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Boarding school sadness: elderly mum won't let me say it.

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Shagmundfreud · 03/03/2013 16:35

Bit of history: myself and my two siblings were packed off to not very nice boarding schools at the age of 11 after my parents decided it was a better option than the perfectly reasonable local schools in the countries they travelled to as part of my father's work. I stayed until I was 17, my sister left at 16. I understand my parents chose boarding school believing they were doing right by us and giving us a bit of stability with our education, but I honestly think both my sister and myself were very damaged by the experience. My brother maybe less so. I realised in my twenties that some of my reckless teenage behaviour may have been a result of low self-worth linked to feeling abandoned and totally unloved during such a long period of my adolescence. But I met DH at 28 and married, and have had a happy life since my mid twenties.

My sister spent 20 years in a relationship with an older man (who she saw as her life partner) who patronised her, who refused to share a home with her, refused to even let her keep any clothes at his house. For 20 years. At one point he was planning to buy the flat upstairs from his landlord and rent it to my sister at a market rent. Eventually she left him for another older man who was worse because he was physically as well as financially and emotionally abusive to her; he really ruined her life. She left her relationship with him an alcoholic - homeless and broke. Luckily she has got her life back on track after she left him, and my brother and I are close to her and love her very much. At 50 she is back working in a job she loves, and she shares a home with my widowed mother (she owned a flat when she met her last partner, but he got her to sell it and then spent the equity on living expenses, and paying off his debt. She has no home and no savings now, but thankfully can live with my mum, who she looks after).

On friday evening I mentioned to my mother a story my sister told me the other day, about visiting and elderly aunt, who remembered taking her out from boarding school for a weekend visit to the seaside when she was 11. The aunt told my sister that she remembered her walking on to the beach, sitting down on the stones and just sobbing for ages. She said she remembered my sister being very sad. My sister said that that point it all came flooding back to her - the feelings of fear and loneliness that she'd experienced at school, and that she had to go to the bathroom and compose herself. Since then she's been thinking about it and wondering whether it contributed to the quite sad life she led from her 20's until quite recently (she's now nearly 50, unmarried and childless). I've always wondered why it is that a woman as beautiful, loving and bright as my sister felt she didn't deserve to be cared for and protected by her partners. She was incredibly secretive for a couple of decades from about 18 to nearly 40. We didn't see her that often and she kept us at an arms length. She was very disconnected from family at that point and leading quite an odd life, working in poorly paid catering jobs for quite a bit of it, despite having fantastic O'level grades and being very bright and very beautiful.

When I look at ds1, who is nearly 10, I can't believe that at nearly the same age my sister and I were separated from my parents for 9 months of the year, and went weeks and weeks without a kind touch or a hug from anyone. I remember having panic attacks - shivering and being wracked with nausea - after lights were turned out at night at school, but not having the language to explain to anyone what I was feeling. These panic attacks also happened when I went out to stay with my parents in the holidays. My mum took me to the doctor who prescribed librium. To an 11 year old. Sad My sister's experience was even worse because when she went to boarding school at 11 she was the only one in the family who went. At least I had her in the same school. I remember her telling me how she was sent to coventry for the whole of her first term at school by all the other girls - she was bullied because she had an afro and looked different Sad (we're both caucasian, but my sister looks mixed race, especially when she was a young girl - we have very full lips, and my sister had a tight curly afro). And I remember my mother telling the story of how, when my sister came home for the Christmas holiday after that first time, she was dirty - her neck was grey and her hair was matted, and when my mother opened her suitcase it was full of dirty clothes. Basically she'd been thoroughly, properly neglected. But they still sent her back even though she pleaded with them not to.

At 17 she refused to go back and because my parents were going abroad again (they'd been back in the UK for a few years at this point, but still kept us at boarding school half an hours drive away), they they allowed her to move into a bedsit and attend the local FE college to do A-levels. She became pregnant and had a termination, and my parents and moved abroad the week after. The bedsit they rented for her was HIDEOUS - in a run down building full of weird people and drifters. It was the cheapest place they could find. In the meantime they were living in splendor, with a full-time cook, a driver, gardeners, servants and a big 'entertainment' allowance. My sister flunked all her A levels and got work as a waitress, which she continued for a long time, until returning to college as an adult student in her early 30's.

My recollections of boarding school include being bullied, ignored and even hungry. Of self harming. And never having any kindness or love shown to me. So much of the time I was lonely and frightened. It might have been ok for a hugely gregarious child, but that wasn't me. I was shy and didn't make an impression on anyone. That meant I was pretty much ignored by children and teachers alike.

Anyway, what's upset me was the fact that when I mentioned to my mum the recounting of the story about my sister crying on the beach at the age of 11, (and mentioned that dsis had speculated about how or if the experience of boarding school might be related to her alcoholism in adulthood) my mum's response was to turn on me really nastily, and accuse me of trying to make her feel guilty. She said that my dd was having a hard time (she is - we're really struggling with her behaviour) and she wasn't at boarding school, and anyway, that's all in the past now, everyone has sad things in their life, and they just get over it, and you know, it was hard for her too. And she didn't want me digging it up and making her feel bad.

At one point she said 'it was hard for me too', to which I responded 'you were an adult and you had a choice'. But I did say - "I know you and dad felt you were doing the right thing for us and I'm not blaming you. I know you did your best". She then went really cold and angry on me and I decided to get the kids together and come home. I spoke to her today and can still hear the coldness and anger in her voice, and I know I'll never mention the subject again. But I feel angry on my behalf and my sister's that we've never, ever been able to acknowledge something in our childhood which damaged us and which (I think) had long term emotional sequalae, because my mum believes her feelings deserve above all to be protected. It's made me feel ...... really, really resentful of my mum. I keep looking at her and thinking how spoiled she is.

Not really looking for an answer. Just needed to get it off my chest.

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AnnieLobeseder · 03/03/2013 16:41

Wow, such a sad story! You were abandoned by your parents, to the point where they didn't even take you back when they moved back to the UK. I'm not surprised you were damaged by it.

I would imagine your mother feels very guilty about it, and doesn't want you reminding her of her guilt.

Not sure how to deal with your mother, but for your own sake I'd recommend counselling.

chucksaway · 03/03/2013 16:44

I don't blame you for feeling the way you do and shame your mum gave you the cold shoulder ... still thinking about herself ... I couldn't imagine sending my kids to boarding school ... I would be able to sleep at night. I don't have any advice but one thing I will say is that you have both come through that period, what happened in the past although the effects can be felt now please don't let it damage your future. Wish you all the very best

Hissy · 03/03/2013 16:46

Well, what happened to you and your siblings WAS wrong, you did suffer and you DO have the right to be hurt, angry and resentful towards your parents.

Your mum is bullying you now, into never bringing this up again. Ok, so you won't ever get anywhere with her, but you DO need to address your feelings on this.

Could you try therapy? I know it really helped me with my family issues.

Otherwise, can you pop along to the Stately Homes thread on here? It's a place for people who have had abusive or neglectful, unhappy childhoods due to the actions of our parents.

It'll really help you see that this was not your fault, but that you do have a right to be heard.

(((hugs)))

Mollydoggerson · 03/03/2013 16:55

You could print off the above and send it to your mother in letter format. I don't know if it would help you or not, but at least she would know how you feel and you would know you have communicated everything to her.

Most likely you will never feel that your mother will make ammends for the past. You may just have to accept that.

I have a similar (but not as severe) relationship with my mother. She is the master of minimising and denial, and my mother behaves like this in order to protect herself and others from reality and the past. Their generation thought differently to ours, they have a different approach to life. I suppose their actions are a result of their own upbringing.

A good counsellor may be able to advise you on coping strategies.

Sunnywithshowers · 03/03/2013 16:55

I'm sorry for what you both went through OP. Big hugs xxx

My mother refuses to talk about the umpteen years my DSis and I witnessed DV, and the effects its had on our lives. She's in denial about how bad it was. I'm 41 now and it still causes me pain.

The Stately Homes thread is lovely.

KitchenandJumble · 03/03/2013 17:04

It does sound as though you and your siblings had a very difficult time, especially your sister. Well done to her that she managed to turn her life around. That takes real strength and courage.

Based on your mother's reaction, I would imagine that she won't welcome any other references to this subject. I think that as a general rule, parents are very willing to forgive themselves for making mistakes. And the sad and ironic corollary is that (adult) children are usually very unwilling to forgive their parents for making mistakes.

However, you don't seem to follow that corollary, OP. You sound as though you have a very measured and kind attitude to your parents. It's a shame that your mother can't see that.

WishIdbeenatigermum · 03/03/2013 17:06

I think you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned your daughter OP. whatever she's going through, you are physically there for her. Your mother wasn't for you. She knows that and feels incredibly guilty, although she possibly can't admit it to herself even.
I think counselling for you is an excellent idea- you may never get an apology or even acknowledgement from her, but you can feel peaceful about what happened to you without it.

eminemmerdale · 03/03/2013 17:06

You know what - my sister and I (more my sister) had a really rubbish time with our mother , not once will she acknowledge she has done anything wrong - she just cries or changes the subject. I understand your anger and disappointment :(

greyvix · 03/03/2013 17:16

This is a really sad post. My DH and his 2 siblings were sent to boarding school at seven; I cannot comprehend that parents could do that. Well done for broaching it with your mother. Hopefully she will reflect on it, and realise the role she played. Everyone has choices; your parents did not have to work abroad, and your mother did not need to choose supporting her husband over supporting her children. He was a grown man, and you were of an age where you needed emotional support.
I think that things have moved on, and our experiences of our own childhoods has made us better parents. Of course our children can be difficult, but they have the emotional support from us that enables them to test boundaries and find themselves.

Helltotheno · 03/03/2013 17:16

OP you would be perfectly within your right to be angry. Basically, your parents properly abandoned you and your siblings and not just in relation to boarding school; it sounds like they just didn't want to have to deal with children.

Boarding school is not for every personality and I know plenty of families where all the children were packed off and basically, some sank, some swam, and in some of those cases, there were tragic outcomes in later years.

Don't be apologetic towards your mother. Stand your ground and just don't contact her if necessary. At some point when the time is right, tell her that you will not play along with her rewriting of history and refusal to take the appropriate level of responsibility for how things turned out. And of course, I second everyone who has said do get counselling to straighten things out in your own head.

Shagmundfreud · 03/03/2013 18:28

Thank you everyone.

When my mother said that to me, my initial thought was 'why couldn't you just say'... something along the lines of 'I'm sorry that you had such a sad time'. And maybe, 'with hindsight it would have been better for you not to have gone'. Because actually I think she knows they shouldn't have sent us and does regret it. Especially as academically it really wasn't a good thing: I didn't do well at school because I did no work at all, and nobody bothered to try to make me. I was pretty much ignored. My parents had NO involvement in our academic life at all. My sister did well up to 16 but she would have done well anywhere - she was so hard working and so bright.

"it sounds like they just didn't want to have to deal with children"

The thing is they were lovely to us when we were tiny, and I felt very loved as a small child. Which I think made it even more shocking for us to be shunted out at 11 into such a deeply UNLOVING and harsh environment.

TBH I think one of the worst things about my parents is that in some ways they were such crashing snobs. My dad was a diplomat, but he'd got into the foreign office without doing a degree or even finishing school. My mum had also left school at 14 and both came from working class families. My mum's family was very, very poor and her early life was hard. They had a ridiculous degree of respect for people who they saw as their social superiors; people with 'breeding', who had been to university. I think they took advice from very upper class colleagues of my fathers who put the value of an English boarding school education above the value of keeping your children close to you. My mother was very distressed by our going away, but not enough to stop it happening. My father I think quite liked us not being there. He liked having my mum to himself.

I'm not sure about counselling for me. I think just writing and thinking about it might be enough now. I've got a good marriage and although I suffer from anxiety and have been depressed in the last few years, I'm not sure it's related to my early experiences. I feel like I've dealt with those demons. Not sure my sister has, but the fact she has acknowledged without any prompting from me that her boarding school experiences were damaging and might be related to her later alcoholism is very positive.

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GrendelsMum · 03/03/2013 19:02

It sounds like you and your parents all had a very, very difficult time.

Without wishing to make apologies for your parents's relationships with you, I think they sound like they probably had a lot of difficulties to overcome in their lives. I'm guessing that your parents started their diplomatic career in the late 1960s? For two working class people who had left school early that must have been a very challenging environment, and I can imagine that they genuinely did think that they were doing the best for you by trying to create a new, better life. I'm not sure you should judge their decisions and views in the 1960s and 1970s by the standards of today.

I'm reminded of my own grandma who in some ways had a similar experience, and who also sent my mum to boarding school. My grandma never told me honestly how bad things were for her until shortly before her death.

My grandma had also grown up with the attitude that you said your mum had - this idea that frankly life is pretty crap, you just have to get through it, put it behind you and 'least said, soonest mended'. I think the idea of talking things through and acknowledging the past is quite a modern one, and many older people won't see it as a positive way to move forward.

Would you consider drawing a line between your mum's generation and your own, looking at having counselling yourself to reflect on your experiences and your feelings towards your mum, and allowing her to continue behaving as she was brought up to believe is best?

Shagmundfreud · 03/03/2013 20:18

Grendelsmum - yes you are right, life was so different for that generation of parents. My mum herself moved away from home at 15 after being rejected by her mothers new husband, who was an utter cunt by the sound of it. And my dad's family.... His mother used to unscrew the lightbulbs to stop her sons reading in the evening because she considered it a waste of time.... Shock

I do think it helps to try to see the context. I'm also very grateful that boarding school hasn't disrupted my loving friendship with my siblings (well my sister and I weren't close for many years but now show our affection for each other and love each other to bits).

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Bulletproofmum · 03/03/2013 20:29

I could have written much of your post. I went when I was 9. In my drunken moments with my mum I have frequently told her how unhappy I was. All I ever want to hear is an apology. Instead she is defensive, angry and hurt and claims it was all for me. It wasn't, there are always choices to be made. My dad didn't have to take a job abroad and/or she didn't have to go with him. They were in Nigeria and nearly all the 'wives' stayed in the uk. It is an unbelievable point of contention between my mother and I. I look at dc1, now8 and can't believe they could have done it. I wouldn't even speak to them for a whole term!

Even worse they sent db to a different school, essentially separating us from a young age.

Sleeping456 · 03/03/2013 20:34

What a sad story Shagmundfreud. I don't know how much reading you have done around this kind of thing but it is very very common for parents who have neglected or abused their children in the past to completely rewrite history and as in your case to refuse to take any responsibility at all.

Whilst people in that era did think very differently about these things, it is still cruel and heartless for your mother to refuse to address these issues now. It would of course take a big person to accept that what they had done may have harmed their children and she is obviously not a decent person I am afraid. Someone who would treat you like that as a child, is surely unlikely to transform into a lovely person years later who completely understands where you are coming from.

Your anxiety and depression are classic symptoms of unresolved childhood traumas. I am so glad you have a good marriage but it is screaming out to me and many others who have answered your post that counselling could do the world of good. Receiving acknowledgement of your feelings is a very powerful thing.

Good luck to you.

Dromedary · 03/03/2013 20:43

I think it might help to send the letter or email to your mother - so at least she has been told how you feel about what she and your father did, even if she does not acknowledge it to you. It sounds as though they may have sent you to boarding school because that was the done thing in their new posh circle and they were desperate to fit in, but didn't have the necessary nouse to ensure that you went to a good boarding school.

GrendelsMum · 03/03/2013 20:58

Is there another family member of the same generation you could talk to instead? You mentioned an aunt?

I'm thinking of a conversation I once had with an aunt (who to be honest, I'm not very close to), where I made what I thought was quite a trivial comment about a local school and she suddenly said, "Ah, that's your poor mother all over," and then made a very insightful comment about how my mother's experiences had shaped her attitude to life, and how in turn, she'd passed some of those unhappinesses down to me. It also made me look at my mother through very different eyes.

I can't blame my mother, or my grandmother for the situations they faced, so I've decided to blame 1930s fascism. Smile

Shagmundfreud · 03/03/2013 21:13

My mum is a very unusual person in some ways. She's always been the emotional centre if the family, and my dad worshipped her, even if in many ways he treated her like a child in relation to money and important family decisions. She is really controlling about odd things and can sometimes be very difficult and defensive. She can't bear to feel she's being criticised and jumps on me if I say anything she deems less than flattering. This goes as far as getting shirty last week when I pointed out that a cake she'd bought in a cake sale and cut me a slice of tasted strongly of washing up liquid. She was really cross with me for mentioning it, even though I did it tentatively. I can't tell you how many times I've eaten food that was inedibly salty because I was too scared to point out that her hand must have slipped while cooking. Recently I've noticed that some of her tea cups and plates are dirty - her eyesight is really bad now. I just quietly wash them as I know she'd be furious with me if I mentioned it. But I also know she'd be mortified if one of her friends noticed that her crockery wasn't clean. Puts me in a very awkward position. She really is quite a difficult person.

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GrendelsMum · 03/03/2013 21:18

Armchair psychology based on a family member, but does she have very low self-worth, ShagmundFreud? i.e. if she chose a bad cake, put too much salt in the food, can't wash up any more, she's worthless? What might seem a minor comment results in floods of tears and shouting?

wordyBird · 04/03/2013 03:13

Your posts are heart wrenchingly sad, SF.

Please think about following Hissy's advice. Do visit the Stately Homes thread, where you may find fellow travellers who have been where you are.

This may be painful, but there is more than a hint of narcissism/ NPD being described in your posts, with regard to your mother and father. Parents with these traits can cause untold damage to their children. The schools also completely failed to act with any degree of care toward you.

Thank goodness you and your siblings have real love for each other.

If any of you feel life could be better, I hope you won't hesitate to reach out and ask for help. Brew

BadLad · 04/03/2013 04:30

I went to boarding school from age 6, and apart from the first couple of weeks, and the first few days back there after a holiday, was totally unfazed by it. I think the problem is not boarding school itself, but the fact that it isn't for every child, and many parents are utterly oblivious to signs that it isn't a good thing for their child.

The problem can be even worse if it is a prestigious boarding school. Parents can go into full Hyancinth mode when they proudly announce that their child has got into the school, and be very reluctant to admit that the child can't cope, and the much hoped for route to Oxbridge won't be completed. I think some parents even worry that if they take their child out, then their friends and neighbours will think that they can't afford the school fees.

Gingerodgers · 04/03/2013 06:10

I had been considering boarding school for my kids when they are a bit older, but re thinking it now, thank you, I had a bit of a rose tinted view. What a horrible time..

HecateWhoopass · 04/03/2013 06:32

You can still say it even if she doesn't want to hear it.

It's ok to say something that you need to say, even if it is painful for the other person to hear it. You don't have to keep things that you need to say, bottled up, because you prioritise the other person above yourself.

Say how you feel if you think that doing so will help you.

you can say that you know she thought she was doing the right thing, etc, etc. It doesn't have to be an attack and it doesn't sound like it was one. But it's ok to say that it was horrible for you.

Your mum is attempting to emotionally blackmail you and that's not fair.

SelfconfessedSpoonyFucker · 04/03/2013 06:55

I think there might be a change in attitudes as well. DS had the opportunity to go to boarding school pretty much for free and have amazing coaching in his chosen sport at age ??12?? His sport would pay for it all except $500 a year and flights. We would have saved money by not paying for food for him for 9 months but it was 3000 miles away so we would hardly see him for that 9 months a year.

My parents thought we were crazy for not giving him that opportunity but I think kids at that age need their hair ruffled, their shoulders slapped, they need someone who will nurture them when they are sick or stressed or just need some loving. I also think they are at an age where they have a lot to learn about being an adult and growing up and need someone close to hand. We agreed that if we lived an hour or so away and he could come home for weekends that we would have done it, but not so far away. He ended up not going.

I think you do end up more independent and it can help with maturity, but I think it can have a bunch of downsides too.

I can see why it might be unbearably horrible for her to hear those things and I can see why it is awful for you to not be able to share those things with your parents. I don't think they are ever going to be able to say the things you need them to say though, that they are sorry, that they feel awful that it was such a bad experience and that they wish that they had chosen differently.

xigris · 04/03/2013 07:08

This is so sad. I'm reading this post with tears in my eyes. My father was packed of to boarding school at the age of eight. EIGHT! as my grandfather thought he was a 'mummy's boy' and needed to be 'toughened up'.It was a Cistercian Monastic school and horrifically strict. Not exactly Mallory Towers. My father rarely speaks about it. When we were children he was very distant from us and had serious alcohol problems. My parents ended up divorcing when my sister and I were in our teens. He's now abstinent from alcohol but it's been a long, difficult ride - for him and for us. He has a lovely partner and we're now all much closer. I have a 6 year old son and the idea of sending him to boarding school on a couple of years is inconceivable. I really feel for you and your family. A while ago, I heard a piece on the radio about this subject, they were talking about a support group called Boarding School Survivors. Maybe you could have a look at that? Sorry I can't do the link, terrible with technology! Very best of luck to you all x

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