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dh has left

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tummytickler · 11/09/2012 21:08

and I am in bits.
He left yesterday morning, but we have known it was coming for a little while he had been arranging somewhere to stay.
No other woman involved, we have argued a lot over the last little while, and want different things in life now I guess. We get on great a lit of the time. I guess that wasn't enough. We have been married 10 years and have 4 dc. They don't know yet, they think he is at work (he leaves early and gets back after bed mostly)
I have been alright during the day. I was at work yesterday and today I went shopping with a friend and spent too much money. I am strugglin in the evenings though, and whenever I am in the house really.
I cry at the drop of a hat at home now. How do I cope with the evenings? I feel so lonely. I just want to chat with him like I used to about our days and stuff. Ir feels so weird and wrong that he is not here.
Tomorrow evening my friend is taking me out for supper and drinks as dh is over to do some stuff with the kids. He will sleep on the sofa. I am dreading it. I can't bear to see him.
Thursday he wont be here. Friend is over to see me, so that will be nice I suppose.

I have taken some positive action - bought loads of nice new under wear, booked my driving test, but am drinking a bit too much, and started smoking again.

I don't know how I will face him.
I just tested him and told him it all feels wrong and he texted back saying that he is sorry but it feels very right for him.

I cant stop crying. My friends say I am being amazingly strong, but I am a wreck. I miss him already.

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izzyizin · 11/09/2012 21:16

Are you sure there isn't an ow involved?

unhappyhildebrand · 11/09/2012 21:19

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tummytickler · 11/09/2012 21:22

Yeah, I am almost certain there is no OW. I know everybody thinks that, but I am sure he wouldn't do that. We live in a small town, I would almost definitely find out. It's not really his style. If he wanted to look elsewhere he would leave first (which obviously he has, so he is free to do that now :( )

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KatieMorag · 11/09/2012 21:27

Right ,you need a Plan to get you through the next few weeks. Sitting in the house crying and drinking too much isn't going to help you, you knwo that. Though it's entirely understandable .

Can you do a rota of friends to come over and see you? Or to babysit while you go out? Who can you phone when you are feeling bad?

Do your family know and are they supportive?

You need to tell you children and make plans for when they are to see their dad

And you need legals advice. Even if you think this is just a temporary thing.

tummytickler · 11/09/2012 21:36

ooops. In op I meant I just TEXTED him, not tested!
I am going to turn the ranty music off in a moment and watch something funny. I feel so empty. I just want to chat to him about nonsense, and now I can't. I don't even want to go out tomorrow, I want to cancel, I want to spend time with dh, but it will hurt more then.

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tummytickler · 11/09/2012 21:47

Friends are being great, and I have the next two evenings sorted, need to find something for friday though.
I told my parents tonight. My mum is a worrier though and i dont want to talk about it with her, so I have told them, and told them I am fine.
I really don't want to tell the dc yet. I need to be a bit stronger before we tell them.
I don't like to whine on to my friends all the time. I went out on friday and got extremely drunk, stayed out til 4am, and ranted at them all alot. They were all lovely, bless them. And old friends have come out of the woodwork and been amazing.
Sometimes I do feel strong and I know I can do it on my own. I just miss him so much.
I am not sure I need legal advice. We rent a lovely house in a nice area, but we don't have much in the way of stuff. I suppose I will need to look at how on earth you go about getting a divorce at some point.
I can't stand facebook, seeing my status as married, and stuff, but it is helpful for 'chatting' to people, and taking my mind off it all.
I didin't know I could feel this bad, he is having a jolly old time watching football with his brother (he is staying with him until he sorts out his own place, which is why it took away for him to leave after it was decided he would. His brother was away for the summer)

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izzyizin · 11/09/2012 21:57

You can come here and chat about nonsense or more serious stuff any old time - and Friday night is usually bumsex quietly amusing on AIBU Wink

tummytickler · 11/09/2012 22:09

izzy I know :) My MN use had tailed off over the last year or so, but I think I might be on here a bit now, I don't think you will all want to hear my boring shit though. I better start having more interesting thoughts!
I really need to stop texting him. He seems so relaxed and chilled out and everything has a fucking exclamation mark at the end of it. But I want him to know how much he has hurt me and really how much I miss him.
I never looked forward to work days so much!

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solidgoldbrass · 11/09/2012 22:32

Don't wind up the OP with tales of an OW, people. Some men do leave a relationship without having a new partner lined up. And, much as it hurts the one who is left, everyone has the right to decide they want to end a relationship and to do so.

Sending you sympathy, TT, this is a miserable time for you but you will get through it.

tummytickler · 11/09/2012 22:40

Thanks sgb
I don't usually whine on like a total wanker. Honest.
Have listened to PJ Harvey, watched Big Bang Theory, and put on new pyjamas! I am going outside for a fag, then going to bed.

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KatieMorag · 11/09/2012 23:00

Please please, you Do need legal advice. You can usually get an hour for free. Not about a divorce. But as you are separating you need to know about money stuff, benefits, the tenancy agrrement for the house , bills, joint bank accounts, utility bills, any debts you have etc etc

KatieMorag · 11/09/2012 23:07

There is basic information here on mumsnet

www.mumsnet.com/divorce-and-separation

I hope your husband will be completely reasonable about everything and take his full share of financial and childcare responsibilities. But just in case he doesn't, you need to knwo what your rights are . You need to protect your children .

I'm sorry to be so bossy. But I know of so many women who were sobbing into their pillows for weeks while their ex was out running up debts, clearing out joint bank accounts , putting the house on the market and planning his new single life, free of parental responsibilities .

olgaga · 11/09/2012 23:33

Try this too. Act fast, it won't go away. Find a specialist as soon as possible.

Relationship Breakdown and Divorce ? Advice and Links

General

Try to get familiar with the language of family law and procedure and get an understanding of your rights BEFORE you see a solicitor.

If there are children involved, their interests will always come first. It is the children?s right to maintain a meaningful relationship with the non-resident parent (NRP) ? not the other way around. Parents have no rights, only responsibilities. Shared residence means both parties having an equal interest in the upbringing of the children. It doesn?t mean equal (50/50) parenting/contact time - children are not possessions to be ?fairly? divided between separating parents.

A divorce will not be granted where children are involved unless there are agreed arrangements for finance, and care of the children (?Statement of Arrangements for Children?). It is obviously quicker and cheaper if this can be agreed but if there is no agreement, the Court will make an Order (?Residence and Contact? regarding children, ?Financial Order? or ?Ancillary Relief? in the case of Finance),

Always see a specialist family lawyer!

Get word of mouth recommendations for family lawyers in your area if possible. If you have children at school, ask mums you are friendly with if they know of anyone who can make a recommendation in your area. These days there are few people who don?t know of anyone who has been through a divorce or separation ? there?s a lot of knowledge and support out there!

Many family lawyers will offer the first half hour consultation free. Make use of this. Don?t just stick with the first lawyer you find ? shop around and find someone you feel comfortable with. You may be in for a long haul, so it helps if you can find a solicitor you?re happy with.

If you can?t find any local recommendations, always see a solicitor who specialises in Family Law. You can search by area here:

www.resolution.org.uk/

You can also read good advice and find a family lawyer here:

www.divorceaid.co.uk/

Some family law solicitors publish online feedback from clients ? Google solicitors to see if you can find any recommendations or feedback.

Mediation

You will be encouraged to attend mediation. This can help by encouraging discussion about arrangements for children and finance in a structured way in a neutral setting. However, it only works if both parties are willing to reach agreement.

If there has been violence or emotional abuse, discuss this with your solicitor first. Always get legal advice, or at the very least make sure you are aware of your legal rights, before you begin mediation. This is important because while a Mediator should have knowledge of family law, and will often explain family law, they are not there to give tailored legal advice to either party - so it?s important to have that first.

Married or Living Together?

This is a key question, because if you are married, generally speaking you have greater protection when a relationship breaks down.

Legal Issues around marriage/cohabitation and relationship breakdown are explained here:

www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/relationships_e/relationships_living_together_marriage_and_civil_partnership_e/living_together_and_marriage_legal_differences.htm#Ending_a_relationship

www.advicenow.org.uk/living-together/

DirectGov advice on divorce, separation and relationship breakdown:

www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentcitizensandrights/Divorceseparationandrelationshipbreakdown/index.htm

Legal Rights are further explained here:

www.rightsofwomen.org.uk/legal.php#children_relationship_breakdown

I found these guides from law firms quite informative and easy to read ? there are others of course:

www.family-lawfirm.co.uk/uploaded/documents/Surviving-Family-Conflict-and-Divorce---2nd-edition.pdf

www.terry.co.uk/hindex.html

Finance

Before you see a family law solicitor, get hold of every single piece of financial information you have access to, and take copies or make notes. Wage slips, P60s, tax returns, employment contracts, pensions and other statements ? savings, current account and mortgages, deeds, rental leases, utility bills, council tax bills, credit statements. Are there joint assets such as a home, pensions, savings, shares?

If you are married, the main considerations of the Family Courts where parties are unable to agree a settlement are (in no particular order of priority):

1.The welfare of any minor children from the marriage.
2.The value of jointly and individually owned property and other assets and the financial needs, obligation and responsibilities of each party.
3.Any debts or liabilities of the parties.
4.Pension arrangements for each of the parties, including future pension values and any value to each of the parties of any benefit they may lose as a result of the divorce.
5.The earnings and earning potential of each of the parties.
6.Standard of living enjoyed during the marriage.
7.The age of the parties and duration of the marriage.
8.Any physical or mental disability of either of the parties.
9.Contributions that each party may have made to the marriage, either financially or by looking after the house and/or caring for the family.

CSA maintenance calculator:

www.csacalculator.dsdni.gov.uk/calc.asp

Handy tax credits calculator:

taxcredits.hmrc.gov.uk/Qualify/DIQHousehold.aspx

Handy 5 Minute benefit check, tax and housing benefit calculators:

www.moneysavingexpert.com/family/

Parenting issues:

theparentconnection.org.uk/

Support for women

www.maypole.org.uk/
www.womensaid.org.uk/
www.gingerbread.org.uk/

Housing

england.shelter.org.uk/get_advice/families_and_relationships

(Bear in mind that if you are not in England there is usually an appropriate link on these websites. There are significant differences in Scottish law and housing provision).

olgaga · 11/09/2012 23:36

Sorry that Shelter link never seems to work:

www.shelter.org.uk/

akaemmafrost · 12/09/2012 06:10

It may be that he has moved on entirely and there is no chance but one thing I would say is Stop Texting Him or communicating about non essentials. It will not make him want you it will only strengthen his NOT wanting you. With hindsight after similar, I wish I had done this. I wish I had completely dropped out of sight (as far as is possible when children are involved). Worst case scenario is when you are over him (and you will be) you will be so glad you kept your dignity. He knows how you feel and left anyway Sad.

tummytickler · 12/09/2012 07:59

Thanks for all the legal stuff. I have work today, and dh is picking the dc up from school so I am going straight out with a friend, so will look through it on my day off tomorrow.
akaemmafrost I know, I know. I have always been quite a strong person, and it is not really my style to grovel and weep and be a pathetic mess. I am really going to keep it together and not text anymore.
I am not looking forward to seeing him later. I am not looking forward to coming home after a few drinks and him being there :(

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MadAboutHotChoc · 12/09/2012 08:27

I agree with the advice about detaching and focusing on re building your life - it will help you feel stronger and less needy/clingy.

Child access should ideally take place away from your home - it is not his home anymore and all this coming and going will confuse the children and mess with your mind.

Find out as much as you can about your rights so that you get the financial side of things sorted.

Can I gently say that you need to be prepared for the fact that there might be an OW - the fact that the arguments/distancing is a recent thing makes this as a possibility. There is no "type" - good men in long marriages are often the ones who end up having an affair.

KatieMorag · 12/09/2012 09:36

Yy , at the moment you are allowing him to have his cake and eat it.come home, play with the kids, pretend to be nice dadddy. He doesn't even have to worry about upsetting the children because they don't know. You telling how much you love him and miss him and cant live without him -massive ego boost. Then he gets to bugger off to his brothers and have the life of a single man.

You need to confront him with the reality of being separated. Maintenance, dealing with the kids at HIS place, having everyone think he is a shit because he left his wife and 4 kids. Lawyers letters, CSA, unpleasantness . Signing over the tenancy to you. Closing joint accounts and credit cards. That's what he's chosen. Don't make it easy for him.

This isn't about being nasty of unpleasant. It's about him experiencing the consequences of his own actions.

Do not I repeat NOT sleep with him. I don't care how much you love and miss him. Don't cuddle hi, kiss him, listen to his problems or be a shoulder to cry on. That's what wives/partners do and he has walked away from that.

OneMoreChap · 12/09/2012 10:04

KatieMorag Wed 12-Sep-12 09:36:57
home, play with the kids, pretend to be nice dadddy.

Why pretend?

Maintenance, dealing with the kids at HIS place, having everyone think he is a shit because he left his wife and 4 kids. Lawyers letters, CSA, unpleasantness .

Maintenance and CSA?
Yes, unpleasantness. That will help the kids. Not.

MadAboutHotChoc · 12/09/2012 10:21

Onemorechap - YES it will help the kids. She has to protect FAMILY money and ensure that the kids will be looked after.

OneMoreChap · 12/09/2012 11:00

MadAboutHotChoc possibly you have me mistaken with someone who doesn't believe they should pay for their children?

I may have mistaken you for someone who thinks that making things unpleasant for the children to see their father is a good thing.

2rebecca · 12/09/2012 12:32

I agree that the children should be enabled to have a good relationship with their father and you shouldn't bad mouth them to him.
However i think not telling them is mad. They should know asap, you either tell them together tonight or you tell them that their father has left. For you to get over him you have to stop playing happy families. I wouldn't stop him seeing the children in their home totally but it shouldn't be the usual place where he sees the children from now on. I would get financial arrangements sorted out formally, involving a solicitor for advice but using one as lettle as possible to keep costs down. My ex and I managed to sort things out without getting nasty and I do think it's best for the kids to have their parents able to be civil to each other.
The kids should have been told he was leaving before he left though.

OneMoreChap · 12/09/2012 12:47

2rebecca completely agree, in all respects. [Probably better not to see father at all in OP's home, I feel...]

2girls2dogs · 12/09/2012 12:55

You poor thing - i am going to get flamed for his, but are you sure it is really over? You don't really say much bad stuff about him and that is admirable but you clearly still love him - is there really no way forward?

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