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This is inappropriate, isn't it?

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nowanexpertloounblocker · 10/07/2012 15:40

Would love to list all of the reasons why I despise my FIL at the moment, as I really need to let off steam but it would go on and on and I'm worried about outing myself in RL although I doubt any of the in laws would be on here and this would probably out me anyway.

He lives across the other side of the country and visits when it suits him with his wife. He has a long history of being unfaithful to his string of partners, leaving DH's mum for her friend and abandoning DH and siblings, impregnating the next wife and then having no contact with his next child, and has now been married to his current wife for a good few years although is apparently having an affair with a 25 year old (I don't think this is true though he would if he could, he has a bit of a habit of living in a fantasy land and for whatever reason I think he thought saying this would impress people).

I recently found out that last year he had made a completely inappropriate sexual comment to my cousin's wife on a family holiday. My cousin's wife hadn't told me about this, she is very shy and probably knew it would cause trouble if she told people. I am really angry that he would dare to make sexual comments to a member of my family, a woman married to my cousin and a mother of three young children. He has caused enough damage to his own dysfunctional family, how dare he try to seep poison into my family! I have bitten my tongue as, by the same note, I feel unable to 'cause trouble', especially as we have recently cut other members of DH's family out of our lives for different reasons.

Whilst he was staying up here with his wife, I said nothing about it although I feel as if steam is coming out of my ears with the effort. At one point I was standing in the kitchen alone. He came in, and after a short while asked me if I could undo his belt buckle for him because he couldn't do it. He asked in a perfectly friendly and casual tone of voice, which I feel was intentional. I feel like he tries to push boundaries to gage what kind of reaction he would get, and makes comments which he knows that he would be able to deny any kind of sexual intent involved if the woman involved kicked up a fuss. I responded by shouting 'DH, come and undo your dad's belt buckle for him, he can't do it himself'. I have since told DH how angry I am and what a cunt I think his dad is, and whilst DH says he knows that this comment was inappropriate, he hasn't said anything else about it. In fact he said, 'what do you want me to do, cut him out like I cut my mum out?' As if I am the evil daughter in law trying to isolate him from his lovely family. I really really feel that his comment was intentionally sexual and I am disappointed with myself for not being more assertive. I believe that he thinks that he is god's gift to women, and he is honestly far below average in every way you can imagine. He would, for example, in the mornings go to the spare room and get changed into clean socks, jeans and even put a belt on but then walk around the house topless for hours. I'm not a prude, but I found it laughable that he purposefully went shirtless as he clearly thinks his body is a lovely treat for the ladies.

In other ways, I despise him and his wife because they are users and takers. They have very little interest in their son. We have recently experienced a rough few months, a miscarriage, DH was suspended for a long time from work and has only just been reinstated, death in the family etc however none of this was mentioned. FIL emailed me to tell me he was coming to stay with us and actually wrote within the email that 'it will have to be a cheap weekend I'm afraid as I'm skint' (he lost his job a few months ago). Fair enough but why act as if he would usually wine and dine us because that is not the case. We are skint, I'm on maternity leave, and what would usually happen is that I would cook for everyone and that is exactly what happened on this visit. I cooked lots of homemade meals to a chorus of 'I'm hungry, it's 2pm, oh I'm so hungry, there's not enough bacon in this carbonara' (his wife), made sure they had towels etc which were then left screwed up next to the bath (FIL).

I became sick to death of their bragging about their expensive hair cuts, all the shows they have been going to and expensive meals they have. They just wanted to go shopping, and look at houses to buy or rent up here (NOOO) as in big six bed houses completely out of their budget. DH fucking panders to them and was actually driving them round so they could look at these huge houses they can't afford, why? It makes them worse when they believe they have an audience of people who think they are the people they want to be.

I am sick of their fantasy lives. We all know they aren't well off, he hasn't got a job but when he did he would pretend he was a huge high flier head of everything raking it in, they haven't paid off the capital of their mortgage although are not too far from retirement, although do choose to live this lifestyle of theatres, hotels, and meals that they can't afford.

Well, I have definitely outed myself in anyone in RL reads this. Didn't mean to speak about anything other than the belt buckle thing but I couldn't seem to stop myself. Will probably have to ask to have this thread removed later on but just wanted to hear from someone, anyone, even if it's to say that I'm being bitchy and over the top.

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ShirleyKnot · 11/07/2012 09:19

at fiventhree.

This utter manipulation of you is just total shit. He's just trying to pull you into line.

Are you tired enough yet? Because if you are we will hold your hand and support you when you tell him that him moving in with his work buddy is a very good idea. Of course we will also support you whatever you choose, but I personally believe that unless you change your reaction to him - and this isn't a criticism of you in any way, shape or form - you will be unable to move forward.

IIRC, WWIFN used to say that in order to move on from an affair the betrayer has to be completely remorseful, show that remorse and understand, acknowledge and take the responsibility for their actions, be completely transparent in their behaviour and accept that the outcome might be that the relationship might not be able to recover.

As it stands ATM your H is doing none of these things and is actually being incredibly emotionally abusive to you.

minmooch · 11/07/2012 09:23

Sweetheart what an absolutely horrible place you are in.

If your 'D'H is not as bad as your FIL he will be if you let him. Can you change him? I don't think so. He has had years and years of watching his own father and how he behaves. If ge were one of the fortunate ones who dint take after their toxic parents he would be showing you how he is and will be different.

You are strong, you do most if the organizing the real, important parts of your life. I would tell him to go and stay in his mates house. Take the pressure off yourself. Just give yourself sometime with you and your baby. Your parents sound supportive and would hopefully help.

Sometimes things happen and you see your partner for what they really are. I am sure the birth if your own son has opened tour eyes to what your dh is really like and do you want your son to grow up like him, to have him as his role model?

For me it took for my eldest son to be desperately ill (brain cancer) for me to finally acknowledge how awful my 'D'H has been and continues to be. I am divorcing him. I will not accept this behaviour. It's hard as all I want to focus on are both my sons but I also have a responsibility to show them that this behaviour is not acceptable, that is not how loving men treat their partners. I am also standing up for my self. I will not be treated this way.

You deserve love, warmth, compassion, someone who 'hears' you and respects your emotions. It sounds like your DH does not have the maturity to offer you this and is unlikely to. Get out whilst your son is tiny and will not remember. It's hard to admit your marriage is over - this is my second disastrous marriage and I am a warm, loving, intelligent woman - not sure how I got myself into this but I sure as hell am getting myself out if it.

It's horrible when your eyes are finally opened and you realize tour man is not what you hoped/he promised to be.

You only get one shot at this life - don't spend it being miserable married to someone who does not love you in the way you deserve.

Pigglesworth · 11/07/2012 14:15

nowanexpertloounblocker, I can tell from your writings that you're an intelligent and insightful woman and a really lovely person. I am really sorry that you find yourself in this situation.

I really do feel that - to be blunt - your husband sounds like he is, on average, a mostly crappy person. No-one is 100% crappy I think, but this is a man who has many of the traits of his father, despite being totally let down by his father. Think of the "type" of man who would get drawn into this kind of "sexual harrassment" (or "inappropriate, intensive, drawn-out flirting"), "suspended from work" situation. Honestly, do these men ever change? When they've pushed the boundaries of what is appropriate so far, for so long, and feel entitled to do so? And lie about their suspension to their wives for 8 weeks, until their wives find out? I really don't think so. You can change his workplace but he's still that same type of man. The way he has treated you is not the way someone would treat someone they loved, valued, and respected.

You wrote: "I just feel like, what am I doing, why am I putting myself through all this humiliation for this man, who comes from a family of horrible people and really seems like a horrible person himself at the moment" - I would agree wholeheartedly with this and I would remove the "at the moment" from the end of your sentence. My perception is, from what you wrote, he takes you for granted and isn't really emotionally invested in you or your relationship. All he really cares about, I think, is making sure he's the one with more power in your relationship, who will needle and needle with his texts (or whatever else) til he gets the emotional reaction he wants from you that reassures him that he's the one in control. Truly, he sounds like an idiot to me.

And you write: "I am clearly the dominant one in our relationship", but I wonder, actually, is it more the case that he doesn't care/is apathetic and you're the one running around sorting everything out, because if you didn't, he wouldn't? Because he doesn't care? Because to me it does sound very much like you are the submissive one here, the one who he expects to serve him - maybe just in a different way to that adopted by other male-female couples in his family. And I disagree with you running around telling him how he needs to show he's sorry, or drawing up tables showing what is needed for you to be convinced he's sorry (as suggested by some posters previously), because that's just perpetuating the same relationship dynamic. He is not currently showing he's sorry. He'd show remorse if he wanted to. But he's just taking you for granted, treating you like a non-person who's not allowed to express her emotions about his crappy actions - "or else I'll leave". You only get one life, you know what your life will be like if you just stay bound to him for years and years. And in fact he doesn't sound like the kind of man who'd loyally stick with you "til death do us part" anyway so sticking with him, I feel, is only delaying the inevitable and means you'll be in a worse situation when the relationship inevitably does fall apart, either due to your own courage or him moving on to a new woman. But I think you'll need to passionately believe the things I've written yourself before you'd be ready to leave this man. You still sound like you are somewhat "dancing to his tune" and fearing him leaving you, though your eyes are opening.

I feel really sad for your situation so wanted to write. Don't feel bad about writing here. I think we all feel for you and want to help you if we can. :(

something2say · 11/07/2012 14:32

Be very careful of these sexual comments..........and then he twists them round in front of your parents to make you look bad? Quietly explain to your parents what actually happened...........and anyone else he tries to manipulate!

What is happening there is - he wanted his sexual way with you (oooh yeah, unbuckle my belt, oooh yes thats what it'd be like if we were going to have sex isn't it? snigger snigger) - and when you immediately involved your hb in the matter, he now has to twist it round to make you look bad. End that one right now.

Also - on the matter of you being his martyr - simply don't be. Don't do his washing etc. Call him out on all sexual behaviour - all of it. Get out on your own when he is there. Why take him to your parents???? Let your hb go off with them and waste petrol. But YOU keep yourself safe - who else is going to???

something2say · 11/07/2012 14:58

Yes so I went straight from page 1 to giving my opinion - without reading page 2.

I think he is a chip off the old block perhaps....and you do too much. I wouldn't bother fixing everything for him, oe perhaps even anything! (Only because I learnt the hard way.)

I said to someone the other day - you have to go in the cake shop and choose a cake you like the look of. Not one you pick up and decide to change. I think the cake that your husband is, is no longer palatable to you, and it is futile to you to try and change the cake that he is. Maybe its time to choose a different cake?

I can't bear a person who won't talk things through properly, who behaves badly and just expects it to be OK.

I think your thinking is very clear. Why not NOT respond to your husband manipulative / get me off the hook and out of this marriage texts? Why not ask yourself - what WOULD it be like to separate??? I already do everything as it is, and pay all the bills, why don't I just cut him off?

NotAnAxeMurderer · 11/07/2012 15:15

You poor thing. This whole situation sounds incredibly draining and tiring, and sapping you of the energy you should be using to enjoy your baby.

Nothing wise to add, so many great posts here to help you already. Just wanted to add my voice to the chorus and let you know I'll be listening if you need a virutual ear.

angeltattoo · 11/07/2012 18:09

Agree here. You sound intelligent and insightful. Your husband sounds like he does not appreciate this at all, or value your relationship, or want to change to keep you - he fully expects you to put up and shut up and he does this because he thinks he did nothing wrong and has nothing to be sorry for.

I'm so sorry you're in this situation, but I am glad you can at least see it. But the going through it is horrible Sad

Firstly, you have enough on your plate without worrying about FIL. he does not stay in your house anymore - next time he tries to arrange a visit, say no to overnight stays. You have a baby, it is your house, he makes you uncomfortable in your own home (and he does it deliberately) - you do not have to Gie a reason, just say no. Be prepared for your husband to not be happy (afterall, he does not value your opinion) and stand your ground.

As for everything else...people show love respect, respect, genuine remorse...any emotion really...through what they do. Not what they say, what they do. but I think you know this.

You are worth more than the love and respect he is currently not showing, as is your son. You don't want your DS to earn these traits as your husband has done.

Not much advice, lots of sympathy and understanding, and wishing you well OP.

angeltattoo · 11/07/2012 18:14

Oh, and I fully second what a PP said about the texts being a way of him checking that he is in control of you. He is being utterly vile, and using your competely natural desire to look after your DS and ensure he is provided for and has a home, using this natural vulnerablity to keep you where he wants you.

Do not answer them, do not be drawn in. Call his bluff - tell him to make his own mind up, if he wants to leave, then leave. I know this is easy for me to write down, and much more difficult to do damn our instincts but try not to panic, try not to give him that control over you that he thinks he has a right to.

AnyFucker · 11/07/2012 19:34

Dear God, you poor woman

I think you would be better off away from all of this toxic family, and I include your complete shit of a husband in that mix

thefoxandtherose · 31/07/2013 07:18

Sorry to resurrect an old thread. I just wanted to thank the posters who gave me advice on here. I didn't LTB at the time, but your words resounded in my head and helped me to do the right thing a few months later. Now divorced, happier, fiestier, more assertive and more successful. XH continued to follow the same old script, and fortunately I was able to draw upon MN to support me. Cheers guys.

peggotty · 31/07/2013 07:36

Just read whole thread. Well done, you brave woman. What hell you went through - you should be so proud of yourself for getting away from that situation. Enjoy your utterly well deserved freedom!! Smile

AnyFucker · 31/07/2013 07:40

good for you x

thanks for the update

smallandimperfectlyformed · 31/07/2013 07:47

I'm glad you're happier now, you and your little boy deserve to be away from people as damaging as that xxx

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TalkativeJim · 31/07/2013 09:25

I just read this thinking it sounded familiar... then noticed the date... your update was the exact reason I was hoping this zombie might have been awoken!

Well done. That's brilliant!

HotDAMNlifeisgood · 31/07/2013 10:12

Thanks for the update, that's really good to hear. I hope you are very very proud of yourself!

NamelessMcNally · 31/07/2013 16:22

Just read your whole thread hoping you would have LTB before he had managed to grind you down or influenced your sons attitude to woman. Go you!

MushroomSoup · 31/07/2013 16:47

Fab !

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