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Really fed up with DH - mid life crisis type post - long

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BoffinMum · 04/04/2013 19:08

So, DH has a long history of being a bit of a grumpy old sod at home more often than not when it suits him, and lying in bed at every opportunity (at the weekend it's usually more or less all morning, plus at least a 2 hour nap in the afternoons, plus slipping upstairs for a bit more of a lie down at regular intervals whenever I am not looking). I have pointed out he is doing less and less with us as a family, that we have become a very stereotypically gendered household in some respects, and that he might be depressed but he replies:

  1. No he isn't, He is just tired.
  2. He works hard and commutes to London (NB I also have a full time job and commute to London, he replies his commute is half an hour longer each way and I get to work from home sometimes).
  3. He needs more sleep than me.
  4. He does some of the washing and cooks once a week or so.
  5. He earns more than me which makes his job more important to propping up the lifestyle of the family.
  6. Two weekends out of three in term time he takes the older two to the local station on a Saturday morning to get the train to school (20 minutes there and back, then he goes back to bed).


(I have posted on here in the past about the rampant hypochondria linked to the lie downs, but luckily that has now diminished to more or less tolerable proportions since encouraged by MN I told him to man up and that there was nothing wrong with him, although he did strut about in front of our Christmas day guests with a thermometer thingy in his ear at one stage, so the hypochondria has obv not gone completely).

Now he lost his dad a couple of weeks ago, and the funeral was yesterday. I have been doing all the necessary propping up and wifely support that you would expect and which is only right. However his reaction to this is like an extreme version of his normal-lying-in-bed-complaining-all-the-time-not-doing-much-with-the-family. When his mum died a few years back it was also extreme. I think it's probably not an exaggeration to say that he copped out of family life for an entire year on that occasion (I remember speaking to relatives about it for advice at the time, I was so exhausted and fed up). I had five, repeat five bereavements of my own during the same period, including one of my closest, dearest relatives, but they were more or less ignored because he was so wrapped up in himself and his own grief.

I am really worried I am facing another year or so of doing all the heavy lifting for the family emotionally and domestically while he disappears into his psychological defence cave. I am not sure I have anything left to give. Over the last year or so I have felt suffocated by his moods and needs for lie downs, absolutely suffocated, and imprisoned in the house while we wait for him to wake up/get up/get dressed/get washed and join in. It's like we are all perpetually in limbo, and when we do get out, he's such a wet weekend it's no fun any more. I struggle to do the whole thing on my own as my mobility isn't the best.

He never volunteers to take the kids to the park, play with them or anything - if I don't nag him or do it myself the 3YO would basically spend all weekend indoors more or less entertaining himself, and the older ones would just sit in their rooms. He does however run around in a complete frenzy on a Sunday evening at 9pm in an attempt to find their PE kits and get them to complete their homework, at which time we are all completely frazzled frankly.

When he is at home, DH disappears off regularly and if he's not in bed, after half an hour or so he will appear and say things like 'well, I've tidied the kids's rooms/tidied our rooms/put everything away' very proudly, when the reality is that this is a 5 minute job stretched out to 30 as I have already usually spent the morning on domestic tasks, and he is actually multi tasking in the most inefficient way possible - dabbling about doing a bit of a job here, a bit of a job there, never quite finishing anything, criticising the way I organise the house. If he runs out of these pointless domestic tasks to occupy himself, that's when he goes off to lie in bed for a bit, rather than do something with the kids.

I have tried playing his lying in bed game as well, to see what happens, but basically the kids just end up rather neglected and start fighting, and he gets even grumpier.

I am really exhausted with all this. It is not what I got married for, tbh. I have just snapped at him and told him to 'see a fucking counsellor FFS' Blush and while I apologised straight afterwards, he has now driven off in a sulk to get away from the house. I am not getting what I need emotionally from this marriage at the moment, at all.

Oh dear, what on earth do other people do in this situation?
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marriedinwhiteagain · 05/04/2013 23:16

Just a thought but:

Poor sleeping at night
rituals with sheets and blankets and heat
exhausted in the day plus minor ailments
needs to nap
Stressed and a short fuse

Apart from all the other isssues, has he had his thyroid checked. I recall similar symptoms 20 odd years ago and it was a raging, out of control thyroid.

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BoffinMum · 05/04/2013 23:18

Well we have MN now, like some sort of karmic gift.

I continue with my offensive. I make him walk across the room for everything. I make him fetch and carry. I hid his Private Eye collection that he relies on for entertainment during his long toilet personal space interludes. He was confused about the sheet/blanket absence but I just said I found it uncomfortable to have them on my side as well as a duvet. I bought cheap frying steak for his Saturday night treat. I will tell the kids he has promised to make them pancakes first thing, when they wake up. Mwah hah hah.

I am also going to buy myself some silk pyjamas with money from the current account. Shock

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BoffinMum · 05/04/2013 23:19

No, I have frogmarched him to the doctor in a number of occasions, and he has attended a sleep clinic, and there was fuck all wrong with him.

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HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 05/04/2013 23:20

Boffin in my mind you definitely appear to be growing a pair.

Well done, keep it up.

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MavisGrind · 05/04/2013 23:29

Boffin out of interest, how does he treat other people who are close to him - eg his DM or DF? He doesn't seem to have much respect for you and I wonder if this is because he doesnt' have respect for anyone or if he's just got used to taking you and your dcs for granted?

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racingheart · 05/04/2013 23:46

Yes, Boffin, yes. Silk PJs just for starters. Do lots of fun things and easy things. You have had a really rough few years. You've been very unwell too. Both of you are on a knife edge and laying into each other. I'd back off him for a while, for no other reason than it isn't working and if confrontation doesn't have the desired effect, you need another tactic.

Please try and make life very very easy for yourself for a while. I know it sounds trite, but trite works sometimes.
Get out a stack of funny silly films and watch them with DC.
Buy very easy meals or ready meals/take aways for a week or two if you can afford it.

Get your older DC to each cook for at least one night a week. Every week. Even if they just stir pesto into boiled pasta and open a bag of salad. Don't make it a chore or battle of wills, but a pleasure. (And make the deal that whoever cooks also washes up, so they don't use every pan in the house.)

Ask DC to do their own washing - again - not as penance, and certainly not because you tell them you've had enough of being the go-to skivvy - otherwise you help them buy into the myth that housework is slavery and beneath them. It's not. It's no big deal and everyone should be sharing the load. It's part of them learning independence.

Then you are down to doing your own and your pre-schoolers washing - nothing else on the laundry front, with two nights off from cooking a week. Get a take away or ready meal for a third night.

Use that time to rest and have fun. You sound like there's not much joy in your life. day to day, and you deserve to get that back. It's not your job to have to bark orders at your family. They are all, except the 3 year old capable of pulling their weight. Show them how and then let them, nicely. Take all the bitterness and confrontation out of it.

For now, just give yourself a mental break from him and have more fun at all times, with DC, with him, if at all humanly possible, certainly without him. You don't sound like you like him very much and yet you don't seem to want him to leave. He won't help himself in any of the ways you suggest, so you need to just allow yourself a breather from being so caught up in his lethargy and misery.

Can you make a list of stuff you'd like to do with or without your DC, that won't leave you feeling washed out - anything from what music to listen to, to ready prepped food you'd love to eat? Then do some of it, have some of it each day. It's not an answer to your problem but it is a break from it, and you need a break.

Could you face going for a pint with your OH and not talking about your issues, but just having a drink? He's not behaving well but you both sound like you are locked into your own private misery without space to feel much for each other, and you both need a breather from the pressure of that constant mood.

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pollypandemonium · 06/04/2013 00:35

He then came back and announced maybe he would spend his inheritance on a place near the boys' school and live there during the week. I just said oh, don't you want to live with me then, in a nice way. He then was quiet for a bit. I don't think he meant it.

Read this bit again Boffin. How would you feel if he did do what he suggeted?
Hopefully AF will have a more experienced analysis.

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Tortington · 06/04/2013 01:15

sounds like your making a great start

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pollypandemonium · 06/04/2013 01:21

I meant AF or another experienced poster. Wink

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FreeButtonBee · 06/04/2013 07:05

I like you with balls, Boffin. Hope the morning goes 'well'!

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BoffinMum · 06/04/2013 08:31

Racingheart, they are good suggestions, thank you.

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BoffinMum · 06/04/2013 08:31

Polly, if he did that I would feel I had less hassle in my life!!

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BoffinMum · 06/04/2013 08:34

Racingheart, I do have an AP to help with kids' things so I am not totally downtrodden, and he does help a bit, but I certainly still have plenty to do. I can do things like refuse to process loads of washing he has half done, for example.

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BoffinMum · 06/04/2013 08:49

Well, he has a right face on him now as I have forced him to be awake from about 7.30. He has pointedly home downstairs to make DS3's breakfast. He is not laughing at any of my jokes. He is a Grumpy Man today, that's for sure.

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TunipTheVegedude · 06/04/2013 08:53

Good luck Boff x

I like JulieCarp's post about him needing to develop coping skills other than sleeping a lot.

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Corygal · 06/04/2013 09:05

I have been lurking and wish you all the best. What flew out to me was the way he reacted to you in the pub when you brought up even the smallest problem - he immediately threatened to leave you.

Was that a threat or a promise? I reckon he knows you don't want to be a SM again and it was a pathetic attempt at leverage. Not pleasant. What if he realised right now that leverage has no traction?

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Corygal · 06/04/2013 09:05

I also note he mentioned spending his inheritance on himself, not the family.

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fancyanother · 06/04/2013 09:30

I'm sorry, I just needed to chip in here, I'm so outraged on our behalf! Call his bluff- tell him to bugger off and live away during the week ( and weekends too, for that matter, or 'be out' during the weekends, and see how 'tired' he is when he has no clean pants or plates in the house because his slave isn't around) It sounds like you are financially independent and the boys are in boarding school, which he would still have to pay for. If you only have he weekends as a family, he is wasting precious time- yours, your children's as well as his own. When you fall out of love with someone, the scales fall from you eyes about their faults. It sounds like this is what has happened to you. If he had to live on his own, it may give him the shock he needs to buck up his ideas or it may just make you realise how much better your life is alone.

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BoffinMum · 06/04/2013 10:04

He wanted to have a big talk, so I told him all the main points again and suggested counselling for him. I said I couldn't go through another year of him basically copping out of family life in the name of grief, and that while I could provide the usual wifely support I could not be the sole person he leaned on as I was not able to do it alone. I pointed out that he had not been there for me when my grandfather died as his mother died at the same time and everything was shunted to one side as we all had to focus on the death of his mother. I also said I didn't get the emotional support I needed in the marriage and I felt like a doormat.

He is pretty disgusted now to say the least, and his response was to say that I am incredibly high maintenance, that he has been proppping me up for our entire marriage because I am so moody, that he supported me through years of post natal depression and that basically I want it all my own way.

We got a phone call in the middle of all this so that broke the conversation and he has now gone off to have a bath.

This is not going well at all. Sad

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TunipTheVegedude · 06/04/2013 10:11

You have never come across on here as high maintenance. Maybe he is confusing moodiness with you being justifiably pissed off when he doesn't do his share.

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BoffinMum · 06/04/2013 10:13

I think you are onto something there. But you lot only know me online. I might be a real bitch in RL. Ask Auld!

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marriedinwhiteagain · 06/04/2013 10:26

I can't really say anything Boff but if he won't change or see the need for change and if you are unhappy might you both be happier apart - at least for a bit?

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midgeymum2 · 06/04/2013 10:34

Riiiight....so this would all be your fault then? There's a surprise! And has he ever brought up any of these 'issues' to you before? Or is this just a tit for tat response to engineer the situation back to trying to get you to feel sorry for him because he's somehow deserving of 'special' treatment? And when you want "it" all your own way, what does this mean? Is "it" your marriage? Is there something wrong with wanting your marriage to be equal?


Sorry I'm not being terribly coherent - I'm very cross on your behalf! I did have some thoughts yesterday that perhaps his behaviour has a medical reason or is due to grief and, as I am very fortunate indeed to not have a great deal of first hand experience in these areas, I wouldn't dare to presume that his behaviour can't be attributed to these things.

But as you said yourself 'there's fuck all wrong with him' and his response this morning to the slightest insistence that he spend time with his family is shocking. I'm sorry but he is just being a twat. All this because he was asked to make pancakes and get up before 8? Good grief! How does he manage to hold down a job? He needs to get his head out of his arse and engage with the real world.

This may not be something you can 'make' him do though...

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BoffinMum · 06/04/2013 10:38

You have to understand he genuinely, genuinely believes he does half when he is at home, and that this is an equal opportunities marriage. He honestly doesn't realise how disengaged, self-obsessed and boring he has become.

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TunipTheVegedude · 06/04/2013 10:40

But how can he believe that when he is in bed so much?
What does he think you are doing in that time?

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