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What's the best way to get XH to stop touching me?!

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HowToSayNo · 02/04/2013 09:32

I'm normally assertive, and normally this isn't an issue, but a recurring theme with XH is his overstepping boundaries.

When we were together there were issues with sex and abuse. He raped me once (not violently, not that that matters, just ignored the fact that I was saying no), and sexually assaulted me another time. He would always carry on doing whatever it was for a while after being asked or told to stop (even when he did listen and even if the reason was because he was hurting me). Funnily enough it's not the reason I left him. That was due to all the EA that went with it.

Anyway, just wanted to give context (Name changed).

So there have been a few occasions over the past couple of years where he has decided to hug me or put his arm around me during pick ups or drop offs of the dcs. Since we split I have come to terms with what has happened and can see it now as sexual abuse and it disgusts me. I hate myself for not standing up for myself (I would freeze rather than fight), but hate him more, especially since he knew I had been attacked as a young teen and struggled for a long time with my sexual identity.

I now have an amazing new dp, and we're expecting our first dc, getting married, he's so loving and patient and everything XH isn't.

So on Saturday when dropping off the dcs, I'm stood inside the door with dp beside me, and XH asks me to come outside for a private word. He then tells me how thrilled he is about the new baby (?!) and hugs me. I don't hug back. I freeze, say thanks very stuntedly and that it's cold and I go back inside.

I want to tell him to never ever touch me again as long as he lives. Dp then has to deal with me feeling rubbish and weak and like I've let myself down. And I know dp would happily tell XH and stand between us, but I think it's my fight.

Anyone else would say "how lovely that he's so happy for you all" but I know it's all more manipulative lies. It's almost like he's behaving like he'll be an uncle-figure to my baby (if I could I would keep him away from his own dcs, whenever he has them I fear for their safety, he is utterly self absorbed and careless).

Since when it happens I go in to victim-mode and can't stand up for myself, and since I think it's right that dp should be kept out of it, I'm thinking of sending an email or something. But I don't want the fallout and he also has a nasty habit of doing the opposite of what I ask. But if I've stated my case then I think were it to happen again (which it probably will) dp could step in if needed.

Sorry this is long and rambling. Any ideas? I just feel so vulnerable and pathetic.

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Corygal · 02/04/2013 22:40

He's rank and trying it on. Tell your DP then do whatever you must to stop it, but shouting 'Do Get OFF ME' in a clear tone usually does the trick.

He's getting off on it.

HowToSayNo · 02/04/2013 22:46

Doin, you are my hero :)

Cory, if he ever tries it again I will scream if need be.

And I think you're right, I think he sees it as a power trip.

He says nasty horrible things to me by text etc, then is all "all I want is for you to be happy" in front of others.

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tightfortime · 02/04/2013 22:50

Use the support you are getting to empower you.

I went through same, the hugs at drop off. I would freeze, then kick myself for not telling him fuck off.

I actually waited (goaded) him into an argument, stormed out of his place and as I was leaving roared 'and another thing, hug me again and I'll let a third party who's been dying to sort you out, do it'

We get on ok now but he hasn't done it again. Half the control is thinking they are inside our head. Once they know you are telling others and taking back the control, the cowards back off, usually.

Congrats on your fab new life too!

HowToSayNo · 02/04/2013 22:56

Thanks TFT.

no reply as yet. He might just completely ignore it.

But dp and I are armed now. No more stepping over the boundaries. Earlier in the thread it was said that he's a give an inch, take a mile type. And that's spot on.

I just need to stand firm on all the boundaries.

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clam · 02/04/2013 23:10

If he's underpaying maintenance when he feels like it, would it not be preferable to go through the CSA?

FishfingersAreOK · 02/04/2013 23:30

and another hug. Well done.

ScarletWomanoftheVillage · 03/04/2013 07:26

Well done, op, well done.

If he says nice "I just want you to be happy" type stuff in front of others then you can come back with " that's not the impression I got from your last text/email when you called me a bitch/ said you couldn't give a fuck" if it is in front of the children, you can modify and say " your last text states otherwise"

Your DP sounds like a right treasure and together you will be able to give your X short shrift!

Jaynebxl · 03/04/2013 08:13

Because you are only connected to him now and not his property he has no right even to have a private word with you so if he asked for that again I'd just say no, say it here in front of DP. And if he ever tried to hug you again you could always say what on earth makes you think I want a hug from someone who raped me?! And in your shoes I would be telling a few facts of how it really was to tour family so they no longer think he is a benign ex family member.

Jaynebxl · 03/04/2013 08:14

Sorry... Somehow missed that there was anything beyond page1!

HowToSayNo · 03/04/2013 10:54

Clam, I will if I have to, but some of his money is from renting property etc so I worry he'd hide it.

Jayne, :) still useful.

Scarlet, thank you so much. I've got a stress headache this morning. Been awake since 4. Stupid insomnia.

Anyways... I've had a reply. What is it about abusers and changing method every two seconds? How on earth did I stand that mind fuck for so long?!

The first sentence is a simple "oh." That's the reaction to my saying "because of the sexual assaults and rape in our marriage..."

Followed up by a gushing, (paraphrased) "I'm just so pleased for you and the way your life is going and dp, and I was just so excited to see your family who I miss sooo much, and if there's anything I can do to ease the transition for the dcs with the new baby then just say"

So from "don't give a fuck" to "I care soooo much" in a couple of hours.

I haven't replied. I will keep a record.

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HowToSayNo · 03/04/2013 10:55

Argh ! Missed fishfinger! Thank you too :)

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ScarletWomanoftheVillage · 03/04/2013 12:14

if there's anything I can do to ease the transition for the dcs with the new baby then just say

Yes, there is something you can do. Back. The fuck. Off.

Grin

Sorry you've got such a headache, op. Good you have decided to ignore his response. The best thing you can do is engage with him as little as is humanly possible. Hope sending the email made you feel a bit more on top of the situation.

He is horrible.

ChasedByBees · 03/04/2013 12:17

Just read this and so glad you're being strong and that you've told family now. He really is a creep, it sounds like everything he says is manipulative including these last texts.

I really would go to the police and report him anyway, you're worried about the care of your children and I would be concerned about the influence of someone who is sexually abusive in terms of what messages he might pass on, even unwittingly. You have excellent evidence in his letters.

I can see that might be like throwing a hand grenade into your life though.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 03/04/2013 12:32

Your penultimate post, OP, "I will keep a record", tell him THAT.

Best wishes to you. :)

HowToSayNo · 03/04/2013 12:45

Thanks again scarlet.

Lyingwitch, :)

Chasedbybees, I'm considering calling and getting it logged. I would
Hate myself if he ever did this again and got away with it. I just really don't want any more hassle either

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tb · 03/04/2013 21:16

I can remember working with someone who was always invading our personal space.

We didn't think that he could cope with women at a non-clerical level - we were both just slightly below his level although worked for another group company.

He would ask you if you had 2 minutes to spare - 15-20 minutes later, he'd finished. He also had a horrible habit of making a point by putting a hand on your arm, in a not quite leaning on you sort of way and pressing, rather than just touching.

Finally, when he moved in one day to press his hand down on my folded forearm, I held up my hand - a bit like a policeman's 'stop' signal and said "Mike, unless you have written permission from both my parents, please don't touch me". He never did it again.

HowToSayNo · 03/04/2013 22:23

Tb, sounds really uncomfortable. I do like your response.

I've had no further contact from XH.

No idea when next contact will be either. The next planned date is in may. So we shall see.

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