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Please help - is it over? What do I do now? So very lost...

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OneWingedAngel · 08/04/2013 19:47

Hello all

I have lurked on these boards for almost two years now, this is my first time posting. What I need is some advice. Some unbiased advice - if there is such a thing! I've tried to put everything as neutral as possible but that is very hard to do considering I am still on edge after tonight's fiasco...

My partner and I have been together coming up to five years. We have a 16 month old DS and I am 34 weeks pregnant with our DD. For the first few years we had a good relationship - we were gamers and spent a lot of our time drinking/eating/gaming. We had a couple of arguments but I mainly put this down to the drink. We of course don't drink anymore.

We had my son and things got rocky after that. He had terrible colic for the first few months, didn't sleep through until very recently. I had moved a 2 hour drive away from my family to live with OH at the beginning of our relationship and I felt very cut off from them after the birth of my boy. At the time my other half was working long hours and I got very depressed, I suffer from social anxiety and found going to baby groups etc too hard. His family are not very involved in DS's life - they have had him for a couple of afternoons when he was tiny but not since. When we asked for them to have him more regularly they said that they did not want to feel obligated and haven't really had him since, bar when I had a scan recently. What I am getting at - is that we have very little support down here. Fair enough, a lot of people don't. But I do sometimes get resentful of being so far away from my own family especially as I do not drive (I am due to take my test next week - eep!). We started having lots of arguments, many very heated. I put this down to the stress we were under due to the above.

Things got worse when I went back to work. My OH also got a new job - and is doing shift work which he finds difficult. It is also a job where he is having to learn many new things and he gets very stressed by it. I went back part time and my OH looked after our son sometimes when he was home, and the rest of the time he was in nursery. My OH said he was finding it too stressful looking after LO and doing the shifts and when I became pregnant again (planned - I know... I know...) we decided I would finish work as early as possible to be at home more. I finished work beginning of february.

I thought things would improve after this but they haven't. I constantly feel as though I am walking on egg shells around my other half. He has an explosive rage. Before I put it down to the lack of sleep and colicky baby - he would get up in my face screaming at me that I was a cunt etc. But then the colic went away, we are getting more sleep, I am home more, and yet he still seems to have an uncontrollable rage. He says that I goad him, and say things to make him angry. I honestly don't think I do. Sometimes I am grouchy and down, I admit this. But never have I exploded like he does.

A few weeks ago after a very strained couple of months, we had a huge falling out and I went to stay at my mum's for a week. We decided to make another go of things and although things seemed good for the first couple of weeks they are slowly slipping back in to old habits. We are so cold with each other. I admit I don't fancy him anymore, that could be the pregnancy hormones, it could be all the arguments, I don't know. But we rarely have any intimacy. During an argument he told me that he found it hard to be intimate as I was an ugly fat cow now - it was said in the very heat of the argument and he has apologised profusely for it since but it has stuck with me and I feel unattractive and down about myself.

Tonight was the final straw. DS ran his trike into the freezer a couple of times and broke the bottom of it - the freezer is fine, its just a bit of plastic. I should have been stopping it but I didn't, I was tired I admit that. My OH went ballistic at me and started kicking one of the cupboards. I picked up DS and went upstairs. Half an hour later I came back down to do dinner and I noticed that the cupboard was broken off its hinge. I asked OH whether he had done this and when he said that he had, I said that that was enough and I wanted him to go and see a doctor about his anger. This led to a massive argument, my OH saying that I had been pushing him all afternoon, and with DS in his arms he started screaming at me and kicking the cupboard even more until the door completely fell off. I went to grab DS and OH pushed him into my arms before placing his hands around my neck. I want to make it clear that it was only for a second and little pressure was applied but that was what happened. I burst in to tears and asked him to leave, to which he refused until I said that I would then call a friend to pick me up. The cupboard is completely ruined.

So now I am here. We have exchanged a few text messages, if need be I can copy them here but the jist is he thinks we are over. I am leaning towards agreeing. But then I am also so very scared of being a single mum to two young babies. I was recently made redundant as my company folded, I am still trying to see if I can sort out my SMP and I have very little money, I couldn't afford the rent here on my own and I am really upset trying to think about what I need to do etc. We haven't had our wages through properly as the redundancy people are still sorting it.

Am I over-reacting? My OH says I am, and said that should I speak to anyone that they will just agree with me because they are friends and family. So I come to you all to ask what it is I should do. Reading back it all looks so bleak! But is this just what couples go through when they are strained with young children?! Is it not as bad as I think? Will I regret leaving and trying to raise two children on my own?

I am so very very lost... Please help.

As I was proof-reading this I have had both my mum and dad call (they are seperated). My OH has been calling them saying what has happened. Everything feels like it is spinning out of control... :(

Thank you to anyone who has made it this far...

OP posts:
Hissy · 09/04/2013 20:21

Oh and don't disclose your plans to him, don't communicate at all. It may undermine your position against him.

OneWingedAngel · 09/04/2013 20:36

I'm an IDIOT. He text me saying that he was sorry that things had come to this. I don't know why but at that point I too felt really bad. I text him to say I was sorry it had got to this point too and to let him know what my thoughts of arrangements were and to ask whether I should hand in notice to our current landlord.

Then of course I come back here and read your post Hissy and I feel very sick. I think I will just put my phone to one side and go back to ignoring him.

ignore ignore ignore

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cjel · 09/04/2013 20:40

Don't panic, its easy to feel safe when hes not there, you relax You are ok feeling crap but every time you say something you regret you will remember that uncomfortable feeling and will make less and less slips as time goes on and you start your new life. don't beat yourself up just IGN ORE IGNORE IGNORE!!!!!

OneWingedAngel · 09/04/2013 20:41

Also, he is now asking to see DS. I don't think I can stop him, but I am extremely uncomfortable about him coming here and being alone with him. I don't know what to suggest really. I asked the officer to ask if the car seat could be left here as I would need it to travel back to family, so it is here rather than in his car anymore so he can't pick him up.

His dad doesn't have a suitable car seat for DS either. AIBU to ask that he can see DS if his dad arranges to come and pick him up and bring him back - this would mean they would have to buy a car seat though. Or is that really bitchy? I don't know, agh.

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cjel · 09/04/2013 20:45

I don't know about stopping him, my gut would say that you should be a ble to as he was violent in front of him and even hurt you while you were holding him. heck with the police. As for car seat its not at all unreasonable to expect him to buy another. I don't think there is any bitchiness!!

Xales · 09/04/2013 20:57

don't let him see your child until you have taken legal steps to protect him from taking and keeping your son. I assume you both have PR?

He was violent and aggressive in front of his child. He has been unable to cope with shift work and looking after his son. His son needs to see his dad in an environment where he is safe and secure and you know he will be returned to you. Or with a neutral (not his dad/mate) third party.

OneWingedAngel · 09/04/2013 21:16

I just feel bad as when he came here to collect his things DS refused to be put down by him and was very clingy towards him. They clearly love each other a lot, I do not want to stand in the way of that. But yes, at the same time I am worried, extremely worried, about being alone with him or even handing DS over on my own. We both have PR though so he is in his rights to see him, I don't want to be seen as being difficult about it all.

I said I had no intention to stop him from seeing DS but I didn't want to be alone with him or have him here and that I would be in touch after some sleep and time to think about arrangements and got a very snotty text back saying again I was being dramatic and that I was 'keeping up the act of being so scared'. The niceness really didn't last for long.

I've not responded and will not respond any further for now, I'll speak to someone again tomorrow about how to go about arranging contact. I know from my work that the waiting lists for contact centres in this area are extremely long (months long). I would be okay with DS going to his grandparent's for contact though, perhaps this is something that could be arranged so that at least someone else was present with them both.

I do not think that he would be violent towards DS and what happened last night was because of the altercation with me, but at the same time I want to make sure that DS is safe and would be returned to me. It's a very tricky situation, and one I need to think very carefully about!

It's a lot to think about on top of everything else though. I have a feeling I may not sleep so well again tonight.

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cjel · 09/04/2013 21:23

You can't make any informed choices about contact tonight and will get good advice tomorrow so this is something you don't have to think about tonight. Amazing how the nice act soon fades if they don't get there own way isnt it. He'll be telling you you are distorting things and that they aren't really how you remember them again soon.. Think happy thoughts and sleep like a log!!

OneWingedAngel · 09/04/2013 21:33

Thank you cjel, I will certainly try to! Hopefully I will be so tired after not really sleeping last night that I will drop off quite quickly. It's horrible though, any bangs/bumps outside and my heart starts racing in case it is him coming back here - although I am sure he wouldn't and everything is locked up tight!

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Mimishimi · 09/04/2013 21:39

You are not over-reacting. He may not have actually hurt you this time but from this sort of behaviour, it won't be long before he starts to.

cjel · 09/04/2013 21:43

If hes anything like mine he won't try and attack a house thats locked just a vulnerable woman on her own. He'd be too public if he started in the street. especially as he knows you are in contact with the police.

Hissy · 09/04/2013 22:13

DS clinging is a natural response to fright. Children are preprogrammed to act in the interests of survival, so by displaying affection to an agressor, its to protect them from falling foul of it.

Your Ex2B is using anything he can to connect with you. Its his attempt to cling to power.

Please don't berate yourself love, all this is normal, your reactions too, don't panic, don't knee jerk, take time to consider what you want to do. Focus on where you have been, and the calm, new life you will get once you've taken the required steps to assure that.

In the end, it'll be ok. If its not ok, its not the end....

Hissy · 09/04/2013 22:15

The fear is normal too, I felt that when my ex left...

And I put him on a plane to a city thousands of miles away! Took about a week for me to realise he'd really gone!

OneWingedAngel · 09/04/2013 22:29

My dad is wonderful, and is helping me find a place to move in to nearer my mum & brother asap. I presumed I would have to wait for the housing register to get in touch, but apparently I might be able to rent privately and then claim back some housing allowance until I can return to work so he's helping me look into it now. Does anyone have any experience of this? I've only ever rented privately with my now-ex and don't really have a clue how to apply for housing allowance/other benefits! I take it I just contact the local authority once I am there?

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cjel · 09/04/2013 23:05

We rented for dd privately and I think you are right, you contact allowance people to say what you want to do and they give you some idea of what you may get and then when you've got place you tell them exactly and they confirm what they will pay. YOu have to cover 1st payment and deposit, It is more difficult to get private landlords to take DSS though

Chubfuddler · 10/04/2013 02:03

Housing benefit is paid directly to the claimant now so it is difficult for landlords to start with the old " no dss" routine.

cjel · 10/04/2013 08:12

I think its not the landlord that doesn't want dss its the mortgage companies. I know we've had that problem when wanting to rent to dss.

PyroclasticFlo · 10/04/2013 08:25

Angel I've been lurking on your thread since the start and just wanted to give you my support - you're doing amazingly well and are being so strong for your DS and your unborn baby. Look after yourself, make sure you eat and drink and rest when you can, and reach out for as much RL support as you can, people will be only too glad to help.

Ignore your Ex, remember that you are doing the right thing and that you have many, many people rooting for you, backing you up, sending you love and thinking of you. YOu will be fine, it will all work out for the best. You are a great mum, and protecting your babies brilliantly. Be proud of yourself, and take care x

cjel · 10/04/2013 10:05

Thinking of you as you go to hospital today. sending you hugs.

skyebluesapphire · 10/04/2013 10:33

Just caught up to date with this. Well done for going to the Police. It shows X that you are serious about this. and well done to your Dad too for helping you move closer to your Mum.

Your X will have a right to see his child and this is something that if you can't work out between you, you may be able to do in mediation - you can have shuttle mediation where you sit in separate rooms if you don't want to see him. Your X also ought to seek help/counselling for his temper

Well done for having the strength to do this for the sake of your children.

PaddingtonBearsDuffleCoat · 10/04/2013 11:13

For a person to be guilty of assault there does not need to be an actual contact made or a blow. It is enough that the victim fears that the action will result in contact so please do report him for putting his hands on you. As everyone else has said, report it to the Police if nothing else, to get his behaviour on record. He can be made to leave the house by the Police even if he doesn't have the decency to leave when you ask him as he has engaged in domestic violence

OneWingedAngel · 11/04/2013 20:34

Hi all, thank you for the wonderful messages of support, they are helping tonight as I am feeling very low. I wanted to update though as I wonder if maybe others will come across this thread who are perhaps going through something similar and will be wondering whether to leave like I did.

My ex and I are now on speaking terms and he saw DS at the park yesterday and put him to bed tonight. We have drawn up an agreement regarding what is to happen to everything we own, our savings, child maintenance etc. It has all been very civil and amicable. I think coming to the decision that we are at an end has helped ease some of the tension. He is sorry for what has happened and I am too - it is horrible that it came to this in the end.

I am still in the home we rent, I have applied to all the housing registers near to my mum's and even to the one down here just in case nothing comes up. I haven't heard anything yet and am going to call them all tomorrow and be persistent. I have also applied for every affordable private rented place near my Mum's but am not having much luck - it is very sparse and a lot are turning me down because I am not currently working or because I have children. It's annoying because technically I should still be employed - just my company went bankrupt and of course being so close to giving birth I cannot apply for anywhere. A few agents are on the look out for me though and are happy to take me on with dad as guarantor which is great.

I am quite stressed by it all. I had a couple of hours of irregular but persistent contractions yesterday which scared me but thankfully once DS was in bed and I relaxed they calmed down and eased off. It is only five weeks until my due date though and I am very scared I'm not going to be able to move by then, so I need to be a bit more pro-active and get on the phone to people, I have been trying to do it all online/via email so far...

I feel down tonight, am forcing myself to eat/drink enough etc - I have to for the sake of the baby and DS. DS has been so so good, perhaps the lack of tension in the house has had more of an affect on him than I thought. He has made all of this a lot easier on me.

I'll keep popping on to update as and when. Thank you - really thank you, for everyone being so lovely here.

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Chubfuddler · 11/04/2013 20:48

You are fantastic op well done. You will get through this x

cjel · 11/04/2013 21:28

That would be amazing if you can co parent while getting on. Well done. Hope you look after yourself and get a new home really fast.xx

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