womens attitudes to crossdressing

[calikid]

hi everyone,

i write this as a response to the numerous comments on a variety of posts regarding reaction to any stories where crossdressing is a subject. Firstly i'd like to make it clear that i am male and as such appreciate i may be laying myself bare to the onslaught of comment that is likely to come my way. although male i love to wear "womens clothes". What I would like to know is simply why shouldn't I. can anyone give me one valid reason why I shouldn't? because I have never been able to think of one.
I am happily married with two dds and a beautiful wife , all of whom i love very much. My wife knows all about my dressing and has been with me to a couple of tv gatherings. i told her not long after we got together and she was totally fine with it, we have been married now for 8 yrs. we do not let the children know as they are still quite young.
In all other respects I am very much one of the lads......I like football and beer (but then so do many women!), i work in construction, I teach martial arts, I help with housework , I don't mind ironing(coz i can do it while watching tv!)
I take a size 10 and look pretty good in a skirt and heels, but then so does my wife, its just she can do it whenever she pleases and good for her. its just the injustice and ignorance of society that infuriates me.
I'm curious to know how the rest of women feel about the issue

Dabble may not have been the right word.
Has been going on for years. It has progressed to an interest in other trannies. But hes not gay, no. Or even Bi, nope...no, not at all

Thats what bugs me, sex with a man is not sex with a man if hes got a pair of hold-ups on. Righto.

Its clearly my own underwear collection that makes me a woman.

Although I have not had the pleasure of grilling interviewing Mr Izzard yet, I get the feeling that his cross dressing came about more from a desire to shock and awe draw attention to himself rather than the type of transvestic fetishism that the OP engages in.

I base this on nothing more than having not seen any shots of Eddie in a wig and padded bra and fully accept that what I see as well-developed pecs may, in fact, prove to be a pair of socks or the contents of a box of Kleenex.

god forbid wot reaction might come my way if I suggested that underwear makes the woman! and no, as i've said many times i don't wear for bed.

as regards bra stuffing, if i dress to blend at a cd meeting yes i wear a bra and fill it, but the bottom line is if i had choice to dress as a man in "finery" i wouldn't bother as is frankly neither comfortable nor necessary

izzy, i think maybe that mr izzard (careful not to mix up your names!), has always had the tendency to dress and its not an attempt to shock but just appears that way coz he doesn't bother with all the trappings of trying to appear like awoman, but merely like a man in a skirt. and thats what people find shocking! I applaud him, don't you

Ok, Foosa. If I've read it right, he's got an interest in other trannies but he's not oh no oh no gay or even lesser of two evils bi oh no oh no.

In which case, honey, either he's in denial or you are.

FWIW I had hot and rampant sex with a guy who purely accidentally (far too long a story) happened to be wearing one of my more lurid floral housecoats at the time but after our Olympic marathon up and close and personal encounter was over, he never expressed a desire to wear any of my clothing again - nor did he fetch with a suitase of his own size 12 Manolos

fetch up with a suitcase of.

Sticky keys or Sticky Fingers?

Oh, one of us is in denial and it aint me.

lurk, how many times do i have to say, the dressing isn't sexual, its the sensensual pleasure. yes it can lead to sexual but thats no different that a woman dressing and feeling sensual and it leading to sexual. it depends on who you're with and how it plays out

i can't be arsed to read back to find out who it was that was so gushingly supportive about accompanying her oh to sparkle and all that jazz, and how all the cds (i'll use that term rather than tg as it's where we started) were so thrilled she was there as a bio female and supportive partner etc etc. it isn't wrong, whatever floats your boat. but if you're a bit squeamish, or even slightly unnerved, about him searching out other cds (in whatever fashion) now, you have to wonder whether you'll be quite as enthusuastic about turning up to sparkle in the also-ran role. or the rubber ball. and essentially cast in the enabler role for life.

i can't see it.

otoh, if he's the man you love, and you are 100% sure that he is up for it with you and you alone, then i would say let the cd go.

i hear 'this is going to go further, and i'm not really up for that ride'.

if you fancy a bloke that dresses and then chooses to go out and spend the evening in a group of other men that choose to dress, and you suspect strongly he's getting off on the other blokes, then your own relationship with him might be convenient, but doesn't seem to be that important in terms of his view, even if you do get occasional red hot sex out of it.

O you flatterer you Of course it's occurred to me that Eddie would make the perfect Mr Izzy and think of the rainforest we could save a la Mr Trudie and Mrs Sting by the simple expedient of chopping 2 letters off his surname.

However, for some reason I was under the impression that it was your intention in posting here to demonstrate that you are a man in a skirt making a genderbending statement worthy of applause.

But you stuff your bra? Poor like. All of her impassioned effort to no avail.

I don't doubt it, Foosa. You go, gal. And that is addressed to you, honey and not to her

God no. In no way am I willing to become a 'GG'. I mean honestly what a pukeworthy label. I am a woman because I ahve a vagina and tits and ovaries, I dont need the Genuine prefix thanks....

To be fair to him, he's not into the scene at all and is mercifully not trying to imitate a woman. He's a very manly 6"4' bloke and this is one of several kinks.

I'm under no illusion that I can hack a life of this. But the sex is great and he's bloody good fun. But yes, I feel its coming to a conclusion now because I am becoming less tolerant of the being Bi while not being Bi stuff. Its wearing.

cali, if you are oot at cd meetings, i would suggest this goes a bit further than you are letting on. a bit further than 'i want to wear what i like in the name of equality'.

do you use tv forums? post pics of yourself for others to admire? (and in a wider sense, for 'admirers'?)

this is kind of what we were trying to suggest earlier - i can understnad mimicry of body shape in an attempt to pass so as not to get beaten up in public, and to inhabit that 'i am trans' zone for the period you dress (for protection, as it's more 'legit' to be trans than a bloke in a skirt. etc etc)

but if you are just a bloke in a skirt - why the support meeting with a padded bra?

padding is mimicry of an 'other' shape. it has nothing to do with wanting to wear a skirt as a man. it is wanting to 'pass' as a woman. different thing entirely.

dear god, it's been a while since i heard GG. ha!

foosa, you sound v balanced about it. enjoy it whilst it lasts, and don't sweat it once you decide it's over.

I only know GG from this thread. From Unicorn, I think. Unicorn and her girl Chloe.

Cheers Madwoman, I like to think so

i use cd meetings because they are the safest way of being dressed withiut recrimmination and to meet others other similar outlook, and dreess up fully at them cos everyone else does and yes its nice to dress up once in an while , but don't bother at home in same way most women don't dress up at home.

i have looked at cd forums but haven't got involved as i'm not really into the big scene, just the clothing. as iv'e said b4 i don't bother with femme name as that as you say does come across as mimicry and thats not what i'm about

have you ever used a dressing service, cali? to get it 'right'? is the women's clothing you like to wear more leather and rubber than cotton and whatnot?

i'm so very disappointed. i genuinely thought you were a bloke who just wanted the right to wear a dress. but you are just another bloke who wants to pretend to be a woman, without losing your masculine status symbols of wife and family, man's job etc etc.

i kinda hoped you were izzard. but nope. just maintaining the status quo, no interest in smashing the gender binary at all.

what 'outlook' do you get at a cd meeting that you don't get at home then? i thought your wife was all hunky dory? if the cd meetings are chock full of right on builders that want the freedom to wear a skirt, why do they all pretend to have breasts?

what part of the 'i am a man' outlook does pretending to have breasts fulfil?

i don't want to pretend to be a woman, i only do that because of what is convenient. i am just a bloke who wants the freedom to wear a dress, and i don't think the wearing of a dress should in any way undermine my masculinity in the same way the wearing of a trousers has in any way undermined womens feminity

But you want to wear a dress because it is a piece of female clothing! Why do you squirm away from that patently obvious fact??

cd meetings can somtimes be a bit snobbish in that if you don't try you r best to look good then its frowned on and they are all complimentig each other on how good they look. yes , i find this a bit patrionising sometomes. maybe next time i will just go along , with no make up and pading next time as you suggest and start an trend.

its not because its a piece of female clothing, its becvause its a dress! its just been attributed to being female by society and thats what i have an issue with

i dress to blend

One of the anthems of dumbed down Britain and harbinger of the end of original thought.

FFS, have you got any idea of how many gay and straight men and women have laid down their lives to give you the freedom to be your unblended self?

And you choose to dress to blend?

Poor old like. But I hope she'll realise that whether its a wiq or a miq there's no shame in holding true to one's own moral values when one's idols are revealed to have stuffed bras feet of clay

You already said this all stems from your mother wishing you had been a girl, and your awareness of that.

Yes, I'd argue your right to be a bloke in a dress but I dont like the doublethink of the assertion that you are in no way teying to mimic women when youve got your frock on.

Its why you feel the need to deny the mimicry that I find interesting. And irritating! You want what you want, why should women get to have all the good clothes? You're vocal about what you want but are unwilling to be honest about your motivation.