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Please help - is it over? What do I do now? So very lost...

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OneWingedAngel · 08/04/2013 19:47

Hello all

I have lurked on these boards for almost two years now, this is my first time posting. What I need is some advice. Some unbiased advice - if there is such a thing! I've tried to put everything as neutral as possible but that is very hard to do considering I am still on edge after tonight's fiasco...

My partner and I have been together coming up to five years. We have a 16 month old DS and I am 34 weeks pregnant with our DD. For the first few years we had a good relationship - we were gamers and spent a lot of our time drinking/eating/gaming. We had a couple of arguments but I mainly put this down to the drink. We of course don't drink anymore.

We had my son and things got rocky after that. He had terrible colic for the first few months, didn't sleep through until very recently. I had moved a 2 hour drive away from my family to live with OH at the beginning of our relationship and I felt very cut off from them after the birth of my boy. At the time my other half was working long hours and I got very depressed, I suffer from social anxiety and found going to baby groups etc too hard. His family are not very involved in DS's life - they have had him for a couple of afternoons when he was tiny but not since. When we asked for them to have him more regularly they said that they did not want to feel obligated and haven't really had him since, bar when I had a scan recently. What I am getting at - is that we have very little support down here. Fair enough, a lot of people don't. But I do sometimes get resentful of being so far away from my own family especially as I do not drive (I am due to take my test next week - eep!). We started having lots of arguments, many very heated. I put this down to the stress we were under due to the above.

Things got worse when I went back to work. My OH also got a new job - and is doing shift work which he finds difficult. It is also a job where he is having to learn many new things and he gets very stressed by it. I went back part time and my OH looked after our son sometimes when he was home, and the rest of the time he was in nursery. My OH said he was finding it too stressful looking after LO and doing the shifts and when I became pregnant again (planned - I know... I know...) we decided I would finish work as early as possible to be at home more. I finished work beginning of february.

I thought things would improve after this but they haven't. I constantly feel as though I am walking on egg shells around my other half. He has an explosive rage. Before I put it down to the lack of sleep and colicky baby - he would get up in my face screaming at me that I was a cunt etc. But then the colic went away, we are getting more sleep, I am home more, and yet he still seems to have an uncontrollable rage. He says that I goad him, and say things to make him angry. I honestly don't think I do. Sometimes I am grouchy and down, I admit this. But never have I exploded like he does.

A few weeks ago after a very strained couple of months, we had a huge falling out and I went to stay at my mum's for a week. We decided to make another go of things and although things seemed good for the first couple of weeks they are slowly slipping back in to old habits. We are so cold with each other. I admit I don't fancy him anymore, that could be the pregnancy hormones, it could be all the arguments, I don't know. But we rarely have any intimacy. During an argument he told me that he found it hard to be intimate as I was an ugly fat cow now - it was said in the very heat of the argument and he has apologised profusely for it since but it has stuck with me and I feel unattractive and down about myself.

Tonight was the final straw. DS ran his trike into the freezer a couple of times and broke the bottom of it - the freezer is fine, its just a bit of plastic. I should have been stopping it but I didn't, I was tired I admit that. My OH went ballistic at me and started kicking one of the cupboards. I picked up DS and went upstairs. Half an hour later I came back down to do dinner and I noticed that the cupboard was broken off its hinge. I asked OH whether he had done this and when he said that he had, I said that that was enough and I wanted him to go and see a doctor about his anger. This led to a massive argument, my OH saying that I had been pushing him all afternoon, and with DS in his arms he started screaming at me and kicking the cupboard even more until the door completely fell off. I went to grab DS and OH pushed him into my arms before placing his hands around my neck. I want to make it clear that it was only for a second and little pressure was applied but that was what happened. I burst in to tears and asked him to leave, to which he refused until I said that I would then call a friend to pick me up. The cupboard is completely ruined.

So now I am here. We have exchanged a few text messages, if need be I can copy them here but the jist is he thinks we are over. I am leaning towards agreeing. But then I am also so very scared of being a single mum to two young babies. I was recently made redundant as my company folded, I am still trying to see if I can sort out my SMP and I have very little money, I couldn't afford the rent here on my own and I am really upset trying to think about what I need to do etc. We haven't had our wages through properly as the redundancy people are still sorting it.

Am I over-reacting? My OH says I am, and said that should I speak to anyone that they will just agree with me because they are friends and family. So I come to you all to ask what it is I should do. Reading back it all looks so bleak! But is this just what couples go through when they are strained with young children?! Is it not as bad as I think? Will I regret leaving and trying to raise two children on my own?

I am so very very lost... Please help.

As I was proof-reading this I have had both my mum and dad call (they are seperated). My OH has been calling them saying what has happened. Everything feels like it is spinning out of control... :(

Thank you to anyone who has made it this far...

OP posts:
Corygal · 08/04/2013 21:01

You have to leave. Or boot him out.

He tried to strangle you.

cjel · 08/04/2013 21:13

Sorry this has happened. You said you don't think he will do anything to your Dcs but he has already smashed up a cupboard holding ds and then attacked you while you were holding him, That should be your line.xx

Badvoc · 08/04/2013 21:15

Phone the police.
Get him out.

skyebluesapphire · 09/04/2013 01:27

You are not overeacting, he has crossed the line. His violence his getting worse and next time it could be you or DS who gets hurt. You need to protect yourself and DS.

I agree, ring the Police and get it logged. They need to know that any future calls from you could require quick attention. Contact Women's Aid, they will be able to help you.

Sort out your tax credits as a single person, look at housing benefit, council tax benefit etc. you may get a lot more help than you think.

This man needs help for his aggression and temper. Tell your parents the truth so that you have their full support.

If you have a Sure Start Children's Centre near you then please go there for help and advice too.

OneWingedAngel · 09/04/2013 05:27

Update: I managed to get some sleep last night. I woke up at five as DS was upset so resettled him and there was a text message from OH reading: "Are you awake? I hate this, can I come home and sleep on the sofa or something."

I replied: "No I am afraid not. You kicked in a cupboard while holding our son then put your hands on me threateningly. It's over. Its been building up to this for a long time and this is the point I have to keep myself and the babies safe. You are not to come back here."

Well it hasn't gone down well. He is now starting to claim that I have a bad memory and that I am changing what has happened. He has said he will be back here and will involve the police if necessary.

Obviously I cannot sleep again. I have diallied the 101 non-emergency police number and have left details regarding last night and my contact details on there, someone should be calling me back after seven.

I have a friend coming over later this morning as well, ironically a family solicitor I worked with (I was a legal secretary to the family department, it is so so strange seeing all this happen from the 'inside' now so to speak). She will be able to give me some extra advice.

Thank you to everyone for your responses. I will keep posting, articulating and writing everything down feels very soothing in a way, keeps my thoughts in check!

OP posts:
Chubfuddler · 09/04/2013 06:11

he's going to involve the police? Oh good luck to him with that. He's trying to call your bluff - he doesn't think you're serious and thinks you will shy away from involvement of external agencies. WELL DONE for logging it.

stella10 · 09/04/2013 08:08

I feel for you op a similar thing happened to me wen I was 38 weeks pregnant with our ds and I was in turmoil after wards trying to work out what to do. I am stil with him it is not a regular thing he has never hurt me or threatened to but on that day I was very tiered and as we had a toddler son aswel I'd asked him to take him out somewhere after doing a half days work so I could get some rest.... We were arguing a bit in general anyway and he was down over recently losing his father and then things just escalated and everything came pouring out and he just lost it he smashed a few things up kicked a gate off its hinges....our son burst into tears and was petrified and I hit his bak Jr he walked off (I doubt he felt this he is much bigger than me) then I think I said something nasty and he just came towards me and grabbed me with such menace I was so scared I think he just shook me a bit but obviously in the heat of the moment these things are terrifying. I wanted to leave him then but being pregnant u just want everything to work out and I did wonder how I would cope with two so little. Also I accept I was partly to blame for what happened so its different to your situation op but if you've managed to get him to leave then I would keep it that way as thats the hardest bit I think and atleast this way if u ever wanted him back you could say not before you accept you are in the wrong/a danger and go to anger management. But I think u can do much better and be happier alone or with someone else..good luck try and stay positive.

Hissy · 09/04/2013 08:21

Stella, moving story, but sweetheart, why would you accept blame in what your 'DP' did? How many times have you kicked the shit out of a gate and terrified your DC? He's not hit you again because he doesn't need to. For now. If required to, he would, and it's this that is keeping the situation manageable.

Also. anger management. This is not anger that is out of control. This is not anger. it's abuse. No amount of Anger Management fix those who hit, threaten or batter their partners.

Bet your 'DP' doesn't go around grabbing his boss/colleagues/mates like that, does he?

Don't kid yourself, don't make excuses, please. If something resonates on this thread with you Stella, or anyone reading this, please look into it, please don't just live like that, for the sake of a bully's ego.

This stuff damages you, your children, and future generations to come. If you stand up now, you'll save them the fate you are or have been suffering.

OP, you rock, keep him OUT. (((hugs)))

Xales · 09/04/2013 09:28

Print off your OP and add times to it.Take photos of house damage.

It is a very good record of what happened and not too far removed timewise to be faulty due to a bad memory.

TondelayoSchwarzkopf · 09/04/2013 14:23

Delurking to say I am thinking of you and hope you and DC are OK OP

hellsbellsmelons · 09/04/2013 14:58

Wow - just caught up with this.
As always on here, you've had some great advice.
Make sure you follow it all.
I hope you've had an OK day today and your friend has given you some good advice.
Hopefully CAB and Womens Aid have also given you some good sound advice.
Let us know how you get on.

OneWingedAngel · 09/04/2013 17:49

Thanks all - to update:

An officer came to take a statement this morning. I left everything with him, he said that as it was classed as domestic violence (albeit a mild case) they would have to follow through with it all. He then interviewed OH at the station this afternoon. I am unsure what the outcome was but OH attended the property later with two officers to collect some more things.

I've applied to be placed on the housing register back near my mum's, but it says it can take up to 21 days to process! I'm going to speak to women's aid tomorrow about what else I can do but I am exhausted from dealing with the Police all day and feel safe here for now. Plus I have an important hospital appointment tomorrow so need to stay this way for that.

My OH has since text me to ask what my plans are. I have said I am still making arrangements and coming to a decision but will let him know.

Thank you all, I wouldn't have been brave enough to make these initial steps without all the wonderful advice here!

OP posts:
cjel · 09/04/2013 17:56

Well done Angel, I have so much admiration for you. You are amazing, what you have done to protect your dcs is great. I wouldn't have had the courage to do what you've done. I hope now he will have been brought to his senses and will realise that he can't treat anyone like that. Hope you have a lovely peaceful evening and get really good rest ready for your appt tomorrow

Mumsyblouse · 09/04/2013 18:10

I had to post after reading this- well done, and please stay strong and don't let him back. He terrified you and your child in your arms, he is such bad news, and I agree with everyone that it is not one thing but a series of escalating abuse which is really scary. You have done so well to prioritise you and your children's safety, I have no doubt if you let him back in, you will be scared and terrified again and that can't happen.

Stay safe, you can do this.

AnyFucker · 09/04/2013 18:14

Good for you

TheOrchardKeeper · 09/04/2013 18:22

That was a very brave move to make so you should be dead proud of yourself. It really is for the best. No one deserves to be treated that way or feel under any sort of threat in their own home. I hope things pick up from here. You're taking all the right steps Smile

Onwards & upwards!

Lavenderhoney · 09/04/2013 18:27

You have had some wonderful advice on here. Is it your house or rented? Or his house? Could you go and stay with your mum or dad til the baby comes? And the 21 days is over? It will be more peaceful, you will be able to relax and not allow stress to bother your ds or unborn dd. plus all the support after the birth. What a tool, he is, and well done for realising and doing all you have. Your poor ds. Thank goodness you have been so strong now.

It's not a case of pride- it would be worse to soldier on. Have you spoken to your parents? And friends ? Don't let him pave the way. Of course he is trying to make it look like its your fault, but your family and friends will know better.

How lucky you used to work in law- you have a head start in how to extricate yourself. 21 days isn't that long, but it will seem like ages alone in the house with him texting and bothering you. If he is harassing you for answers tell him you will respond and ask women's aid how to deal with it if he won't leave you alone. And keep in contact with the police. Theses things escalate alarmingly, ESP if he is now drinking. Keep your mobile by your bed and double lock and bolt the doors. I don't mean to be alarmist, but keep safe.

Xales · 09/04/2013 18:54

Your heart must be breaking.

I know it will be cold comfort but you are doing the right thing by yourself and your children.

/hugs

DoingItForMyself · 09/04/2013 19:42

Wow well done you Angel, that must have been incredibly hard for you, but it needed to be done. So relieved for you. It won't be easy on your own, but it would have been a heck of a lot harder with him around.

One little thing - don't refer to him as your OH anymore (assuming that means 'other half') - he is no part of you, you are complete without that twunt.

OneWingedAngel · 09/04/2013 19:46

I do feel quite down tonight, keep panicking a little. Reading through my OP helps though as it helps remind me why I am doing this. The texts I have been receiving today (before the Police contacted him) were all along the lines that I was being over-dramatic and he kept saying that it all happened differently to what it had. He is saying that he merely pulled the cupboard door off and didn't touch me, that I am messed up in the head. I am so VERY glad I wrote down what had happened so soon after as I would be questioning it all by now.

I have to attend to have an anti-d injection tomorrow (they forgot to book me in until now!) and then I am going to make some calls about trying to move quicker. I know my mum would take me in if desperately needed but there is not really enough room there for me and DS let alone another newborn. My dad is literally at the other end of the country but again I know he is there if I need him. I hope that I can find somewhere to live quicker than that though - it is just about having the funds for a deposit etc, it most definitely has to be social housing this time!

Just have to keep reminding myself why I am doing this and not let myself fall into the same pattern of thinking it is okay. I'm sick of his aggression and don't want my children to grow up around it anymore :(

OP posts:
OneWingedAngel · 09/04/2013 19:48

And doingitformyself - yes you are right! He is not my 'other-half' any more at all. Must get out of that habit, although it feels very strange... I still can't quite believe this is all happening. Both the officer and my friend commented on how calm I seemed about it all. I'm a bit like that on the outside I guess. Give it a few days and I will be a mess!

OP posts:
cjel · 09/04/2013 19:52

You don't have to be a mess in a few days, you can be feeling the same as now, stronger and even excited. It is not a given that you will go 'down. As the pressure of not living with his moods lifts you may find that you are happier and happier. Classic trying to say you are in some way deluded and not thinking straight, but like you say it makes it easier to spot that you are doing the right thing. xx

kalidanger · 09/04/2013 19:57

OP Did the police who took your statement go through the 27 (?) questions? Did you notice that one of them is "Has [whoever] ever tried to strangle you?"? I noticed that Q after I was assaulted by my ex. He hadn't but I noticed the question... I have to assume that a 'yes' indicates something specific that causes the police to add another layer of 'severity' to an assault, or something similar.

I only really mention this for the benefit of anyone else quietly reading this thread.

Take care Angel. Don't get sucked into any of his whiny bullshit Thanks

OneWingedAngel · 09/04/2013 20:11

Kalidanger - that question did come up, yes. I wasn't sure how to answer it as he had only placed his hands on me for a second before letting go, so I let the officer answer for me, but it made me wonder the very same thing.

Reading back on all of the texts I can see he has been desperately trying to manipulate the situation so that it is my fault all day and asking to come back. Funny really as when I went to stay at my mum's following a series of arguments before he was very quiet and disinterested and didn't want me to come home. I suppose now he is seeing it is not so easy to have to leave the home and stay elsewhere. I'm still ignoring him unless absolutely necessary, I haven't told him I am looking to move yet as I don't want to rock the boat, I will wait until I have some kind of timescale in place.

OP posts:
Hissy · 09/04/2013 20:20

OP, all that you are feeling, this panic, fear, worry is normal, everyone feels it. It's the fear he's instilled in you, it's him trying to normalise his ABNORMAL behaviour.

Keep reading your own words, come back here and ask what you think might be dumb questions (they won't be)

We all know how it is to wake up to the idea that you are in an abusive relationship. It seems like you are the last one to know somehow and you berate yourself for taking so long, for taking so much and for letting things happen.

Except for this: You didn't do anything wrong. he did. he did this to you, he wore you down so he could do it to you, for longer, and to greater extent, because he wanted to.

he needs you to be his victim, so you will see panicking coming from him. Use that panic of his, no matter how far out it gets, keep yourself safe and observe his words, actions etc. The more he is panicking, the more strong you are, the closer to freedom you are.

You can do this, you really can.

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