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New on mums net and stunned at how many other ladies have experienced a cheating husband and how uncreative and predictable they are....

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Runwiththedog · 25/08/2012 23:16

I knew in my heart something was wrong... A coldness in his eyes....Obsessive about his phone, constantly on his blackberry.... Picking faults (apparently, me putting his phone charger away in a drawer every day was grounds for divorce) He was often late in from work, telling me he'd be in at 7pm turning up at 2am.... The business trips got longer and always crossed over a weekend... He was drinking like a fish, came to bed later or earlier than me, I even began to eat dinner with the children as he rarely came home on time and I didn't want to eat alone....
I caught him texting in bed (he denied it, said I was mad) caught him talking to her on the phone ("don't you tell me how I can or can't talk to my clients, cos that's what gets you this house, 4 holidays a year and a Q7") and texting her ("her mum is ill, she's very upset")
I was constantly told I was mental and began to believe it. Even my mum and a close friend told me they thought I was paranoid.....he sat me in front of a psychiatrist and asked him to medicate me (he refused, thank God) And then I found the emails.....
She wrote "once we get xxxx committed and get our girls we will give them the life they deserve"
I read pages and pages of descriptive text about how they would get me sectioned and she would slip into my shoes while I festered away in some asylum. She wrote of how she and my children would be playing "dress up and camp" and he'd walk in the door, put the girls to bed and as he walked through the door she would "ravish him on the floor"..... It went on and on... Lists of "songs to make love to", houses they could rent, solicitors she had found to handle the divorce.....
I reeled. I shook. And then I forwarded every email to myself and my mum and finally I forwarded one to him with a question mark. I called his mum and told her he wouldn't be coming home and to come and collect a bag for him. Instead of going berserk I called my friends and family, then the psychiatrist (who signed a letter to present to my solicitor to state I am in no way mentally unwell but simply emotionally abused and tormented) and then I refused to speak to him for 6 weeks.
And so it began.... The disintegration of a relationship with a man that I'd spent 11 years with. I dont know him anymore and even now, nearly a year on, the divorce is almost finalised but the biggest battle ahead is about my children. At 6 and 3, I don't feel they are ready to meet her. He moved her into his rented house recently but didn't tell me. I have tried to be calm and dignified and truthful... He proves to be a liar time and time again. In fairness I had my part to play, I fell out of love with him long before he started his affair with her, but I felt it was my bed and I should lie in it because I didn't want te children to have divorced parents like I did. I was prepared to sacrifice so much and this last year I have given every part of my heart and soul to my girls to get them through this..... I think I'm about a 1/3 of the way through my journey and I feel like I'm at a corner that I keep peeping round but can't quite summon up the courage to walk round and leave the past behind. I don't want to be a hater or bitter or angry.... I just want to walk with my head held high and I'm not sure how to take that deep breath and let go. I took the girls away on holiday last week and I was called "amazing" "inspirational" "brave" and "strong".... I want to identify with those labels.... I want to get some work, start having fun for myself, be happy..... Can anyone help with how I take the next step? Or is it just time that will stop my feelings of failure, unworthiness, mistrust and suspiscion?

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bogeyface · 25/08/2012 23:36

Wow, I have heard some shitty behaviour on here (one in particular that is going on right now) but trying to get your committed to steal your children and slot another mummy into the family is just........I cant find the words! Sick, outragreous, appalling......there isnt a word that adequately describes it!

You are all of those words for the way you have dealt with this. You should be very very proud of yourself :)

TheCrackFox · 25/08/2012 23:40

Fucking hell, they actually had a plan to have you sectioned? What a pair of cunts.

Normally I would say that the children have to meet their dad's girlfriend (bloody hard though) but I would fight tooth and nail to not let the DCs spend anytime with her.

Runwiththedog · 25/08/2012 23:44

I know.... And my heart lurches at the thought of my girls meeting her one day.... It makes me feel sick. What has stunned me is how many other people are going through this.... And the similarities in our stories.... I sometimes wonder if my reaction has been as predictable and textbook as his? I'm ready now to stop dissecting what he did and to move on I just don't know how.... I'm guessing you are in my boat too???

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MmeDefarge · 25/08/2012 23:45

Heavens! Isn't there some kind of law that they have broken by plotting to have you committed?

That is positively Victorian.

They'd obviously read Jane Eyre one too many times.

Fairenuff · 25/08/2012 23:48

Run you have done so well so far. You discovered the awful truth and you made your mind up. You did not look back. You have your whole future ahead of you and with courage and conviction you will find happiness again.

At some point he will be given time with the children and who he chooses to spend his time with when he has them will be out of your control. So the next step is to never say a bad word about him, or her, to your girls. Keep holding your head up high and rant to your friends and family. Or here. Spill it all out in a safe place that won't involve your children. When they are older they will see his true colours for themselves.

You are better off without a man like that, I am sure I don't need to remind you of that x

Runwiththedog · 25/08/2012 23:50

:0) I felt a bit like a common version of princess Di! The woman is American and ambitious for him.... She steers him well. Or maybe she just thinks she does? He says yes to everyone and everything and then does what he likes anyway.... I have thought of texting him in the middle of the night just to see how she likes it... But I don't think I ever loved him enough to care that much

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Runwiththedog · 25/08/2012 23:56

Fairenuff.... I try hard not to let the girls see my distaste... I'm not sure I get it right all of the time, and my eldest daughter is extraordinarily bright and I told her he left because he as a new girlfriend.... She was questioning if he still loved her.... She knew I was upset but we talk about how much better things are now and I make sure they see him, we bought him a present (a boomerang, their choice) from holiday.... Oh the irony!!! A boomerang!

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TheLastRavenhope · 25/08/2012 23:57

I simply have no words to describe my thoughts about that pair. I didn't think I could be shocked by reading what levels men will stoop to when having an affair on threads here, but you've managed it.

I am so very glad to hear you've left the bastard and I hope you just keep getting better and better.
As for the hag, don't let her within an inch of your children if you can help it.

I wish you the very best if luck :)

TwoIfBySea · 26/08/2012 00:02

I'm 5 years down the road from where you are now Run. Like you I thought it tragically funny how similar the stories are from those of us left behind - the lies, the entitled OW, doubting yourself until you don't know which way is up.

It is hard, it is emotional but you are better off without someone like that and every day he is away from you is a day you get stronger and you get back to being you again. Sadly it is such a well worn path.

If Madam runs her mouth off about you to your dcs then it won't take long for them to refuse to spend time in her company. My dts were 5 1/2 when their dad walked out. Just a year later they started saying they didn't want to go visit "her house". She tried to drive a wedge, she failed, popped out a couple of babies soon as she could and alienated my dts from their father completely. I would speak to a solicitor regarding her wish to have you committed, there are supervised visits he can have with your dcs rather than let them anywhere near someone with such malice.

Best thing is - he will do to her what he did to you. Karma is good that way.

As for you, I think you should recognise the mental abuse he has put you through. It doesn't leave physical bruises but is just as damaging. Recognise it, grow from it and move on. Hold your head high, cry when you need to, this too shall pass. (I found that when it was getting too much for me, when dts were at school, I would sing loudly along to "Survivor" by Destiny's Child amongst others. Well, neighbours might have thought I was as mad as he said I was! But my goodness it worked wonders.)

Runwiththedog · 26/08/2012 00:05

Thanks lastravenhope.... I didn't intend to shock... I really just want to know how I turn the corner for myself.... I've sorted the children, the divorce is almost done and she won't be meeting the girls any time soon.... Now it's time for me to think about me. I go to the gym, I run with the dog, I see friends and family.... Where do I go next? I haven't worked for 11 years and all I'm good at is art... Would love to learn how I turn it round for myself....

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TheLastRavenhope · 26/08/2012 00:20

If you're good at art, how about you join a site like etsy.com and maybe sell some of your artwork?

I don't know how well people do on there in terms of sales, but it would help occupy you, brush off your skills and maybe make some money in the process.

I wish I could offer you more practical advice than that, but I don't have a bloody clue having not been in your situation, sorry!

MmeLindor · 26/08/2012 00:21

Wow. I don't know what to say.

I will say though that I don't think I have seen many MN threads that show similarities to your situation. Think your ex is one of a kind!

Runwiththedog · 26/08/2012 00:27

Thanks thats definitely worth doing.... I will have a look....

I need to do something to get me meeting people too, I need to start making new friends and learning how to trust again... Not just men but people generally.... As a woman I don't understand how she did what she did.... I started counselling and I wonder if I ought to go back???

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Runwiththedog · 26/08/2012 00:32

Mmelindor.... I agree what he did was extra disgusting, but I meant the signs... The phones, the cold eyes, the business trips etc etc ..... The script as its described! So predictable.... And scary that I'll never trust like that ever again... He still shocks me, I have no idea who he is at all...

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Toughasoldboots · 26/08/2012 00:34

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Runwiththedog · 26/08/2012 00:43

Thanks toughasoldboots... Another lady suggested supervised visits.... I'm seeing my solicitor next week so I'll have a chat with her about it.... She has copies of the emails and says I have grounds to prevent contact altogether.... He bragged in one of them that he had driven to collect the girls from school after a boozy lunch.... "still pissed in the playground lol".....

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bogeyface · 26/08/2012 00:45

I think that counselling would be a very good idea.

She must be desperate if she is willing to live with a man who tried to get his wife committed just to get rid of her, she will be living on eggshells the whole time. And him, living with a woman who would go to any lengths to get what she wants.

They truly deserve each other and think of is this way, while they are with each other, they are not inflicting their pain on others.

ImperialBlether · 26/08/2012 00:46

It would be interesting to see if you could get an order against her having contact with your children, since she clearly has the loss of their relationship with you in mind.

You say she's American. Does she have the right to live here? I hope for your sake he goes to live over there.

ErikNorseman · 26/08/2012 05:53

You know, as bitter and galling as it is, they will have to meet her and spend time with her at some point. But you just remember she's a bloody idiot if she thinks mummies are replaceable! She imagined a fantasy where she was mummy and the girls accepted that. As if! The best she can hope fir is wary acceptance especially on the part of the elder. She may find step parenting not as delightful as she imagined!
They are your girls and no silly bint can ever change that.

Hyperballad · 26/08/2012 06:09

Well the scumbag has met his witch. What a disgusting women she is and I can't find words to describe him. Scumbag certainly isn't adequate.

You sound like you are doing brilliantly, I have no advice at all but I just wanted to show you my support.

Runwiththedog · 26/08/2012 09:22

Thank you everyone.... Eriknorseman, I couldn't agree more... She's a fantasist... I'd love to publish the emails one day (ive written it all down, it could make a good book?!) they are sickeningly scary and obsessive which is why I worry for the girls being in her company. I do wish they would go to America but I'd hate the girls to lose out on their dad... At the moment they have regular contact and I have a solicitors letter stating they must not meet her until I do. That's another bridge to cross when the time comes. Thanks again everyone.... I wondered if a life coach might be better than counselling.... Not sure I can or want to dissect it anymore, what's done is done, there's no changing it.

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BigBoPeep · 26/08/2012 10:20

this is truly shocking and i would fight tooth and nail for the children not to have contact with her or be unsupervised - you exh is abusive, they are both mental, their little plan is not normal behaviour and i'd be detailing that in front of a judge! when my shit of a stepdad ran off with his new wife they plotted to kidnap my little sister between them! Shock i would be worried about something similar here, they obviously have very little reservation about stooping v v low....

tiredofwaitingforitalltochange · 26/08/2012 10:38

Use those emails to prove that supervised visits are best for now.

I agree with this. And with your solicitor who says that you have grounds to refuse access at all. It's an appalling story and all credit to you for wanting to move on.

You said you wanted to publish the emails...

This has got Daily Mail written all over it. Maybe it's low, but I would seriously think about contacting a paper like that. I can see the headline 'My husband's mistress tried to steal my life' or something like that.

Your kids are too young to read it now, so you don't need to worry about that. And everyone among your friends and family will know about this psychopathic plot on the part of the OW and your husband's complicity in it. Like others, I think this is one of the worst stories I've ever heard on MN. Anyone who thinks they can replace a child's mother like that is unhinged and has no idea what motherhood is all about (as if it's all about dressing up and camping). How could anyone imagine doing this with children they don't know? She thinks of them as dolls, not little people. It actually reminds me of those few awful cases where a pregnant woman has had her abdomen cut open by some psychopathic woman who wants her baby.

You sound very strong and magnanimous. But you must never let this woman near your girls, even if people tell you its 'the right thing to do'. She is not even a normal OW!!!

Feenie · 26/08/2012 11:02

Oh my god, what a story! So glad you deiscovered the emails - what did his mum say when you told her?

Runwiththedog · 26/08/2012 11:40

Thanks again everyone for the support.... I have had knowledge of these emails for almost a year and I think time has clouded the true horror of them. It's only when I have to recall them that the fear trickles back... I do feel like I'm living on a knife edge.... But I also know he can't cope with the girls for any length of time and invariably evolves his mother in their care whilst they are with him. He is far to selfish to try and kidnap them, it would be too much hard work for them.... And the emails were very one sided, he wrote very little, whereas she poured her revolting fantasies out.... They were never meant for my eyes.

I am seeing my solicitor this week so I will talk to her about this.... A huge consolation is that I know no one will ever replace me.... He may buy them off, but I do the care, the love, the time and in my heart i want to believe that will always be worth more to them.
Daily mail?? Really? I'm not sure.... I'd rather try and write it as a book.... Move over Christian Grey or whatever his name is!

Feenie.... His mum was horrified at first but I'm beginning to realise that he may have learned his underhand ways from her so I keep contact to a minimum now. It's weird to switch off from a family I have been so much a part of but it's all part of the process I suspect....

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