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Please help me devise coping strategies to deal with toxic mother

77 replies

Ginshizz · 21/09/2012 10:42

Hello, here is a brief bit of background to my relationship with my mother:

  • I grew up pretty much just with my mother. My father was away a lot with work as he was in the forces; my brothers are much older than me and were at boarding school; as we moved around a lot, I had no real long term friends.
  • Looking back now, I can see that my mother was full of self pity and depression. She constantly looked on the bleakest possible side of everything, saw the worst in everyone and everything, and was resentful of anything that went well for me, finding something negative to say about anything good that I did or any good luck I had. If she could not find anything suitably dark to say, she would rely on her old favourite "oh well, the IRA will probably blow us up anyway."
  • unsurprisingly, I became fearful of everything and everyone and believed that no matter how well I did in anything, it wasn't good enough. I became very depressed at an eary age (diagnosed at 9 by the forces Dr who said in my notes, it was due to my parents).
  • At fifteen, I was a straight A student who kept being told by my mother that I was stupid and my school was rubbish which is why they thought I was good and that I would never get into university.
  • On being accepted into Cambridge, I realised she was talking shit. I had a blinding moment of realisation when I saw she has just been transferring all her shit onto me and, while my friends had all been supported and buoyed up by their parents, I had been let down terribly by mine.
  • I then had a great time enjoying life, feeling positive about the future for the first time ever, and generally stayed the hell away from the toxic, depressive old witch.
  • things have become more complicated since having DD who is now 18 weeks old. Having a DD of my own makes me even more livid at how I was treated - I would do anything, anything , for my little girl and want the very best for her. I can not understand the resentful, jealous, undermining awfulness I was subjected to. I am beyond furious that this woman refers to herself as my mother.
  • However, she is still married to my father and I want him to see DD. The upshot has been an uneasy truce whereby they have seen DD twice together and DF has seen her twice on his own. When my so called mother came up to see DD last time, she was vile. She said things like "someone has to keep an eye on that baby" ie I am not looking after her properly; she said to DD when she started crying "mummy doesn't love you and daddy doesn't love you" at which point I flipped and asked her to leave; she even had a go at me because she thought the cat looked sad and neglected (our cat is a very content, well fed puss who is effectively queen of the house and isn't so much as slightly downcast ever). These are just a few examples of the shit to which we were subjected.
  • anyway, my parents are coming up next week and spending the night. I don't know why I agreed to this. I think it's because I want my dad to see DD. I am shaking with anxiety already that the bitter old witch is going to be, well, herself.

What should I do? Cancel? Prepare some put downs in advance? What can I do to minimise her awfulness?

Erggggggh. I would love to hear from anyone else who had experienced anything similar! And any advice on how I can keep the toxic awfulness away from my lovely DD would be gratefully received.

I suspect I am just going to have to cancel ... Such a shame for DD to miss out on time with my dad though.

Sad

Thank you for reading my rant... Thanks

OP posts:
Lottapianos · 25/09/2012 13:48

'I am really struggling but cannot quite bring myself to stop contact'

It's so painful butthisismyname. I sometimes think my life would be easier if I cut them out (very minimal contact at the moment) but I can't do it.

Absolutely agree with people who say you shouldn't let your DF off the hook totally OP. He should not have been enabling her behaviour all these years. I used to feel sorry for my dad putting up with my mum, but actually there must be a reason why he has stayed with her all these years and I know that he does get certain things out of the relationship.

Salbertina · 25/09/2012 13:54

Lotta- me too, always felt sorry for df until therapist pointed out his role should not have been to remain neutral w an abusive wife, he SHOULD HAVE PROTECTED ME!! AngryAngryAngrySadSad
Sorry for the shout.. Yours likewise. Can't believe that it's taken me over 2 decades to realize this. He used to justify if excuse her behavior to me all the time when I was a teen- what they call "parentizing" the child, I believe.

Lottapianos · 25/09/2012 14:00

'He used to justify if excuse her behavior to me all the time when I was a teen- what they call "parentizing" the child, I believe'

Yep, sounds familiar. Parents like this will come up with any and every excuse why the child must have got it wrong and his/her feelings are worthless. Result - putting everyone else first all the time, pleasing other people, being far too accommdating and not having the skills to even acknowledge your own needs. Great Confused

Salbertina · 25/09/2012 14:03

How do u deal w it, Lotta? Counseling also?

aliasjoey · 25/09/2012 14:04

wow oh wow! that was so brilliant! You sounded so calm and in control (much more than I ever could be) and your tone of voice will have had as much impact as the actual words. (think toddler again!)

I loved the options you gave her - take the dog out till you've calmed down, join us in the kitchen when you're ready to be polite - fantastic.

And the way you spelled it out right at the begining - and you'd already checked the availability of hotel rooms!

I am in AWE of your handling of this situation. Yes, its going to take a long while till she gets in the habit of being civil, but you both know she can do it now. I'm bloody impressed - well done.

Lottapianos · 25/09/2012 14:08

Psychotherapy Salbertina, weekly for the past 2 years and for a long time to come I imagine Smile I'm also planning to ask GP for antidepressants as I'm sick of feeling so sad and empty all the time. My parents live in another country and I have cut contact with them to 1 phonecall a month. I never hear from them in between these calls and never see them unless I initiate a visit. It's so hurtful.

Sorry for thread hijack OP Smile

thixotropic · 25/09/2012 14:09

Gin, you are my hero.

I have come to the realisation That I have a mild narcissist in the family was but was unsure as to how to deal with it. Think I'll try the ginshizz method.

You are amazing.

blackcurrants · 25/09/2012 14:42

I am going to refer to this gutsy, brilliant, effective method as the Ginshizz method from now on! I am SO impressed, well done, well done! Whatever the fallout, you and your H are on the way to building a far better life for your child than you ever had, and being far better parents than they ever were - and I think setting (and enforcing!) your boundaries like that is absolutely key to that improvement.

Inspirational! :)

Franke · 25/09/2012 15:17

Ooh well done! Now don't allow the self-doubt to creep in now that she's gone. Also expect a period of radio silence. Also expect to repeat yourself ad nauseum every time you see her.

Have a Brew and a Thanks

diddl · 25/09/2012 15:24

That is absolutely fantastic.

"There is hotel five mins up the road. They have spare rooms. I've checked."-brilliantGrin

Katisha · 25/09/2012 16:49

I think someone may have mentioned this upthread, but you might find she suddenly has a medical issue any day now.

deleted203 · 25/09/2012 17:18

Butisthis... could I suggest that a good response to someone who says dismissively, 'Oh you're so sensitive!' is to say calmly, 'One of us needs to be. You on the other hand are as sensitive as a rhinoceros and never appear to realise when you are being hurtful'.

kiwigirl42 · 25/09/2012 17:20

well done ginshizz - really, really brave of you and glad you feel good about the visit. It just shows what bullies these type of people are and what cowards they are when challenged. DH and I have to cope with the flounces and tears etc - calling it toddler taming is not far from the point.
Good on you for sticking up for yourself and your baby Thanks

LineRunner · 25/09/2012 17:28

I very much like the idea of saying that 'One of us needs to show some sensitivity here'.

And yes, oh yes, the medical issues ... got the t-shirt ... 'I'm having a nervous breakdown', 'I can't afford the private treatment that I've chosen for a procedure I don't actually need to have done privately ', 'My psychiatrist says I need an operation the details of which I am not prepared to disclose' [ Your fucking what now?? ], 'You have made me ill with all this, your brothers/sisters/aunts all agree'.

It's like being thrown off the Niagra Falls of Toxic Streams of Consciousness.

ThistlePetal · 25/09/2012 18:03

Just read your thread and wanted to add my congratulations for handling your AM so well! I suspect she might give a very different version of events to relatives - because I reckon if they heard the truth they might tell her it's been a long time coming..... Anyway you know the truth, you have taken her to task, and you can take lots of heart from that.

I also have a toxic mother - storing up all the fab suggestions on here for next time I have to deal with her toxicity!

Onwards and upwards for you :)

AgathaFusty · 25/09/2012 18:43

Sooooo many of us....

LineRunner · 25/09/2012 19:00

Yes, sadly, so many.

HumphreyCobbler · 25/09/2012 19:19

OP you are amazing. You dealt with her SO well.

butisthismyname · 25/09/2012 20:32

sowornout yes, I like that! Just had another issue with her tonight and am just so tired of it all.

Tiago · 26/09/2012 06:52

Well done OP. Long may you continue to stand up to her! :)

Ginshizz · 26/09/2012 10:57

Oh I just checked in to see if anyone was still following and had seen my update and I am so touched by all of your lovely replies, thank you!

Also, please feel to hijack the thread as I have had such wonderful advice from everyone!

I have to say I imagined all of you in the room with me when I took on AM and that seemed to do the trick. I fear she will wise up to my tactics and won't be so easy to deal with next time round but I will just have to think of more reposts!

I have to run as DD is hungry for second breakfast but I will stop by later

Xxx

OP posts:
AgathaFusty · 26/09/2012 11:48

Ginshizz I'm sure you're right and that she will wise up to your tactics. They seem to mull stuff over and over and change tactics accordingly. The main thing is though, that you have told her how it's going to be, so she knows now that she has to be careful.

My mother's favourite retort if I ever challenge her is to say "You're always shouting at me" whilst doing a put-on laugh. Apart from stating the obvious and saying "no, I'm not", I never know how to respond to that one, because whatever I say I end up looking like I'm being grumpy, or too intense or whatever. I should say that I have only ever shouted at her once in my life, and that was the night before my wedding when she was the worlds biggest bitch and I stormed out to my then boyfriends.

LineRunner · 26/09/2012 12:09

'Stop shouting' is a really awful thing to say to someone who isn't shouting (but is usually stating a different view). It is really disrespectful and manipulative.

If it happens to me I tend to say something like, 'I am not shouting and it is extremely odd for you to suggest otherwise.'

Wish I had a better response, though.

kiwigirl42 · 26/09/2012 12:54

I would probably say 'no, I'm not shouting ... THIS IS SHOUTING' and scare crap out of her.

AgathaFusty · 26/09/2012 14:22

kiwigirl that made me laugh.

Ah, they're great aren't they, these manipulative parents? Hmm