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I want my mum

28 replies

cathkidstonbag · 15/07/2012 18:57

Feeling very sad and pathetic right now. Have decided to stop contact with my toxic mother. I know it's for the best. It's been over a month now and my DCs haven't even noticed so it's not as if she was a huge part of our lives. It's not her I want and miss its a proper mum. One who phones me and wants to see me and my DC. One who has an interest in what I do.

I've had counselling in the past but there are just so many issues with her I will never get past. Has anybody else gone through this?

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bushymcbush · 15/07/2012 19:04

Sorry you're feeling so low. I'm responding because I want my mum too and can't have her (for different reasons - mine is dead - not making a comparison btw, we are both feeling the same void).

It's hard being a mum yourself without a mum of your own to share it with and ask for guidance / experience. But you do have the strength within you to manage without her. In fact, in your case, it doesn't sound like she was enhancing your life anyway, so you have already exercised your 'independent' muscle.

You are already strong, without her.

wannabedomesticgoddess · 15/07/2012 19:06

I am going through this as we speak :(

What hurts the most is that my mum seems completely unconcerned about not having seen her GD for two months.

And I know she is claiming to not know what "my problem" is to anyone who will listen.

I know I need counselling but just cant seem to make that step.

I dont have any advice for you but just wanted to let you know you arent pathetic at all.

NotTheMamma · 15/07/2012 19:07

Hello! I haven't gone through this myself, but I do know a bit about what it's like for someone to feel the loss of a 'proper mum' and just wanted to send loving thoughts x

cathkidstonbag · 15/07/2012 19:13

Yes it was not wanting to see her grandchildren that was the final straw. I have friends whose parents take their kids on holiday, to tea, for weekends. I don't expect any of that. Just thought maybe she might want to see them for an hour or so, with me. But she doesn't.

I don't have a dad either so that's it in terms of parents.

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trudat · 15/07/2012 19:19

Was about to say the same as bushy. It was my mums birthday this week. She died last year just 6 weeks after dd was born. The anniversary of that is only a few weeks away.

If you know there's nothing you can do to build a healthy relationship then you should give up the saddness and know you're a better person without her. I feel sorrier for you than for people like myself and bushy as, while my mum was here and healthy, she would have done anything for me. You don't even have that to miss. Such a sad thing. Have a hug x

HotDAMNlifeisgood · 15/07/2012 20:24

It's not pathetic at all: you have every right to be sad about this situation.

And I don't believe that these are issues you will never be able to get past: you can, and time and reflection (and more counseling if you want it) will help you get there.

Your pain is acute now, and there will be moments when it will ebb and flow, but you won't always feel this way. It does get better.

greenearrings · 15/07/2012 21:09

Allow yourself time to grieve.The realisation that your mother is not good for you is difficult to learn to live with.Well done for getting this far.

It won't always feel like it does now, you can learn to live with it,and by taking control and giving up the hopeless expectation that she will ever give you what you need,you will be able to grow,and will ultimately gain strength and self esteem.

Counselling/therapy can help.

I have been working on this for many years and ,these days ,consider my mother the loser,since she will never know anything like the joy I experience in the relationships I have with my dd's. She is a self absorbed,bitter old woman.

I do sometimes wake up in tears,feeling like I want my mummy.But it's not her I 'm crying for.

cathkidstonbag · 15/07/2012 21:12

Almost five weeks and she hasn't even noticed! I can't imagine my DC growing up and me not talking to them for five days let alone weeks.

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greenearrings · 15/07/2012 21:15

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greenearrings · 15/07/2012 21:22

My guess is that,if she were to see you and your dc,the experience would be disappointing - for you - at best,possibly hurtful and upsetting at worst.

The hardest part is accepting she will never get it. She can't deliver.It won't happen.

That is very sad,and wrong. Mothers should not be like this.But some are. going by this board,sadly ,quite a lot are.

We deserve better,of course. But whereas,we can "leave the bastard " wrt to a dp , and then be hopeful that there may be future happiness ahead with a nicer one - maybe even "the one" .....Hmm..........unfortunately,a better mother will never arrive ......

greenearrings · 15/07/2012 21:28

The greatest gift my mother gave me was a perfect example of how not to mother.

My own approach to mothering my own dc's starts and finishes with " be absolutely nothing like my mother". As long as my dc continue to want to see me after they leave home,and continue to smile,laugh,chat and hug with me,then I will know I have succeeded there....oh yes,and if they all continue to have great self esteem and to be able to form positive,healthy relationships with others.

Gunznroses · 15/07/2012 21:33

Greenearrings - Sad Sad wish it wasn't so true.

DeckSwabber · 15/07/2012 23:19

This thread made me cry.

My mother pulled the rug out from under my feet when I was a child/teen and - feeble as it sounds - I have never completely recovered.

I feel myself putting on my emotional bullet-proof vest when I go to see her or pick up the phone. I understand that it was her own insecurities that made her the way she was - and to some extent still is - and I try to be more understanding. I try to be a good daughter. She's an old lady now and I don't want to start raking this all up.

There isn't anyone in my family I feel I can trust to be on my side, unconditionally. My dad died when I was 14. I really don't get on with my brother - partly to do with the way my mum brought us up (boy = future head of family; girl = future wife & mother, preferably with some charming and graceful talent).

I am single and a parent, and while my 3 children have contact with their dad (and I'm not on good terms with him) they don't see their dad's family. Most of the time it is just me and my boys. I feel they are missing out on having a loving family.

As a mum myself, I just don't understand why my own mum made some of the decisions she made when she was bringing us up.

I want a mum, too.

Gunznroses · 15/07/2012 23:39

Deckswabber - you'll be okay, there won't be another mom, but life has it own way of healing the hurt enjoy your boys, i know it easier said than done, there are always moments when its worst, like "mother's day", but this too shall pass.

mercury7 · 15/07/2012 23:41

I'm estranged from my mother, not spoken for about 10 years now, I dont
miss her, infact I'm relieved that she's out of my life.

Guess I've never had much maternal support so I dont miss it!

I am however often surprised that my own daughter likes me, the idea that you might value your mothers support seems alien to me

wannabedomesticgoddess · 16/07/2012 00:00

I think I could deal with my mums shortcomings if it wasnt for the poison she is spreading about me. I have no family at all now. My dad and brother are under her thumb. My dads family were cut out long ago by her. And now my aunt who I was really close to has turned on me too.

According to my mum, I am difficult and ungrateful.

I am getting married next year and it looks like I will only have a few friends there to wish me well.

Sorry for hijacking. I am just not coping with it at all today :(

tallwivglasses · 16/07/2012 00:15

I'm an old mum. I just want to scoop you all up and tell you everything will be alright Sad

It will be of course, but you know that really don't you? You will be fine and your dc will will grow up with mums who have some insight and oodles of unconditional love.

Gunznroses · 16/07/2012 08:42

wannabe ive pm'd you!

Gunznroses · 16/07/2012 08:43

Tallwivglasses! Awww! Thank you Smile

wordfactory · 16/07/2012 09:58

My DH has had to cut his parents out of life. Very sad, but their effect on him and us all was getting more and more corrosive.

This morning I've received an email from them Sad. Usual rubbish. I want to reply but know it will do more harm than good. Don't engage, don't engage, don't engage...

cathkidstonbag · 16/07/2012 10:09

I just wish I understood it/her. I can see her life wasn't easy, my grandparents didn't do a great job with her. But it still hurts.

This morning one of my friends was telling me how her parents are taking her DC away for a week in the holidays so she could have a break and I smile and say how lovely. But inside I'm so bloody cross that I don't get that. That my mum doesn't want my DC who have their faults but are basically lovely kids. She knows my life is so hard and she doesn't even care.

Am I too old to be adopted do you think?!! There must be women out there who would adore pictures from their grandchildren, a daughter to take them out for lunch and spoil them!

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HotDAMNlifeisgood · 16/07/2012 10:20

I just wish I understood it/her. I can see her life wasn't easy, my grandparents didn't do a great job with her. But it still hurts.

You do understand: she had a shitty upbringing (like you), and she chose to act out her pain and hurt on other people, including her own child, rather than resolve her own issues (unlike you). It hurts, because you deserved and needed better from her when you were a vulnerable child in her care. It is unfair, and she could have chosen to behave differently, but she didn't.

It was her choice. It was always within her power to love you unconditionally, rather than remain mired in self-centred behaviour.

It is now your choice to cut her out, because you choose not to experience that behaviour anymore, and that's OK. It's sad that it's come to this, it's not fair that you don't have a decent mother or grandmother for your DC. But you are a capable adult now and you can cope, and even thrive.

catsmother · 16/07/2012 10:37

I haven't decided to stop contact with my mum - yet. But am feeling the full force, yet again, of a mother who really doesn't seem to give a stuff about me, my children or my life. I'm currently undergoing something very traumatic - which she knows about, but the last time I attempted to talk to her - not expecting any answers, but just hoping for a bit of basic sympathy and for her to show me she was "on side", she told me she was ending the call (after all of 20 mins) as I was "making her feel ill". That was 5 weeks ago and since then nothing. This is typical .... she goes to ground at the slightest hint of anything "not nice" ... so long as I witter on about trivial superficial stuff like weather, TV shows or celebrities she's happy to chat. Anything real, and the shutters come down, calls are ended with the most ridiculous intelligence insulting excuses like someone at the door, lunch ready, toilet needed - and she won't contact me again for months. I could write an essay about this ..... how as a single mum she never helped me, not once, even for a day when me or my child were ill, yet helped my sibling, with their two children every week for 9 years. How she professes no knowledge of stuff I've told her about me - such as operations. Just makes me feel so irrelevant. How she's never had either of my children to stay, even for an afternoon, or taken them out anywhere.

I know totally what it's like to want a "proper" mum. I do know that we're not alone in not having one but I still maintain, that at least in my own personal experience, the vast majority of people I know do have a "proper" relationship with their mothers .... one of mutual caring, support and interest in each other. One where your mum is someone you can turn to without fear of being judged, whatever time of day it is (ha ha ha) knowing your mum wants to know what's happening in your life. One where your mum also seeks out your company, because she loves you and enjoys being with you, where she wants to catch up and find out what's been going on - good or bad .... and who doesn't make you feel even worse than you already do when things go wrong by recoiling in horror.

This is something I find very hard to deal with and I'm sure the lack of that basic fundamental relationship has really hit my self esteem - and therefore affected many other areas of my life quite severely. This includes making friends and trusting people which I find very hard - ironic really because if you don't have those basic close family relationships you really do need to build close friendships more than ever ... but I find this so terribly difficult as I have almost zero self confidence, am scared of being rejected, don't feel good enough or interesting enough for people to bother spending time with me and so on. I don't understand why my mum is like this ..... she had a good relationship with her mother, lived close by, saw her at least once a week, had quite a bit of help from her etc. We've never had a blazing row, so no back history to account for the recitence/stand offishness now. Even as a teenager I was always the "good" one, yet my sister caused heaps of trouble for my parents and her - umm - "lifestyle" is very questionnable now, but my mum seems far more involved with her and her children.

I'm very sorry for anyone missing their mum for whatever reason, including death .... but what I would say is that in comparism, I lost my dad many years ago and though I still miss him hugely, I bear him no ill will. After all, he didn't choose to die, and I've never felt he was lacking as a dad in any way. I do think - and really don't mean to cause offence - that it's different when a mother chooses to withdraw from a child, because that kind of separation is deliberate, and obviously therefore incredibly hurtful. I worry about my mum dying often ..... as do many people I'm sure ..... but most people with normal mother/child relationships would do so because they're obviously going to feel bereft and would miss that special relationship terribly. What I worry about - and it's hard to articulate - is how I'll feel afterwards, knowing that when that happens, there'd never be a chance for things to be different .... right now, I guess I still cling onto the hope she might come round, might finally show that I do mean something to her other than duty-bound Xmas cards etc ... though that hope has pretty much been dashed by recent events and her reaction.

So sorry for what you're going through Cath - and also apologise for hijacking this somewhat - your post just struck a nerve. I think you're very brave to cut contact though - and good on you ..... it's like saying, no, I deserve to be treated better than you treat me and I'm not going to pretend your attitude towards me is okay any longer by keeping up a pretence of a relationship. I don't feel able to do the same, as unfortunately, I think it would have rammifications on the last few remaining (extended) family relationships I have with other people. I'm not sure they would totally understand and it might make things very difficult for them.

cathkidstonbag · 16/07/2012 10:46

Catsmother, you didn't hijack at all. You have said so many things about it that strike a chord with me too. I often feel if my own mother doesn't love me then I'm not worthy of being loved by anyone. It's a constant feeling niggling away at me.

I've thought about cutting contact before but always thought that wasn't fair on my DCs. But when my mum made it clear to me that she wouldnt see me for coffee till september (despite her having plenty of free time) because she didn't want to see the DCs who will be home then. That was the final straw.

I should have cut her out of my life when I left home 20 years ago. But for a brief time when my eldest was a baby she was a proper mum and at least I had that for a while.

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catsmother · 16/07/2012 11:10

That's interesting. When my eldest was born, my mum too suddenly became rather more interested in me/him than I'd expected her to. Turning up at the hopsital, saying that I "only had to ask" re: babysitting and so on. That all stopped though just 1.5 yrs later when my dad died so in retrospect I feel sure the impression I had of her interest came more from him driving things forward. I've never taken the p* about babysitting but there's probably been 4 or 5 occasions when I really needed help - many years on - as my childminder was ill, or my son was ill, when I had no leave left (paid or unpaid) and she just totally made excuses (though she retired in her 50s and was totally active). I just don't "get" why I'm rejected - both on rare practical occasions, and regularly emotionally - when it seems she has no difficulty doing all the mum stuff for my sister (who is pretty much loathed by the wider family due to her nasty attitude, so even harder to take) ..... so it's not as if she's too busy per se, or finds close relationships difficult per se (she has lots of friends for example) or doesn't like kids per se. You then obviously turn it back on yourself and think you must be boring, irritating, unpleasant .... even though I'm pretty sure I know my manners, am honest, and try to be kind to others and so on. But however much the logical part of your brain tells you you're none of those things, the fundamental thing is that your own mother can't be arsed so there must be something wrong in or about you. That's the thing you .... well, I ...... keep coming back to.