhappy but not depressed and there us a big difference. He might be depressed though. He certainly feels as though there is little point o life.

I am not sure why I am writing this. What if anything anyone can say. I just feel so alone and a bit scared.

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DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 23/06/2013 21:51

The more support the merrier JustinB'sMum but see where fuckity's got to.

cjel · 23/06/2013 23:24

hope you've had a good day. thinking of you.

fuckitybollocks · 24/06/2013 06:17

Was a really odd day. Most of the time it was as though nothing happened. Or was happening. Sad last night and have woken up feeling very low. Will bath and get into work. Hope I can shake it off. Feel sick.

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DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 24/06/2013 09:14

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crispsarenotoneofyour5aday · 24/06/2013 09:21

It's going to feel odd for a while -especially while he is still in the house. Sooner he goes the better so you can move on. Remember - it can only get better, it might take a while to fully appreciate it but it can ONLY get better. Flowers

fuckitybollocks · 24/06/2013 12:14

I already miss him so much. He can be a Pratt but he is also my best friend. I can't get my head around it being over even though my choice. I don't understand why he thinks we are not worth working for. How can he prefer to be alone than with his family? He spent all weekend doing DIY on the house and seemed to enjoy it. I just don't understand.

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cjel · 24/06/2013 13:18

hope you feel better, we had lovely 10 days between me getting house and moving out. it was as if all the pressure of what were we going to do was gone and we could live as we wanted, my dh used to rush home and cook for me and I would sit in kitchen with glass of wine while he did, then he'd light candles and we'd sit at dinning room table and he'd hold my hand while we ate!! it was weird but it was also lovely, moving day he wouldn't let me get out of bed as he wanted me to stay! He had OW?I don't know how it works but it did for us and i think that he was trying to make sure that i would be ok in a strange way because although they may not want what you do they still care.
I think its best just to go with the flow, don't read too much into stuff as you are both going through weird things, nothing has changed you are seperating. Sadness and grief is something that will jump out at you at quiet times, do what you need to look after yourself.xx

AgathaF · 24/06/2013 13:59

I guess he can do the DIY because it hasn't really become a reality for him yet. It's understandable that you feel he is your best friend, although I think he makes a poor kind of friend when he is so 'unfriendly', really.

It will get better. You will cope with him living elsewhere.

Any news on a date for his house to be ready?

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 24/06/2013 14:08

Well he may not admit it to you or anyone else, but a decision made and the news broken to others outside even if he still professes resistance or denial can actually be a huge relief. It's gone past that weird unproductive limbo.

Jux · 24/06/2013 15:08

Second what cjel said.

It is weird, but once a big decision like that is made, there can be a period of calm. Perhaps he feels like he can behave like this because you all now know what the reality is, and no one needs to fight against, and nothing extra need be read into people's actions? Am I making sense? No pretences, no defences necessary any more kind of thing.

Wellwobbly · 24/06/2013 17:05

I don't understand why he thinks we are not worth working for.

Because there is a large hole where empathy and connection should be. Your H is a narcissist and there is no changing them, so sorry.

FB, my IC said to me a full two years ago: 'he will not change for you. He will not even change for the children'. He (IC) has been waiting for me to get it.

I finally got it when I discovered that my H had sent the OW, the one who was supposed to be out of our lives because we were 'reconciling', an email. The day before he sent me a text telling me how much he regretted his affair.

You cannot deal with this level of disconnect, FB. I really really hope that the peace you get in life now will start to feel normal and better, soon.

Wellwobbly · 24/06/2013 17:07

I also second what Jux says. Once Mr Wobbly was 'outed', he no longer thought it was necessary to try and hide his selfishness and self-absorbtion. It was just naked and out there.

wonderingagain · 24/06/2013 19:26

You can still be his friend, it doesn't have to be all or nothing. You can also help him move out as you would have helped him get from A to B before. And he can do your DIY.

DIY is quite a symbolic thing. This is the thing that makes a man feel like they have a physical stake in providing shelter. Let him feel that.

Otoh it could also be a statement of 'see, you couldn't really manage on your own' - or a way for him to leave without feeling guilty.

But whatever it is, let him do it. Try to stop creating drama, look forward to your future and wherever he sits within that, wish him well. Hope the best happens for him as you hope it would happen for you.

Let him go.

wonderingagain · 24/06/2013 19:27

Sorry delete this bit! Try to stop creating drama - not what I meant to say at all.

fuckitybollocks · 24/06/2013 21:11

Jux. I think you meant he could relax and be jolly? That's what it is.

The flat is not suitable. Just in from work si tea and decide if I am string enough to tacke it tonight. If not I will compose an email tomorrow. A friendly fuck off if you like.

Have been upset today, more hiding until composed. This is. Oh I don't know. It is what it is. Boys all talking about flats and whether they can stay nights with him. I want it to be this open but struggling to deal with it tonight.

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cjel · 24/06/2013 21:15

If its difficult to handle tonight, stay hidden!!xx

fuckitybollocks · 24/06/2013 23:02

I am. In bed and trying to stop crying so I don't have puffy eyes tomorrow. So want to go downstairs for a cuddle.

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DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 24/06/2013 23:19

Cuddle your pillow, cuddle your boys. The flat was Plan A, but he could move in with his mother as Plan B if another flat doesn't come up at once. The boys will probably help him look, if DS1 can drive he can take his father round to see some in the evening or at the weekend. Staying at your sister's could be Plan Z.

DHtotalnob · 24/06/2013 23:30

Oh ffs, he doesn't want to cuddle you. Not for the right reasons, and not in the way that you're worth. Stop handing him the control and power and snatch it back for yourself.

By way of introductions, I'm a long time lurker from the very first day. I've been silent but cheering you on, especially because you seemed like such a wet fart (sorry) in the first post and you have since proved me totally wrong in that you're smart and funny and kind and I'd like to be your friend. So it's in that spirit that I say the above.

He either is a total nasty twat or just actually doesn't understand how life works, but that's not for you to diagnose. Try to focus on the medium term. You'll know him forever because you share children. You have plenty of time to redefine your relationship.

(bit worried I'm going to get torn a new one for being too unsympathetic, but I mean well).

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 25/06/2013 00:06

Wellwobbly put it neatly, there is a large hole where empathy and connection should be.

So have to agree with DHtotalnob (hello btw!) that it only sets you back if you seek normal responses from a self-serving narcissist.

AgathaF · 25/06/2013 07:59

Well, no great surprise that the flat was unsuitable. It was never going to be really.

So, he can move to his mother's house now? Be firm fb. The lack of internet is not your worry, let him sort that one out, he's sorted precious little else out in these last few weeks. No reason whatsoever why he can't go to his mothers today, tomorrow. He can take what he needs and collect the rest at the weekend.

His hanging around is further pulling you down. Don't let him continue with it.

fuckitybollocks · 25/06/2013 08:02

I don't think anyone will tear you a new one.

He has to go. Somewhere. Very soon. Still thinking about emailing him. I think that is better than entering a discussion. Or a text could be short. At work now so have time to work it out.

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Jux · 25/06/2013 08:19

Fb, I have to agree with Agatha. He was never going to go that easily, as he is essentially selfish. He has had weeks to sort out internet access at his mum's, but he hasn't done it because he doesn't really have any intention of leaving the house he's in now. Sad

I think he still thinks he can stay, even after all this.

cjel · 25/06/2013 09:38

so sorry its not moving quickly FB, have you thought of open discussion including the boys so that he can't back track - you know along the lines of which days are you boys around to give your dad a hand with his things to grandmas? It is really hard to think this could go on for months if he doesn't find the 'right' flat. what about offering to get internet sorted for him at his mums,' would you like me to ring XX bout inetrnet if you haven't got time?' all in open with boys present? ime texts and emails get ignored/misunderstood.

fuckitybollocks · 25/06/2013 12:50

Ok sent email. Have just had text, he has signed up for a flat end of next week. So all ok I guess.

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