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Think I Have Lost The Plot. Please Help.

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TotalTizzy · 14/01/2013 21:01

I've been with my P for two years (don't feel like I can add the 'D' in front). He was great for the first year but the second year has been difficult. He will be lovely for weeks on end and then out of the blue he will blow up over something or do something seemingly out of character. He has always been a bit funny about me going out with my friends but now it feels suffocating. He has started doing things like giving me the silent treatment when I get in or putting the deadlock (I think that is what it's called) across the door so that I can't open it from the outside. On the occasions when he has locked me out, I have spent up to half an hour ringing him and knocking on the door but he doesn't respond. I know he is awake because sometimes he cuts the calls off or answers and pretends he can't hear me. One time I actually saw him standing in the shadows of our bedroom window watching me getting tearful and panicky but he totally denies he did this.

Once a week I have a physio appointment after work and he will go out that evening without fail and get absolutely blind drunk. He always justifies it by saying "You were out of house having a good time so why shouldn't I?" Since when the hell has seeing the physio been classed as FUN? The next day he will give me three different variations of what he had got up to while he was on the piss and he always tells me that someone has chatted him up (usually a glamour model FFS). His stories never make sense and if they do then it sounds like he has rehearsed a watertight itinerary and tells me to call one of his friends to verify it (which I don't). I always feel worried when he goes out now - I honestly never used to care but now I feel very anxious. When I speak to him about it he just accuses me of being a control freak and of wanting to keep him under the thumb. Sometimes I ask him not to go out and I become very needy which causes arguments. I hate myself for being like this and I know he resents that behaviour because he tells me often enough.

Sometimes I try to have a normal adult conversation with him about something and he will turn it round on me and start going off on one. For example one time he was moaning about being skint and I said he should stop spending so much money on booze (he thinks nothing of spending a hundred quid on a bottle of champagne in a bar even though he is up to his eyeballs in debt. He never buys that when he's with me btw, only when he is out with his flash friends) He suddenly went beserk and started interrogating me about men I fancy asking me the same questions over and over again until I snapped. He then went very quiet and calm then said "I've caught you out. You're getting angry because you're a fucking liar." Two days later he booked us a last minute 'romantic' trip to Rome as a way of apologising.

I really think I am losing my mind. I honestly dont know what is going on from one day to the next. Whenever I threaten to leave there are tantrums, tears, proclamations of undying love and expensive gifts but then a few days later when the dust has settled he will make it known that I am the one who causes all the problems. Everyone thinks he is such a nice bloke and I doubt they would believe me if I told them what was really going on. I just don't know what to do. Last time I tried to leave him he locked me in our house and took away my phone, keys and purse until I "calmed down and saw sense "as he put it. He also said he loved me too much for me to walk away. It's like a rollercoaster except the highs and lows are getting more and more extreme. I don't even know who I am anymore. I guess I am looking for reassurance that I should leave but im scared.

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NorksAreMessy · 25/01/2013 05:48

Hello tizzy

If you take a mirror and hold it up to the letter you will begin to get an idea of what all that nonsense is about.
He is accusing you of the things he has done himself. If you read it that way it all makes sense.it is a trick to make himself feel better and justify the terrible way he treated you.

Secondly, you have no financial resoonsibility over credit card debt whatsoever.

'he will love you forever' is nonsense. This is not what love looks like. You have rejected him and he is trying to reel you back in. His methods are completely nonsensical and self centred, but that is the plan.

I am so sorry you are feeling the terrible anxiety...some of the good drugs will help :) you are doin well ignoring him as much as you can and involving the police.

Keep writing it all down, we are still here to help

Sugarice · 25/01/2013 06:21

Keep reminding yourself that he is appalled that he lost control of you and is trying to keep some, any way he can.

You are not the person he is describing in that letter, its him!.

He is the abusive twat, not you and keep telling yourself that.

Under no circumstances give him money, ignore any feelings of guilt you may have, money towards his credit card, my arse!

You have nothing to be feeling guilty about, you did nothing wrong.

Let's hope he gets the message but keep contacting the police if he persists.

webweaverToo · 25/01/2013 06:32

OK, practical things to get you through the next wee while until your head starts to clear.

Firstly - get hold of a copy of Why Does He Do That?: Inside the Minds of Angry and Controlling Men by Lundy Bancroft. It's the MN bible on domestic abuse, and for good reason. It's an absolutely brilliant book - you will find him in there, for sure, and it will help you to understand who and what he really is, and how he managed to entrap you for so long.

Take a look at the Freedom Programme which is a UK-wide programme for women who have been in abusive relationships. If there's one in your area, I would definitely recommend that you think about enrolling when you're feeling a little bit stronger, as it will help you massively to share your experiences in person with other women who've been through similar things. You can also do it online if there's not an actual programme running near you.

If you can get the counselling brought forward, that would be great, as I think it would really help. I've suffered from awful anxiety in the past (a couple of years ago in New Zealand we had a really bad earthquake and it freaked me out completely) and I really thought I was losing the plot at one point. I went to a counsellor who did Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (CBT) and - I have no idea how - she fixed me in three sessions. And I really was in a bad way before I went to see her.

Deep breathing really helps with anxiety. Focus on breathing in and out really slowly, filling up your tummy with air (not just your lungs), and push your tummy out as you breathe in. Then pull your tummy in as you breathe out.

I found that "being grounded" also helped with my anxiety. For me that meant literally having my hands in the soil in the garden, pottering around weeding and planting stuff and watching things grow. Just having something to do that took my mind off the terror for a few seconds was really wonderful.

I also found that just being with friends doing something/anything helped as well. Having people around me was really reassuring and took me out of myself a little bit. It stopped me focusing on the fear and the anxiety all the time.

TotalTizzy · 25/01/2013 07:03

I can't thank you all enough for your replies and the hand holding. I am just overwhelmed by all the support I have had on here, thanks so much.

webweaver I actually cried when I read your post because I was so touched by what you wrote and also that someone on the other side of the world has been thinking of me. That has cheered me up no end Smile I will keep reminding myself of your words: 'He's the one who's done this to you - he's messed you up so much that you don't know whether you're coming or going.' It's exactly what my parents have said and I need to remember that. Thanks so much.

I feel a lot calmer now, it helps to have views from people outside of the situation especially as you have all echoed what my family and friends have said. I sometimes feel that my RL support may be a tad biased when they say I'm blameless but knowing that you are all in full agreement with them makes it easier for me to see the reality of the situation.

deXavia Ignore, ignore, ignore is brilliant advice - I will definitely continue to do that. It has sometimes been tempting to reply to him to put my side of the story across but I know it would just make things so much worse plus he probably wouldn't pay any attention to my opinion anyway. Thanks so much for your reply and your wise words!

Thank you so much again.

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TotalTizzy · 25/01/2013 07:09

webweaver Just read your latest post, that is amazing advice. I have started reading the Lundy Bancroft book actually and that has been very helpful so far, he makes a lot of sense.

I will look into the freedom programme today, I think that would be hugely beneficial. Thanks also for the tips about breathing etc, it is good to know there are things I can do when I'm feeling panicky and anxious so I will put that into practice.

It's interesting what you said about CBT, I've heard very good things about it so I will see if that is something I can access through my GP.

Great advice, thank you very much. Smile

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webweaverToo · 25/01/2013 07:17

You are very welcome, Tizzy. I have your thread permanently open in my browser, and I check back regularly. Seeing as I pretty much live on my computer, I'll most likely be around in the wee small hours if you can't sleep and feel like a chat. Take care xxx

Sugarice · 25/01/2013 07:25

Under no circumstances reply to him, it's what he wants.

He'll take that as a green light to keep on trying to manipulate you.

Stay focused on getting yourself free of your anxiety, think of 2013 as your year without him grinding you down, don't let that pathetic pleb stay inside your head.

I've also had CBT and it was amazing in helping me control panic attacks. Smile

bigbuttons · 25/01/2013 07:46

tizzy please believe me how is is behaving now is completely normal for an abusive man. he is upping the ante . It will be rough for a while, but hold fast.

My abusive ex accuse me of everything your ex had, all that stuff; I was mad, angry, abnormal, couldn't cope. No one else would put up with me etc etc.

You don't owe him a single penny. how he choses to spend his money and on whom is no concern of yours. x

deXavia · 25/01/2013 08:04

Glad it helped - I imagine he wants you to engage so he can try pulling you back in - by ignoring him he's left with no grip.
Now hopefully the sun is getting up, you have a cup of coffee and your DPs around to give you a hug.

Katisha · 25/01/2013 08:07

It's going to take a while for you to break the conditioning he has done on you. And being a normal person, you will be looking at yourself to see what went wrong. But people like him, and I speak from the experience if having such a person attached to a family member for years, does not have the same view of normality and therefore you will never be able to get him to communicate with you normally. He lives in a different reality where he believes totally his own version of things. The Lundy Bancroft will help. The thing is that it's over now. He will refuse to believe this as it doesn't fit into his world view and will up the ante for a while. You may find he starts having "crises" that only you can fix. He is already doing it with the sob story about his family. This may escalate. Suicide threats even. These you refer to the police. Just ignore him. You'll probably find he moves on to another victim quite quickly once he finally grasps you are no longer available to be manipulated. People like him need someone to feed off. But in the meantime stay strong.

NotGoodNotBad · 25/01/2013 08:44

OP, there is one thing he said (just the one) that I think he is true - that you are insecure. That's why you've put up with this moron for so long.

What I think you really need to do is
a) ignore the rest of it, he's just ranting
b) keep him out of your life (you're doing well so far). Do not respond to any of his emails/phone calls/visits - it will just give him an excuse to keep "communicating"...
c) for the sake of your future, start to believe in yourself. Develop your own life, away from him, and preferably away from any man. You need to believe, deeply and truly, that you are worth more than this.

And remember his family are idiots too, no reason you should believe them either!

LiveItUp · 25/01/2013 08:58

Tizzy - I'm another that keeps checking back to see how you are Smile. Very sad for you that you are feeling so low and anxious. He is a seriously nasty and dangerous abuser and he worked hard on you for a long time. Some posters said at the start that he will not give up easily, and is likely to try anything to get you back in his clutches, and that is all he is doing - continuing his behaviour as a classic abuser. Now is the time to dig in. Ignore ignore ignore. Give him nothing - no reply, no money, no response, nothing.

I would let the police know he is continuing to contact you - keep them in the loop (or ask someone in your family to).

You did NOTHING wrong. You really have been amazing to find the strength to get away. None of how he behaved in your time together (I won't call it a relationship as it was not) was your fault. You went into it with a genuine and open heart. You are not at fault and you will see this in time. Thinking of you. x

LemonBreeland · 25/01/2013 09:03

His letter just shows how unhinged he is. In one part he says how much he struggled to live with you and lists all of your faults. If you were really that bad, why later in the letter is he esperate to make it work? He should be happy to have you gone.

Stay strong and ignore.

ScarletWomanoftheVillage · 25/01/2013 09:03

Oh Tizzy, so sorry to hear about this letter from him. He is a real piece of work isn't he?

You need to read this thread again, from the beginning, and starting with your original post.

Try not to let him get inside your head like this. So fucking what if his family are appalled? What do you care? Your family are appalled too, and we on this thread are appalled - at HIS BEHAVIOUR.

Oh dear, he had to put up with this and that...blah..blah..blah

He has been playing mind games with you, and he's now trying to do it by letter. Do not let him know you've even read the bloody thing, let alone been affected by its contents, otherwise he'll think you're back in his nasty game.

You have been doing so well Tizzy, just keep going!

TotalTizzy · 25/01/2013 09:10

katisha I think you're right about him moving on to someone else soon, I get the feeling he will go on to find someone else pretty quickly as soon as he gets bored of harassing me.

bigbuttons sorry that you have been through the same thing but thank you for sharing that, it makes me feel less alone IYSWIM. I'm starting to realise that these types of men all follow the same script.

NotGood you are right, I am insecure. I wasn't particularly confident when I met him but my self esteem is through the floor now. Would it be a fair assumption that if he was to meet a secure, confident woman she would tell him where to go the first time he behaved like a twunt and not do what I did I.e cling onto him for two years until I couldn't take anymore?

I definitely need to sort myself out. I am going to get all the help I can and look into taking up some hobbies so that I can build a new life for myself and regain some confidence. I'm just shocked at the change in myself since I met XP, I don't even recognise myself anymore but I am determined to change that Smile

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ScarletWomanoftheVillage · 25/01/2013 09:15

In fact, tizzy, I've just read your op again and this last paragraph:

I really think I am losing my mind. I honestly dont know what is going on from one day to the next. Whenever I threaten to leave there are tantrums, tears, proclamations of undying love and expensive gifts but then a few days later when the dust has settled he will make it known that I am the one who causes all the problems. Everyone thinks he is such a nice bloke and I doubt they would believe me if I told them what was really going on. I just don't know what to do. Last time I tried to leave him he locked me in our house and took away my phone, keys and purse until I "calmed down and saw sense "as he put it. He also said he loved me too much for me to walk away. It's like a rollercoaster except the highs and lows are getting more and more extreme. I don't even know who I am anymore. I guess I am looking for reassurance that I should leave but im scared.

...is very chilling.

When you try and end the relationship, he reacts in an extremely abusive way to try and FORCE you to stay.

His letter is an attempt at more of the same control, and the only thing he can do now, as he is not in a position to lock you up and confiscate your phone.

He thinks he can control you from a distance by messing with your head. He knows you and knows he can make you feel guilty with his words. DO NOT BE LED DOWN THIS PATH.

You are so well out of it, and even if you believe the whole thing is your fault , which it isn't, but even if you believe that, You are still well off out of it. Thank god you're out!

Just ignore this nasty, controlling, manipulative, and actually dangerous person.

TheGoatThatGotAway · 25/01/2013 09:22

Oh, TT, I'm so sorry you're going through all this. It sounds beyond awful. I've been thinking of you too and am so glad there were some people around for you earlier. Their advice is great.

It must be so hard not to engage, and so difficult to resist the temptation to blame yourself. I have read that this is what we do as a way of making distressing experiences feel more bearable. It gives us the illusion of some control. ("If only I had...")

But keep clinging onto the big picture (that everyone here was horrified and genuinely afraid for you when they read your OP, that what he is now doing is exactly what the textbook says he was likely to do, that trying to put your side of the story will not get you - or him, though that is beside the point - to a better place, and so on) and know that you can afford to be especially gentle on yourself right now because this terrible part will pass, and the time will come when you will be able to go back into the world with so much more confidence and energy for being free of the shameful specimen that he is.

There's that quote, "What the caterpillar calls the end of the world, the master calls a butterfly." And I'm a bit embarrassed to post it in case you find it horribly trite, but it seems so fitting. Apparently the structure of the caterpillar pretty much dissolves into a sort of gloop during metamorphosis, so feel free to take that as your model Wink Lots of caring people around you can see that this is just the beginning. Hugs to you.

Lemonylemon · 25/01/2013 09:24

Tizzy: Keep the letter as evidence should it be needed. Do not reply to him. Do not engage. You need to get yourself in a place where you can think "I don't give a damn what YOU think, it's what I think that matters". You can do this. Just keep repeating it to yourself. He is an abuser, no doubt about that. You have had a lucky escape. Stay strong. We're all rooting for you.

TheGoatThatGotAway · 25/01/2013 09:26

And without wanting to labour the metaphor, the caterpillar has good reason to stay in its cocoon while it's busy "reconstructing" itself, so feel free to do the same Smile

Chigley1 · 25/01/2013 09:26

Hi TT

Just read this thread from beginning to end and have been holding my breath all along hoping that you have managed to keep strong and stay away from this dangerous bully of a 'man'. You have done brilliantly and I'm so relieved to read that you have what sound like great family, friends and colleagues around you.

A big unMN hug !! Grin

PeachTown · 25/01/2013 10:46

OP I am another one who's been following your thread. You've done the right thing and have been very strong, though you may not feel it.

I just wanted to add that it's very important that you don't reply to him as this could mean any contact from him may no longer be viewed as harassment by the police (as you're essentially willingly engaging with him). To prove harassment it needs to be shown that your ex knows full well that you do not want contact from him but that he has pursued that course of conduct anyway.

This may be very important in the future - although I hope not - so please keep your resolve.

PeachTown · 25/01/2013 10:49

And by the way, contacting you after he has been warned by the police is enough to have him arrested if you choose to do so. Domestic harassment/stalking is taken seriously these days.

bigbuttons · 25/01/2013 10:52

tizzy they DO all follow the same bloody script.

I find it difficult to read some of the posts on here where posters have quoted letters/conversations verbatim because it gives me horrible flashbacks.
It's just like being part of that whole abusive dynamic once again:Being kept from going to bed until the early hours until ex had satisfied himself that we had sorted out that particular issue. This always meant him verbally tearing me apart, promising we would get to the points I wanted to raise once his had been addressed. Of course we never did get to my points.

If I complained about this he would say I was mad and had selective memory because we only ever discussed my issues, never his and I was a bully, incapable of listening. I was abusive, controlling, difficult, mad and selfish. He told me I wasn't interested in him as a person, that I saw him as a servant and a meal ticket and he would no longer be treated that way. He told me the stress of living with me was giving him heart pains and he would have a heart attack if I didn't stop behaving that way. he would stop conversations short because he was having 'pains' It went on and on. I would leave these hours of 'conversation' stunned and confused.

He too locked me out when I had the children with me. I would phone him to say I couldn't find my key, he would say he was coming to unlock the door and 5 minutes later he still hadn't come. When he would eventually come and I was angry he would blow up at me and claim that he had come down IMMEDIATELY. I mean what do you do when someone lies so outrageously to your face like that? I would be lost for words.

If I ever finally managed to pin him down he would either deny he ever did what I said he had or completely justify his behaviour. Usually with " you drove me to it." He always claimed he was only ever reactive to me. I caused his behaviour and only had myself to blame. If I would just listen properly, stop interrupting we would not be having these conversations and could go to bed and have a nice life.

He stopped any form of physical affection including sex as a punishment. If I got upset he would say that he couldn't touch someone who had so little respect for him. if he made himself touch me he would be 'prostituting' himself , those were his words.But if I behaved he was sure, with time, he would feel affection again

He said I needed counselling for my anger management issues. I even bought books on how to be less angry. Ironically of course any internal rage I had ( and I did) was because he was abusing the very life out of me and felt felt impotent and wretched.
Occasionally he would praise me for the effort I had obviously been making in trying to listen properly and would tell me I was making progress and he was pleased.
I believed him FFS. I believed I was faulty goods, selfish, controlling and unable to listen or communicate.
I believed it when he said no one else would put up with me.

He would put stuff he liked on the sky plus planner for us to watch together in the evening. So I had to choose from his list of progs he liked to watch. If I said I didn't fancy any of them his answer was that I was being difficult. He NEVER watched anything I had recorded though
I left him April after 16 years of hell. I sadly still have to see him regularly because we have children. I am only just staring to get some self confidence back.
When I met him I was a young, confident woman with a career. I knew my own mind, I knew healthy relationships. But like your ex he slowly broke me down, so slowly I hardly noticed it was happening. I knew it wasn't right but believed it was all my fault.
To the outside world he was kind, successful and charming. No one believed me. My parents have only recently seen his true colours.

The fact that you have been so courageous in getting out and saving yourself really gladdens my heart.
There will be many many posters reading this thread, not posting, just lurking, we KNOW what you are going through and will be equally happy for you.
You are NOT alone. There are, sadly many of us and we are travelling the same road, always remember. You are not the only one. He is abusive and his behaviour is normal for an abusive man.
He has lost control of you and it scares the shit out of him. All he wants is control, nothing else, it is the only thing that makes him feel safe and good about himself.
I pity the poor wretch he manages to ensare next.

I am sorry for the long post, if you got to the end, but I always find it helpful to read details of the things other women are going through. It helps me get perspective and realise that IT IS NOT ME, IT IS HIM. So perhaps you will slowly get to believe that it is not you, it is him. xx

MustBeDueSomeBetterFeet · 25/01/2013 11:06

Hi TT

I just wanted to contribute to your thread, and say how well you're doing - and how proud you should be of yourself. It may not feel like it now as I know you're in the eye of the storm, but things will get better.

I remember when I broke up with my fiance years back (where there had been none of the abuse you've gone through), and he felt the need to send me a long letter detailing my flaws, saying how his family and friends all thought I was unreasonable, and intimating that I owed him money.

Even though it was my choice to leave, and I was confident in that, I was still extremely upset for a long time and questioned myself.

Looking back through the mists of time though, I realise how it was his attempt to get a reaction, to get a final dig in. And the best thing - the thing I DID - was to continue to ignore him. For my sanity and to ensure he didn't get what he was after: attention.

Definitely use this time away from work to recuperate - try and do nice things for you - then get back to work and continue moving on.

Katisha · 25/01/2013 11:12

Blimey BigButttons. Well done for getting out. Thanks

Actually OP, if the one I knew is anything to go by, as well as further abusive letters you may find that he tries a different tack ie huge bouquets, presents, stuff he feels he has to "return to you".