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Really fed up with DH - mid life crisis type post - long

354 replies

BoffinMum · 04/04/2013 19:08

So, DH has a long history of being a bit of a grumpy old sod at home more often than not when it suits him, and lying in bed at every opportunity (at the weekend it's usually more or less all morning, plus at least a 2 hour nap in the afternoons, plus slipping upstairs for a bit more of a lie down at regular intervals whenever I am not looking). I have pointed out he is doing less and less with us as a family, that we have become a very stereotypically gendered household in some respects, and that he might be depressed but he replies:

  1. No he isn't, He is just tired.
  2. He works hard and commutes to London (NB I also have a full time job and commute to London, he replies his commute is half an hour longer each way and I get to work from home sometimes).
  3. He needs more sleep than me.
  4. He does some of the washing and cooks once a week or so.
  5. He earns more than me which makes his job more important to propping up the lifestyle of the family.
  6. Two weekends out of three in term time he takes the older two to the local station on a Saturday morning to get the train to school (20 minutes there and back, then he goes back to bed).

(I have posted on here in the past about the rampant hypochondria linked to the lie downs, but luckily that has now diminished to more or less tolerable proportions since encouraged by MN I told him to man up and that there was nothing wrong with him, although he did strut about in front of our Christmas day guests with a thermometer thingy in his ear at one stage, so the hypochondria has obv not gone completely).

Now he lost his dad a couple of weeks ago, and the funeral was yesterday. I have been doing all the necessary propping up and wifely support that you would expect and which is only right. However his reaction to this is like an extreme version of his normal-lying-in-bed-complaining-all-the-time-not-doing-much-with-the-family. When his mum died a few years back it was also extreme. I think it's probably not an exaggeration to say that he copped out of family life for an entire year on that occasion (I remember speaking to relatives about it for advice at the time, I was so exhausted and fed up). I had five, repeat five bereavements of my own during the same period, including one of my closest, dearest relatives, but they were more or less ignored because he was so wrapped up in himself and his own grief.

I am really worried I am facing another year or so of doing all the heavy lifting for the family emotionally and domestically while he disappears into his psychological defence cave. I am not sure I have anything left to give. Over the last year or so I have felt suffocated by his moods and needs for lie downs, absolutely suffocated, and imprisoned in the house while we wait for him to wake up/get up/get dressed/get washed and join in. It's like we are all perpetually in limbo, and when we do get out, he's such a wet weekend it's no fun any more. I struggle to do the whole thing on my own as my mobility isn't the best.

He never volunteers to take the kids to the park, play with them or anything - if I don't nag him or do it myself the 3YO would basically spend all weekend indoors more or less entertaining himself, and the older ones would just sit in their rooms. He does however run around in a complete frenzy on a Sunday evening at 9pm in an attempt to find their PE kits and get them to complete their homework, at which time we are all completely frazzled frankly.

When he is at home, DH disappears off regularly and if he's not in bed, after half an hour or so he will appear and say things like 'well, I've tidied the kids's rooms/tidied our rooms/put everything away' very proudly, when the reality is that this is a 5 minute job stretched out to 30 as I have already usually spent the morning on domestic tasks, and he is actually multi tasking in the most inefficient way possible - dabbling about doing a bit of a job here, a bit of a job there, never quite finishing anything, criticising the way I organise the house. If he runs out of these pointless domestic tasks to occupy himself, that's when he goes off to lie in bed for a bit, rather than do something with the kids.

I have tried playing his lying in bed game as well, to see what happens, but basically the kids just end up rather neglected and start fighting, and he gets even grumpier.

I am really exhausted with all this. It is not what I got married for, tbh. I have just snapped at him and told him to 'see a fucking counsellor FFS' Blush and while I apologised straight afterwards, he has now driven off in a sulk to get away from the house. I am not getting what I need emotionally from this marriage at the moment, at all.

Oh dear, what on earth do other people do in this situation?

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DrGarnettsEasterMixture · 05/04/2013 18:44

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AuldAlliance · 05/04/2013 20:17

Oh, Boff, I'm so sorry to read all this.

It is just so sad, as are the posts from other MNers in similar situations. As you know, I'm not exactly delighted with the sharing of responsibilities and tasks in the Auld household either. What is it about men?

I've seen you both in RL in your home surroundings and so i am hesitant about posting here: would you rather I e-mailed you?

Sending support...

BoffinMum · 05/04/2013 21:47

Well, we went for a pub lunch, and he announced that the reason he is do stressed is that he needs to be able to go away for 24h breaks on his own as he is always having people make demands on him.

Me too, I said, I need 24h breaks etc.
He snapped at me.

He then came out with his usual justifications for lying in bed, etc. I gently shook my head every time he came out with one, contradicted him, and said that I did think he needed counselling as it just wasn't normal, his sleeping. I reminded him he was having naps and sleeps adding up to 14-16 hours a day. He said that's because he was different and needed more sleep than most people, not least because during the week he gets up 30 minutes before me every day. Shock

We fell out at this point, and I went back to the cottage first.

He then came back and announced maybe he would spend his inheritance on a place near the boys' school and live there during the week. I just said oh, don't you want to live with me then, in a nice way. He then was quiet for a bit. I don't think he meant it.

I did not broach things like feeling neglected. I just decided to behave assertively and like a bloke. I made sure I walked ahead of him when we were out and did not wait while he faffed about. We had to go home in separate cars and luckily I had left hardly any petrol in the one he used (it's usually him that does that to me). I went off first and left him to do the washing up, and close down the cottage. I currently have my channel of choice on the TV and he has rolled home an hour later than me. I have put clean sheets on the bed but not put on the sheet and blankie for his side, nor his stupid chillow insert thing. The bed is made up how I like it.

I keep checking for fledgling testicles and while they are not there yet, I do feel I may be about to grow some.

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BoffinMum · 05/04/2013 21:48

Auld, email if you like.

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AnyFucker · 05/04/2013 21:54

channel those cojones

nurture them

water them, help them grow

but don't wait too long

atm, although you sound like the kinda person I would want to hang out with, you are acting like a doormat

this is not a "special" person in the correct meaning of the term, although he certainly thinks he is deserving of special consideration...and you are supplying it

sorry x

BoffinMum · 05/04/2013 22:16

AnyFucker, be gentle with me. I am new to this. I am sure I can learn fast.

I have wanted to hang out with you too ever since you changed your Xmas name to AnyFuckerForAMincePie. That was inspired. Grin

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BoffinMum · 05/04/2013 22:17

I have such a busy day planned for DH tomorrow. He won't know what hit him.

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AnyFucker · 05/04/2013 22:19

I don't think you are "new" to this really

You know exactly what you are colluding with, and have been for some time Sad

mrslaughan · 05/04/2013 22:28

All I wanted to say boffin, is that I hope you manage to get you (not so) DH to engage with the family.

All I can think is, if he actually got up, got energized, (got fit - ie actually did some exercise) engaged with the family, he may not need so much sleep.
Clinically depressed or not - exercise will help his lethargy

I seriously would find it hard not to have killed him.... He would have driven me crazy!!

MavisGrind · 05/04/2013 22:32

Aww, Boffin, well done! If you'd said your H was an academic then I'd swear he was my X....apparently he needs more sleep than most because all the thinking he has to do for his job makes him exceptionally exhausted and I couldn't possibly understand this, not having a doctorate Hmm

Be kind to yourself, and I really hope you can get through to him. He'll be full of more shit while you make your point but stand firm! and listen to AF

BoffinMum · 05/04/2013 22:33

A bit of me wants you all over here to stage a 7am intervention on my behalf. Wet sponges and everything. How great would that be?

I might do a live waking him up thread actually.

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AnyFucker · 05/04/2013 22:34

I'm on your side, Boffy Smile

BoffinMum · 05/04/2013 22:37

Mavis, tell your DH I do have a doctorate and strangely I need only 7.5 hours a night. Perhaps he isn't that clever if all the thinking exhausts him. Wink

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Charbon · 05/04/2013 22:38

BoffinMum have you thought that this might be an opportunity to separate? He mentioned the inheritance and so could this be a good time financially to consider separation and shared residence, when he wouldn't be able to sleep when he's in sole charge of the children?

I don't want to be presumptuous, but I can't imagine your sex life is all that you'd want it to be or that your desire is strong. Add this to the sheer exhaustion you must be feeling, might it be time to think the unthinkable and at least give his proposal some serious consideration, but make it a formal separation?

BoffinMum · 05/04/2013 22:38

Christ I am practically getting chest hair just thinking about that, AnyFucker. I may even stop plucking my lady tache.

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JulieCarp · 05/04/2013 22:40

He needs to have 24 hour breaks because he is stressed and demands are made on him Shock
Im sorry but he is an adult - Does he ever consider anyone but himself.
He has 3 children and a wife - do they disappear when he is having one of his moments ??!!
We all have moments when we are stressed and probably dream of lying in bed alone,no stressors or demands but ... we have responsibilities and children who need us and make do with a cup of tea and a fair bit of chocolateBrew Wine or running,walking,swimming .
He doesnt appear to have developed any of the coping skills required when dealing with the ups and downs of family life and you and your children are bearing the brunt Sad

AnyFucker · 05/04/2013 22:40

well, King Kong is just starting on ITV 3

MavisGrind · 05/04/2013 22:41

I'm soooo frustrated on your behalf with this though as I know just what it's like. I was speaking to a friend today about what it was like to be married to XH and I realised that in over 12 years of being together we went away for a weekend on our own twice, and that I spent most weekends on my own, or laterly with the dcs, as he was asleep.

What a fucking waste (and why I'm determined to get out and do stuff now!)

I'm not actually suggesting you LTB as I wouldn't actually have chosen to be a single parent. However unless your H is going to undergo a radical change you're always going to pick up the slack where he lets you down.

I used to do 90% of everything when I was married - that extra 10% is much easier to cover when there is no seething resentment that I'm not actually in a partnership.

Apologies Blush rant over!

Now then, where would you like me to aim the cold, wet sponge.. Grin

BoffinMum · 05/04/2013 22:41

Charbon, I'm going to have a go at kicking him up the arse first, I think.

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MavisGrind · 05/04/2013 22:46

Ha ha ha, I'd love to point out that he's actually shit at his job but this would just be met with the long held belief that he is impossibly important to the continuation of the mental evolution of humankind and I just don't get it. Hmm Yeah. Really.

Honestly, I don't think all academics are idiots Wink but some are just total arses..

Charbon · 05/04/2013 22:46

I hope he changes. But I'm still of the view that this is deep-rooted sexism at work here and not just laziness and selfishness. I honestly think you'll have to tackle that first before seeing any improvement. I think even though he might be the sort to spout equality and is intelligent enough to publicly espouse it, he doesn't truly believe in it or think it applies to him.

AnyFucker · 05/04/2013 22:48

This guy thinks he is advancing the human condition ?

Those who sleep, die

Really they do

MavisGrind · 05/04/2013 22:53

AF I wish I'd been on MN ten years ago... I so would have kicked him out (or at least realised what shit I lived amongst and not been so clueless when he finally left)

Yep, he really is That Important. Fucker.

AnyFucker · 05/04/2013 22:56

Ah, wish fulfillment is a glorious thing Smile

I wish I had MN at various points in my life.

StephaniePowers · 05/04/2013 23:11

Boffinmum I can erm sympathise with a lot of what you say.
My dh is a bit lacking in the old lustre these days and it is pretty much down to lack of testosterone, for which he has been tested and had things prescribed. He keeps missing appointments but the responsibility is missing from his repertoire Hmm I am not sure how long I can be arsed encouraging him to reschedule appointments and tolerating him missing them.
Anyway food for thought, not that it negates the dragging, dreary feelings you have.

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