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I think I've had enough now.

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ASheepInWolfsClothing · 11/09/2012 19:40

So I don't post much but I do read the relationship forum quite a bit, and I know I will get some good advice and opinions here.

Our back story is, married 10yrs 2 dc one teen and one under 10. Dc2 has asd and learning disability. We got the official Diagnosis a couple of months ago.
Dh has always had a hygiene problem and this evening has been the straw that broke the camels back. Basically we were asked would we like to attend a talk explaining the issues that asd kids may face. I had already had a few one to one sessions , dh didn't attend because of work ( my job is more flexible) and the evening sessions would cover most of what I had already gone over. So rightly or not I signed dh up for the evening session hoping that we would be able to get a sitter and I could go too, but that dh would have a chance at least to listen to an expert on the subject. He was a bit put out tbh at the thoughts of "having to go".
Anyway he came in from work , dinner on the table as soon as he sat down. Meaning he had just under a hr after eating in which to get ready, I left it about 20 mins or so and said I left your clothes on the bed, and clean towels in the bathroom, I hadn't finished my sentence when he told me he was going as he was, bearing in mind he works a very physical job and his uniform is scruffy even when clean. So I said "but you really need a shower" he just tutted and said I'm only going to sit and listen to someone talk!

At this stage I feel like his mother, I did try to explain its about respect and it takes 10 mins out of your day to wash, and I pointed out that last winter in -degrees and no heading I still managed to wash every day!

I'm really sorry this is probably all over the place but I'm on my phone and can't scroll up to check it over. An I over reacting?

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ASheepInWolfsClothing · 11/09/2012 19:42
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JeuxDEnfants · 11/09/2012 19:43

Possibly, hard to tell. How dirty was he?

ASheepInWolfsClothing · 11/09/2012 19:46

Well it's only 3 days since he last showered but when you work in a very physical job realistically more than a day is pushing it. So he was noticeably whiffy Sad

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ASheepInWolfsClothing · 11/09/2012 19:51

That's exactly how I feel mof3 he will of course tell me when he gets back that he had a crap day and is tired. In my mind washing daily is like breathing , you just do.

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Houseofplain · 11/09/2012 19:54

It's only 3 days since he last showered Shock eughhh. I genuinely couldn't live with someone like this.

olgaga · 11/09/2012 19:56

3 days without a shower is ok as long as you wash properly but if you're doing a physical job it's pretty disgusting.

I think he needs to understand it's about respecting you as well as the counsellor.

I'm not surprised you're fed up after 10 years of that.

Houseofplain · 11/09/2012 19:58

I can't see it. I shower twice a day Blush

JeuxDEnfants · 11/09/2012 20:00

3 days is probably going to make him noticeably whiffy :(

ASheepInWolfsClothing · 11/09/2012 20:02

I know Sad I've realised -over the years - that he has no respect for me. Looking back there are so many incidents. Things have slowly crept up on me and lately it's like someone switched on a light in my head!

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ClippedPhoenix · 11/09/2012 20:03

3 days and does a physical job? that's not on is it OP. I'd refuse to sit next to him.

ASheepInWolfsClothing · 11/09/2012 20:11

I want to tell him he's on the sofa tonight but he's so feckin passive aggressive I end up feeling like I'm in the wrong!

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JeuxDEnfants · 11/09/2012 20:13

It's probably not worth arguing over the shower but discussing how he can be more supportive?

fluffiphlox · 11/09/2012 20:13

Good Lord. What on earth attracted you to a man who 'has always had a hygiene problem'? Yikes! I'm surprised that after three days you can bear to be in the same room as him. I couldn't/wouldn't put up with that.

ASheepInWolfsClothing · 11/09/2012 20:18

It's the usual story, we (I) talk about what ever the problem is he nods and agrees and nothing changes. Most of the time he will avoid any issues we have like the plague.

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ASheepInWolfsClothing · 11/09/2012 20:22

What attracted me to him? Well I had just ended a long term relationship when someone close to me passed away and he was there, sliding doors moment.

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JeuxDEnfants · 11/09/2012 20:23

Maybe he's just not cut out for it. People have different strengths and it sounds like you are stronger or appear to be and so he leaves you to it. Have you told him you really need him. Sounds stupid. Sorry if you have.

BlackTieNTails · 11/09/2012 20:29

maybe he was raised like a lot of us where you had one bath a week, on a sunday, whether you needed it or not

fluffiphlox · 11/09/2012 20:31

Sorry sheepie I didn't really need to know the circs. It was just the matter of factness of your acceptance of him with a hygiene problem. Doesn't he care that he smells?

ASheepInWolfsClothing · 11/09/2012 20:32

No it doesn't sound stupid. I really should have realised from the start that support was not his strong point. It really has taken me this long to figure it out , like I said its like someone flicked a switch. And of course it's not just the hygiene issue -that just happens to be the straw..

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ASheepInWolfsClothing · 11/09/2012 20:35

Sorry guys x post with a few! Just doing bed time for ds back soon, thanks everyone Smile

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olgaga · 11/09/2012 23:17

OP you sound so down. I'd like to think you can talk him round - but perhaps it's time to start doing a bit of reading!

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ASheepInWolfsClothing · 11/09/2012 23:30

Oh olgaga thank you , I'll have a read through in the morning, I am a bit down about the whole thing I have tried to talk to him in the past - written letters to him. But nothing ever changes really I just don't see the point in trying tbh. I do know if we didn't have kids we wouldn't still be together, I have buried my head in the sand for too long.

Any way off to bed now early start, thanks for listeningSmile

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SundaysGirl · 11/09/2012 23:34

Last year I went to a parents evening with my ex. Now hygeine is not normally an issue for him and he had been suffering from depression and anxiety and there's no nice way of saying it..he basicallly stank the room out. I found it really uncomfortable and felt it created a bad impression. I never said anytihng as it was a one-off, plus felt it was not really my place but I still remember how awkward the meeting felt. Cannot imagine living with someone who is regularly like that.

Can totally understand how you would feel similar and I think it is disrespectful for your husband not to wash regularly or bother to put clean clothes on for a meeting. I think it's disrespectful to himself as a person as well as you. Is he depressed at all?

hellsbells76 · 11/09/2012 23:44

SundaysGirl my ex was the same at the last parents' evening - absolutely stank of stale beer and fags and BO, and was wearing a stupid inappropriate t-shirt (that 'I got wood' one from Shaun of the Dead). It was so embarrassing sitting next to him. I'm tempted not to tell him when the next one is but I do want him to be involved in DD's education (not that he does any reading or homework with her or anything but is happy enough to brag on fb about how proud he is and bask in the reflected glory when we get positive feedback!) Gah. Sorry OP, that was a bit 'all about me'. What would he have done if you'd refused to go with him unless he was clean?