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advice needed: childhood abuse

62 replies

notdazedjustconfused · 22/08/2012 20:27

I have recently met a man who has opened up a lot to me about being abused in many ways up until his late teens. He has said he is interested in me, however has a lot of relationship issues. Does anyone have any advice regarding how I can be sensitive to his background/current issues without seeming pitying or patronising? Thank you in advance.

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mummyofmystery · 22/08/2012 22:36

I think run is unfair, it victimises him twice, Mankind offer support for partners, mankind

Lonelylou · 22/08/2012 22:37

Houseofplain seems to have touched the achillies heel with you FarelyKnuts..

I still say HOP and others were supportive.

Anyway...back to the origional post...

What do others think?

dottyspotty2 · 22/08/2012 22:39

www.mankindcounselling.org.uk/

FarelyKnutsAboutTheIrishTeam · 22/08/2012 22:42

Achilles heel lonelylou? What do you mean?

Houseofplain · 22/08/2012 22:42

Did you mean to be so offensive when you put words into people's mouths and played the abuse card?

It's getting pretty annoying actually. The amount of hysteria in these boards with quotes that just wernt said. You can't totally twist people's words or make whole quotes up and not get called on it.

olgaga · 22/08/2012 22:46

houseofplain is talking sense, and speaking from my own experience both as a childhood abuse survivor and someone who has been in abusive relationships, he sounds manipulative and rather unstable to me. Plus there's a world of difference between early and late twenties.

I'd take a step back at least, and see how it goes. If he comes to realise you're more mature, less malleable and less likely to make allowances than he originally thought, he'll probably run a mile anyway.

notdazedjustconfused · 22/08/2012 22:52

Manipulative in what way olgaga?

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notdazedjustconfused · 22/08/2012 22:52

Manipulative in what way olgaga?

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FarelyKnutsAboutTheIrishTeam · 22/08/2012 22:52

Was that directed at me houseofplain?

I didn't quote anyone btw nor put words in your mouth.
Am not sure what "playing the abuse card" is supposed to mean exactly? Is it giving an opinion you disagree with?

mummyofmystery · 22/08/2012 22:54

does this have to turn into a bitchfest, cant people just help the OP

Lonelylou · 22/08/2012 22:55

Can I make a request that we get back to supporting the OP now please?

FarelyKnutsAboutTheIrishTeam · 22/08/2012 22:56

Apologies OP. Hope you get some resolution that you are happy with

olgaga · 22/08/2012 23:04

he has said he has never told as much to anyone as he didn't want to be pitied. He has huge boundaries with being touched and all I want to do is show a little affection but I daren't in case he can't handle it.

In that way, notdazed.

Classic control techniques, making her walk on eggshells right from the start.

OP, how much do you actually know about this man. What are his friends like? What has he been up to in the intervening years between his late teens and now? I'd do a bit more digging if I were you.

Lonelylou · 22/08/2012 23:08

Well put olgaga

Houseofplain · 22/08/2012 23:15

Precisely. The whole eggshells thing. Which was in my first post. Is the biggeset warning sign here. So it's worth pointing out again.

notdazedjustconfused · 22/08/2012 23:17

In the gap he has gone to university and is currently finishing his degree. As it is early days and there is no relationship as of yet, I haven't met his friends, I want to concentrate on becoming a friend first.

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notdazedjustconfused · 22/08/2012 23:17

In the gap he has gone to university and is currently finishing his degree. As it is early days and there is no relationship as of yet, I haven't met his friends, I want to concentrate on becoming a friend first.

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Houseofplain · 22/08/2012 23:24

So he is very early twenties then. You are at quite different life stages. I do think there is a huge difference between a say 29 yo and a uni 21 yo.

He has a lot of life to learn more so if he has been an abuse victim. You know nothing of him, his past, his friends.

Your whole op screamed walking on egg shells, trying to fix him. It's a dangerous slope.

dottyspotty2 · 22/08/2012 23:31

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olgaga · 22/08/2012 23:31

I haven't met his friends, I want to concentrate on becoming a friend first.

Well that's fine, but I would say that meeting his friends would be a very important part of that process, and a vital element of getting to know someone.

I would just be very careful, in this situation, about taking things at face value. Be wary of compromising yourself for the sake of your obvious concern and feelings for this man until you are absolutely sure he is genuine.

notdazedjustconfused · 23/08/2012 08:55

This is where I may come across as odd, I see myself as having one real friend and many acquaintances, and so for me, friendship isn't a thing I enter into lightly, so meeting friends has never been par for the course with new interests. Don't get me wrong, I know where you're coming from and will take heed, however I don't believe already existing friendships provide a huge insight into someone's personality. Sorry if this double posts-mobile posting.

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needsomeperspective · 23/08/2012 12:12

Might be helpful if I share my experiences.

My husband was physically verbally and emotionally abused until he escaped from his step father at 16 by joining the military. He went on to have a number of highly volatile and dysfunctional relationships and a marriage where he was repeatedly cheated on and in which (I have no doubt) treated his partners very badly in many ways.

Sometimes people who grew up in abusive families do not learn what "normal" is. Their visceral and automatic reactions to situations subconsciously learned in childhood are modeled on what they saw growing up. It takes years, effort and often therapy to identify these issues and try to remodel the underlying thought processes which have been warped by horrific experiences.

My husband used to shout a lot. Because shouting for him was not just normal but actually "mild". Well it is when compared to beating someone until they bleed. He was highly defensive. He was jealous and paranoid. He believed heavy drinking until comatose was acceptable normal behavior for a night out. He thought getting into fights was completely ok as long as the other bloke started it / deserved it. His method of arguing / dealing with stress and conflict was to smash things (his own) and storm off.

It took him years of work and self analysis plus finding the right anti anxiety medication to be able to redefine normal an acceptable parameters of behavior. To reset his benchmarks if you like.

When I met him and he told me his history, having had a very happy and well balanced childhood and youth myself with a close and loving family I was immediately touched and outraged on his behalf. I determined that I would do my best to "make it up to him", that life owed him so love, beauty and kindness to balance out the cruelty he had suffered and it was my self appointed mission to be the conveyor of all things wonderful to make him happy.

It is of course not that easy.

Fortunately I was old enough by the time we met to quite quickly realize that if he wanted to be happy only HE could make that happen. What I could and did provide was as consistent and stable a background as possible for him to thrash around on while he worked through his issues. That was not easy. There were many times when he was aggressive, unreasonable, vitriolic, verbally abusive, emotionally unstable, untrustworthy, deceitful and all manner of other things. I recall lying in bed while he ranted and raved and punched walls and claimed I didn't live him, no one could, I would cheat like all the rest etc. and just responding to those temper tantrums calmly with "I love you. I am here for you.". Just those words repeated regardless of what insanity he came out with. Sometimes I couldn't stay calm. Sometimes I cried. Often I was scared. Many times I felt resentful. Occasionally I felt that it was just too much trouble to be worthwhile. But it seemed everyone else had given up on him so I gritted my teeth and I vowed I WOULDN'T.

But I stuck it out because he TRIED. He went to the doctors. He changed his environment and modified his unhealthy behaviors. He cut down alcohol. He went to therapy. He took his medication as directed. And month by month, with the occasional regression he got better. He healed himself as best he could. It took a year for the biggest improvement. 2 more until the bad times were so infrequent you forgot about one before there was another. Then one day you realize It's been 6 months since you thought about walking on eggshells. And the last time you had a row he was the one being reasonable and thoughtful compared to you. And he seems happy almost every day, even when he is tired and stressed and the cat has scratched the toddler and the baby woke at five am and you're late paying the electric bill. And it was worth it.

But my husband was in his 30s. Had I met him in his 20s I would never have been able to stay with him. By that age he had gone through the roller coaster of highs lows and emotional and physical traumas his abusive past had seeded. He was ready to try to make changes and to try to get better. He was mature enough for the introspection required to see the damage inside him which was spilling out and poisoning his life. He has said to me he would never have been able to see that at 20.

Of course everyone is different. Perhaps your guy is very self aware. Perhaps his experiences affected him in a different way to my DH. I dot know. All I can say is in MY experience you need to be prepared to have very firm personal boundaries, the strength not to be easily hurt or hold grudges and an awful lot of patience and compassion. It's hard to empathize with someone's internal hurts without condoning or enabling their acting out. It's hard to provide a model for "normal" when you get sucked into someone else's alternate reality. It takes a lot of self belief not to get lost in their problems.

But it can be worth it.

matana · 23/08/2012 13:46

Great post, needsomeperspective.

What comes to my mind is that it's our experiences that shape us all as individuals and i don't think that anyone, hand on heart, can claim that they've been untouched by their life experiences and we're all therefore less than perfect as a result.

My DH's dad left him when he was 12 and he hasn't seen him since. His dad has made no effort to get back in contact and my DH is now 42. My DH claims that he would spit on his body if he died and has no intention of trying to 'find' him. He never openly admits that his experience as a child had a significant impact on him that lasted into his adult life. But i know it did. A child can't go through something similar to a bereavement and remain unaffected. By bil was beaten by his dad, and witnessed him mum and siblings being beaten too. It has definitely shaped the person he is and how he responds in different situations.

I am not for one second diminishing the impact that abuse specifically has on victims, but what i'm saying is that everybody has a past that influences the present. Few people are actually afforded the opportunity to know someone's past right at the beginning of a relationship because people tend to keep secrets locked in. The OP is actually in quite a fortunate position that he has been completely honest right from the start, which has some significant advantages in terms of understanding where some behaviour patterns come from.

What i'm trying to articulate is that, yes, the OP has reason to be wary and yes, should be careful not to get sucked into a downward spiral of walking on egg shells and/ or trying to be this man's saviour. But that doesn't mean he is unworthy of pursuing a trusting and loving relationship with. What it means is that we are all shaped by what we are subjected to in life and, at various points, will struggle to deal with current circumstances and other people's behaviour as a result of that experience. As with all things, my advice is to look after yourself above all else, take things very slowly, meet and get to know his friends and acquaintances and take it one step at a time. Which, when it boils down to it, isn't too far away from the advice i'd give anyone else.

notdazedjustconfused · 23/08/2012 14:05

Thank you for being so open needsomeperspective and matana. He is very aware of how the abuse has affected him which, to be honest, shocked me the most at first. He doesn't drink at all, he is a doorman in bars to supplement his income whilst being a student and having seen him at work, I have seen him have supreme control in antagonising situations. He says he is locked in and struggles to connect to people but wants to try. I do not want to write him off at all but realise I will need patience and to be a tad more wary with having a young dd. Thank you again for sharing your experiences.

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Houseofplain · 23/08/2012 14:13

You have a dd?! Be VERY careful. This man is very young to be taking on a role as stepdad.

He has a lot to work through, you don't know him. He has lots of issues. Keep a very safe distance.

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