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How do I deal with a low key toxic mother?

41 replies

VivaLeBeaver · 28/07/2012 15:28

Mum and dad are long divorced so I can't use him as a go between.

I've come to the comclusion my mum is just a bit nasty. She was never the nicest when I was a kid, could be violent on occasion and never really took an interest in me or my brother.

She is the sort of person who falls out with everyone - every neighbour we've ever had, colleagues, every boss she's ever had, friends. Of course its never her fault, its always them! My brother didn't speak to her for a period of a few years though they are talking now.

She lives about 10 miles from me, though will not come to my house. Last time she came last Nov when I was ill in hospital she flipped her lid about the house been messy and vowed never to set foot in the place again. Which is fine, I go and see her or we meet for coffee.

That time when she was last here she really upset dd (11) and it took a few months for dd to speak to her/look at her. DD often states she hates her.

Anyway mum offered to take dd up to Yorkshire for a few days last week and dd seemed fairly keen. They've done it every year and while I was suprised dd wanted to this year I was pleased.

Mum dropped her off last night, literally bags and dd on the doorstep. By the time I opeend the front door mum was halfway down the drive and muttered goodbye over her shoulder and left. I'd have thought she would have had least exchanged pleasantries on the doorstep. Maybe she was tired I dunno.

DD states she's had a shit time and that mum has been having a go at her all week. Just little things - mum asked whether my ipad belonged to me or dd. DD told her we kind of share it. Mum then said that would be right as dd couldn't be trusted to look after snything, she couldn't even look after her cat. This upset dd, her cat got run over! Not her bloody fault.

Another day dd was playing with some kids in the village and there was some mown grass at the side of a track and they kicked some of the grass down onto the track. Some grass had already blown onto the track by itself. Mum came along and went nuts and made dd walk back along the track putting the grass back onto the verge even the stuff that had blown by itself. She then wouldn't let dd meet up with these kids again as she said that dd would be naughty again!

It does sound like the sort of thing she would say and do. However I know if I ask her about it she'll deny it and say dd is lying. My dd is more truthful than my mum. Then she'll shout at dd for lying. So I feel I don't want to confront her about it as dd will just get it in the neck.

I try not to have too much to do with her. I can easily go a few weeks without ringing her - then when I do she's been all passive aggressive. Speaking in a really snotty voice "oh, I wondered where you'd been, thought you might be dead". Obviously never crosses her mind that she hasn't rung me either.

I really feel like cutting contact for good. I'm just no good at confrontation and I feel guilty so I keep putting up with it!

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TheHappyHissy · 28/07/2012 15:35

2 strikes with your poor DD, and your DM is OUT.

You know she's a nasty person, and she;s now repeating history with your own DD.

Cut contact, DON'T make the call, see how long it takes HER to bother. You don't need to confront, you can just ignore her.

Check on to the Stately Homes thread here, you'll get great support and solidarity there.

GauchitaOlimpica · 28/07/2012 15:46

I'd recommend the 'Toxic Parents' book, it helped me a lot. My mother is a different type of toxic but toxic nonetheless. In my case distance helps but it's amazing how she can be so hurtful even by flipping Skype. I keep contact to a bare minimum and when she 'starts' I'm off (as in oh i have to go bye bye then) and then for a few days or weeks there's silence.

I'm sorry your DD is now suffering the consequences of her behaviour Sad please don't let her treat her like that. Ignoring is a good option, not 'reacting' to aggressive or PA responses is also good (I was never good at keeping my mouth shut though, I just can't).

RandomMess · 28/07/2012 15:56

Blimey just don't bother ringing her ever again. Hopefully she'll get the hint.

yes cut contact she is TOXIC.

KickTheGuru · 28/07/2012 16:05

My mother is a jelly-fisher (Bridget Jones)

About 3 months ago, I started displaying what I failed to recognise as symptoms for Type 1 Diabetes. Can't have been easy but my mum lives abroad and the day she landed for a visit, she got a call from my DH to say I was in hospital as I'd been vomiting and had gotten fairly ill. I was very sick and had collapsed veins and arteries and my body temp was 32 - so I was sick.

My mother spent the days she was here blaming my husband for "giving me diabetes". Now, just so you know, Type 1 diabetes is NOT caused by anyone. It's autoimmune so my body attacked my pancreas. My poor husband was distraught (he had to leave me at the hospital to go meet my mother so wasn't completely sure of what was going on).

My mother called him a "piece of shit" for not recognising the signs and my "near coma". My brother and I both jumped on her and said she owed him an apology and if she ever so much as spoke ill to any of us, she would lose all of us.

We gave her a fairly stern talking to and an understanding that I will happily ditch her and she will never ever have anything to do with me or my family if she can't behave herself.

No problems standing up to her and I hate confrontation as well. But my husband is the man I have chosen to spend my life with. No one - not even my mother - can speak to my husband like that. Family means absolutely fuck all to me if you don't 100% support my family and treat us well. I will drop you like a ton of bricks if you don't respect me and the people I love.

Job done.

Good luck

Zara1984 · 28/07/2012 16:22

I cut contact a few years ago with my mother who has very very similar behaviour to your mother. It was the best thing I ever did for my mental health!

She sounds like a nasty piece of work, deeply insecure and thinks the universe revolves around her (like my mother). Her behaviour to your daughter is downright unacceptable. She will not get better and if you try to confront her you're likely to get a response like I "so this is what I get for trying to take DD out"

Recommend the Toxic Parent book x 1000. Am surprised you can stand living just 10 miles from your mother, I only really feel comfortable with 20,000km+ breathing space Grin

Good luck! Cut contact, stay strong!

Zara1984 · 28/07/2012 16:24
KickTheGuru · 28/07/2012 16:35

It wasnt easy but I reckon the first step was realising she had manipulated me for much of my life. Then I had to put all my confidence in my husband. And then I was able to see her for who she was.

Then, I chose my husband.

wannabedomesticgoddess · 28/07/2012 16:40

I havent spoke to my mum in two months now. No confrontation, I just havent called but either has she. Its really hard. But I really had just had enough of it all. And I knew that a confrontation was pointless so decided not to have one.

Your mum sounds horrible. Your poor DD. It is your right to not have people in your life who do not add to it. Everyone needs the benefit of the doubt at times but if this is prolonged behaviour (sounds like it is) then you shouldnt feel bad about cutting her out.

And as for "low key toxic" IMO she is toxic. There is no low key about it.

GauchitaOlimpica · 28/07/2012 16:51

"It is your right to not have people in your life who do not add to it", that for me is key. Some people are very toxic, and parents or not, they don't get to automatically have the right to be in your life and make it unbearable just because they gave you your life. There comes a time when you have to put yourself first.

KickTheGuru · 28/07/2012 17:01

100% agree. You owe no one anything. Especially if all they contribute is sadness and misery.

TapirBackRider · 28/07/2012 17:06

It's also about protecting your daughter from her - if you carry on putting up with allowing her to be treated in this fashion, what does this say to your dd?

The woman that raised me has some redeeming features, mainly that she doesn't travel and lives over 400+ miles away, but apart from those is an atrociously behaved cowbag who told my dcs they are bastards and I broke contact with her a few years ago.

She doesn't deserve to be anywhere near you, or your dd.

NarkedRaspberry · 28/07/2012 17:09

No more unsupervised access to your DD. She's at a really vunerable age self-esteem wise and your mother is deliberately criticising her and trying to make her feel bad.

NarkedRaspberry · 28/07/2012 17:14

'I feel guilty so I keep putting up with it!'

It's not you who spent 'a few days' having her put you down. I don't know if you realise this, because when you're used to someone like this it can make you somewhat numb to their behaviour, but the comment she made about your daughter's cat was truly awful - really nasty and designed to hurt.

cocolepew · 28/07/2012 17:19

No low key about it, you need to protect DD.

VivaLeBeaver · 28/07/2012 17:21

There's certainly no way that dd will be staying at hers or going away with her again. AFAIK its the first time she's been that nasty to dd. She's always seemed very fond of dd. But lately its almost like she can't keep up the veneer of been a nice person and her true colours are starting to show more and more. She is 70 in a few months, maybe partly due to mental deterioration as she gets older?

Not that I'm making excuses for her.

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janelikesjam · 28/07/2012 17:26

It doesn't sound you have too much to do with her anyway, just don't take any crap, keep your distance and don't spend any more time with her than you have to.

I think if you have a mildly toxic mother its best children are not left with them for very long unless you have no choice or its an emergency. I did it once, and now would think twice.

NarkedRaspberry · 28/07/2012 18:11

It could be a sign of mental deterioration. Or she could just be nasty. It's hard to tell when someone has been unpleasant in the past.

SarahStratton · 28/07/2012 18:19

I've made the decision to cut contact with my family Viva. I've reached the conclusion that happy families just isn't going to ever happen with them, and yet again they've sided with my sister because she's a bully, and they're scared of her.

I was also ever so slightly pissed off when I found out that they all expected me to move in, and look after my parents as soon as DD2 has left school.

VivaLeBeaver · 28/07/2012 19:11

So are you telling them Stratters, or just not contacting them?

I feel I ought to ring my mum tonight to thank her for having dd, etc. but can't face it, I dread any contact with her. She's just so negative.

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Fluffycloudland77 · 28/07/2012 19:18

Dont ring. See how long it takes for her to ring you. It's very telling.

I used to throw up before meeting my parents I was so nervous.

Want2bSupermum · 28/07/2012 19:21

My mother is 2,500 miles away which is close enough for me. She came to stay when I was travelling for work and undermined DH at every opportunity. DH rightly said he wants limited contact between DD and my mother until my mother learns how to behave.

My mother also verbally attacked me the day after DD was born. I had a CS and was not in a good way as I full of drug to treat preclampsia. Breastfeeding was an issue for me because in that it was painful due to sore nipples and the incision. She made me feel like a useless mother. I think DH is right about limited contact with my mother.

SardineQueen · 28/07/2012 19:42

"AFAIK its the first time she's been that nasty to dd"

But didn't she upset her before and it took DD ages to get over it - you said in your OP.
So it isn't the first time.

I just wanted to say that you need to have a talk with DD about how just because someone is a family member doesn't necessarily mean they are nice through and through, and how you found her difficult when you were young. i feel sad for your DD and I think you need to talk t her about family relatinships and so on.

I don't know whether you should cut contact. That is a really hard one and I have no experience of it so not able to say really.

SarahStratton · 28/07/2012 19:50

It's my whole family, my sister is my main problem. She is an aggressive bully, who has been this way for her whole life because my parents refuse to stand up to her. It's always been 'oh you know what she's like, don't upset her'.

I snapped. I hit her. I'm not even remotely ashamed that I did so, it's been 30 years coming. My parents sat and ignored her appalling behaviour this week, even denying seeing any of it when they were sat right next to her.

So they made their choice, and now I make mine, which is to not see any of them any more. My DDs had, unbeknown to me, been texting every single episode to their Dad, that's how horrified they were at her behaviour. So I have the knowledge that it's not in my head, and these incidents did happen.

They no longer exist to me. I have made it clear to the DDs that it is their choice and I will not be upset if they still want to see them. Neither of them do, it's always been a chore to them to go there anyway.

SarahStratton · 28/07/2012 19:53

Agree with the not ringing, and seeing how long it takes. I've done that in the past, and it's been weeks. They ring (rang?) me when they want something. Well now they can ring my sister (wtf do I call her now?), and see just how far they get with her.

VivaLeBeaver · 28/07/2012 20:34

My mum wasn't nasty to dd per se last year. She was just having some sort of major hissy fit that dd witnessed and was upset by. My mum was apparantly running round my house shouting, swearing and cursing me for being a slattern. Hose hadn't been hoovered for a week as I was in hospital, oh and she found some dust on the skirting board behind dd's bed. Hmm

The way she spoke to me later it was like she'd found piles of excrement under the bed.

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