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Emotional affairs my experience (and the difference between normal friendships)

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lifeshocker · 10/07/2012 12:12

Just wanted to write about mine and my husbands experience with an emotional affairs and how I would distinguish them from normal friendships.

Five years ago I had what I now recognise as an emotional affair. At the time my sister was very ill with cancer (thankfully better now) I was working with two children and also doing a part time MAsters. I carried on as normal but was going under with stress and anxiety. Instead of confiding in my husband I instead started a very close relationship with a man who I met through work. Although our friendship was originally out in the open it became increasingly more secretive through time.
I confided in him instead of my husband how I was feeling. If I had a Bad day I would talk to him instead of my H. Texts and emails built up and I began to hide my phone. I would even take it to the bath with me. I started to deteach from my H and attach to him. All the time I reasoned to myself that it was harmless, I was hiding it all because my h would be jealous of my innocent friendship etc.
Eventually it all came to a head when I met the other man for lunch and he tried to kiss me this was a massive wake up call to me I realised that it wasn't what I wanted, finished the friendship and instead put all my emotional energy into my marriage

Fast forward five happy years later then we had a bad year.I lost my job and we eventually lost our house due to debts, at the same time my husband lost his dad and close friend. He didn't deal with this very well and started going out a lot drinking, smoking again and also developed a close friendship with a woman from work. He had other friends but this was different. He saw her all the time his phone was constantly going with texts from her. He always had his mobile on him, even taking it to toilet with him.
I got very threatened by their relationship spoke to her who said they were best friends but there was nothing sexual. I found inappropriate texts and photos she had sent him of herself. This created another major argument I told him to stop seeing her he refused and we temporarily split up. Even when we tried to get back together her presence was all over our relationship. He still wanted to see her, she still texts all the time. She used to call me assuring me there was nothing going on. I asked her to back off and give our marriage a chance but she wouldn't or couldn't.
I felt like I was going mad turning into some paranoid insecure wreck. Why couldn't I cope with their friendship when other people had friends of the opposite sex?

It all came to a head after a night out where she decided it would be appropriate to sit on his knee!
I told my husband it was our marriage or that friendship. Instead of begging him to leave her alone I was very calm and detached. I realised I was better on my own than in a situation that was making me ill. He started to see that we could never solve our problems if he continued with this friendship/affair
Eventually we sorted things out, he had counselling and we are really happy. We both talked about the past and we are very happy now, although I am not saying it has been easy.

I think that both of us had emotional affairs and both excused these as friendship when they were really a step down the line to having a full affair. I honestly think having an ea is the steps that "nice people" take before going on to the full blown affair.
I think I am writing this to warn people of the dangers of emotional affairs, if you are going through a bad patch and start to get close to someone from opp sex please see the warning signs. It nearly destroyed my marriage

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skyebluesapphire · 10/07/2012 16:28

It is very interesting to read this because my husband has had/is having an EA with his best mates wife, but they both say that they are just good friends and that nothing is going on.

He walked out on me saying he didn't love me anymore, after all the contact started. Emailing every day, texting over 100 times a day, flurry Facebook chats - I can see your cheeky face , I can see yours too :) , then - go back to text , my H is coming! All flirty and inappropriate...

He started guarding his phone, took it everywhere with him, wouldn't let me use it, talked about her all the time....

It seems obvious to me that it's an emotional affair, yet the two of them deny it and her H swallows whatever they say..... I'm now divorcing my H because he no longer loves me.

So yours is a good warning for anyone in that situation .....

skyebluesapphire · 10/07/2012 16:32

Meant to say they were confiding in each other with their problems, rather than their spouses. My H text/emailed her right through our family holiday. And now his is living with them, and they were still texting...

But it's ok, IRS all innocent, they are "just good friends " !!

lifeshocker · 10/07/2012 17:53

My friend and her now husband got together after an affair they were both married. They say their partners threw them together over their jealousy and paranoia about their innocent friendship. Of course thats not the version everyone else sees. They were always going to have an affair everything else was just the build up blaming their former partners is just them trying to justify it

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lifeshocker · 10/07/2012 17:55

by the way been following your thred sapphire and would like to say you are doing brilliantly. Detaching is the only way. Her poor husband :-(

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MOSagain · 10/07/2012 18:00

very interesting to read, thank you for sharing that.
I'm only a few days in to finding out about my H's affair. It is (apparently) over and has been for some time but I know that until recently he had still been communicating with her. Apparently they exchanged 'inappropriate' emails for months, if not years and have been in contact in recent months although he claims the affair was over years ago.

Am struggling to deal with this. Think it would be easier if it was a one night stand, not an emotional affair with someone who he 'reconnected' with on bloody FB which has a lot to answer for.

skyebluesapphire · 10/07/2012 19:55

Just laughing at my spelling mistakes! Flurry facebook chats, lol, meant to be flirty! Not a mcflurry in sight!

lifeshocker thanks, Not detached so well tonight, had a text argument! Stupid thing is we never argued when married!

It's amazing how my H and OW can think that they are just good friends and nothing is going on when it's obvious to everyone that the level of contact is inappropriate!

EclecticShock · 10/07/2012 20:00

Interesting to read, thanks for sharing.

mopbucket · 10/07/2012 20:33

Ive been stupid Sad

skyebluesapphire · 10/07/2012 20:48

The thing is that I can see now looking back that I was very stressed out and probably depressed, lost three family members in twelve months, changed my job after twenty years, H had a lot of stress and illness too and he turned elsewhere instead of supporting me. He was never any good at emotionally supporting me, yet was brilliant at it according to her and her H wasn't.

But anything you hide from your spouse is basically an affair isnt it? Doesn't matter if it's sexual or not..... And like you say above, if it isn't to start with it turns into that and they blame it on being thrown together. I can so easily see that happening with my H and OW. if I tell her H and he chucks her out, they could get a place together, as "friends".....

I really hoped that my H would come out of it at some point , but I wouldnt want him back now anyway. I think you can move in from it if both partners want to..

lifeshocker · 10/07/2012 23:44

sapphire and mos having three people in a relationship is never going to work is it? thinking of you both and stay strong and please dont fall into the trap of blaming yourselves, you were too controlling, you didnt give them enough attention blah blah blah. They chose to detach from you and stop investing in your relationship their fault not yours

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stargazy · 11/07/2012 08:48

Agree completely Saphire 'Anything you hide from your spouse is basically an affair' That's certainly the definition I would give to several months of staying silent about a developing friendship that involved meeting for lunchtime chats every weekday OW could reorganise her schedule to fit in with my DH,s( and she did with great enthusiasm)lots of daily texting ,flirting and sexual innuendo.
Especially when I was able to compare it with a genuinely platonic friendship he had with another lovely woman who knew and respected the boundaries ,and remains a friend of his - and now mine - to this day.

We have recovered and worked hard on our marriage,which was essentially very good.There were things we both needed to change in our communication,but the responsibility for his 'affair' rests with DH and his weaknesses, and he now sees that completely.I'm sorry Saphire your DH is in denial about how inappropriate his behaviour has been/ is and feel for her DH too.
If my DH had tried to mimnimise his behaviour or make me feel I was overreacting/ responsible in any way then I would have divorced him.
Interestingly OW in her 'appology' me did just that.'oh it was just a bit of fun' 'he was just my friend and I miss him sooo much' 'her DH had given her a load of grief over it' how inconvenient !From what I gather they are no longer together.I wonder why?!
MOS agree I did think a one night stand may have been easier to get my head round.

mampam · 11/07/2012 09:31

There's not really much you can do though if your spouse doesn't want to give up the 'inappropriate' friendship.

I think I nipped an 'inappropriate' friendship in the bud before it even started with my DH and a work colleague.
My DH used to work in a male dominated job and she was the only woman. She was new to the job and they became friends. She seemed really nice, would lend him dvd's, even lent DH her car after he'd had an accident. It never crossed my mind to be wary until one day I walked into their workplace about 3 paces behind DH and she had a beaming smile for him, when she saw me her face dropped.

I still didn't think much of it and even teased DH that she had a thing for him. One day DH accidentally called me whilst his phone was in his pocket and I listened to 40 minutes of conversation between the two of them whilst they were working together. Normal conversation but at points he was talking to her in the same silly voice that he usually talks to me in (iyswim). That same day I asked him who he'd been working with that day and he lied. Said lots of other people but not her.

Cut a long story short we had a big row about it. I truly don't think he realised what was happening. I had to point out that if he continued on this path suddenly it would come out and bite him on the bum without him ever realising how he got there.
He stopped the friendship there and then which he said she wasn't happy about. She then proceeded to make his life hell at work, sucking up to the bosses and taking credit for work that DH had done, this was a major contribution to why DH was eventually forced out of his job.

lifeshocker · 11/07/2012 11:38

There is a big difference between an emotional affair and a friendship. One of my best friends (a woman) I met through my husband they were childhood friends. It is when the relationship gets exclusive, when the other women face drops when she sees you are invited too.
The other women with me had a weird thing where she would text / call me after me and my husband had argued (about her,he would tell her in one of their chats) then she would try and talk me round from how unreasonable I was being.
She actually had the gall to text my stupid husband a couple of months ago to say she missed him. This all happened 18 months ago.he showed me the text and let me reply. Now he is not wrapped under it all he can see how wrong it was but at the time he couldn't or wouldn't

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skyebluesapphire · 11/07/2012 12:12

Yes, my H had a female friend where he used to live and they were just that, just good friends. They used to write to each other and text occasionally and she took him to a concertto say thanks for the years of support when she was a single mum and he stayed overnight at her house. This was soon after they got together and he had just moved in with me. But because I knew they were just friends (she was happy with a new man), that I trusted him and was happy for him to go.

I was supposed to be going on a booze cruise to France with a male friend and another couple that was arranged before H moved in and he was happy for me to go because he trusted me! My male friend was 10 years younger than me, fancied me, but I had always made it quite plain that nothing was going to happen. He latched on to me when he was 16 and I was 26! He was still trying when he was 20 and I was 30, lol. But as much as I loved his friendship, it never went beyond that. We would text each other and he could be suggestive, but I would slap him down and let him know it was out of order. We eventually went our separate ways when H moved in with me and friend got a girlfriend.

My H's new "best friend" was obsessive contact. Previously she had just been his mates wife that he hardly knew. I can remember being at a family Christening and his brother commenting on how he couldnt put his phone down.... The day after that, he left me. He would text her from 8am all through the day to 11.30pm at night. I counted 140 texts the day before we went on holiday.

He is totally in denial about what he is doing. My DD is saying that OW now goes everywhere with them and that her H is busy sometimes. He is such a mug, but he obviously totally trusts his best mate (and why wouldnt he?!).

I also really hope that anybody thinking of having an EA, reads this thread and realises the cost it could have to their marriage!

Looksgoodingravy · 11/07/2012 12:18

Agree with everything. Ds had one emotional affair and two others led to a kiss and a bj..nice. All started out through fb, reconnections and chats, texts followed and so the story begins..we are working through it and have reconnected ourselves.

Looksgoodingravy · 11/07/2012 12:18

Agree with everything. Ds had one emotional affair and two others led to a kiss and a bj..nice. All started out through fb, reconnections and chats, texts followed and so the story begins..we are working through it and have reconnected ourselves.

Looksgoodingravy · 11/07/2012 12:22

Anything outside of the marriage/partnership which you wouldn't want your partner to know about for me would be classed as a EA, my boundaries at home have now been firmly placed.

Looksgoodingravy · 11/07/2012 12:22

Anything outside of the marriage/partnership which you wouldn't want your partner to know about for me would be classed as a EA, my boundaries at home have now been firmly placed.

Kaykat · 13/07/2012 09:56

This is exactly what I have been going through for the past few weeks. H having endless texts and secret meetings with OW and her H is apparently happy about it and joins in many of the meetings. I only get to see H a couple of evenings a week because he wants to be with her at every opportunity and when he is with me the whole time she is texting him. Don't think he will ever agree or want to stop. My only hope is that she gets bored of him. Feeling rather heart broken and lonely at the moment :(

MOSagain · 13/07/2012 10:02

oh kaykat, what a complete and utter bastard. Do you have children? (((hugs))) to you

Looksgoodingravy · 13/07/2012 10:12

KayKat your dh should respect how you feel about this and stop the constant texting and meet ups, if they're secret how do you know about them? You shouldn't have to put up with this and if I was in your position now I would ask him to stop. In my situation I didn't know about the secrets until it was too late and the lines had been crossed although you could argue that they already had been once the secret texts started.

lifeshocker · 13/07/2012 11:42

oh I really feel for you because I have been there. Her husband apparently was fine with their relationship. What the situation will do is make you totally lose your confidence and self respect. Your h and ow will paint you as jealous unreasonable. You have to be firm and say enough is enough even if it means walking away. You cant go on like this with three people in the relationship.
At the end of the day you are his wife and this relationship is making you unhappy. What about putting you not her first?
What about his vow to foresake all others?

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stargazy · 13/07/2012 12:28

Kaycat that's totally inacceptable,and unbelievable that your DH shouldn't see that.Even if you know about meetings and texting if (I didnt,OWs DH knew some of it but not the full extent,and that's why he snooped on her phone)your DH should have more respect for your feelings.
Once I found out about OW and her tactics,prolonged flirting ,changing her routine to be around my DH as much as possible and texting lots when she knew he wouldn't be with me then it was end of all contact or end of our marriage as far as I was concerned .

I felt heartbroken for a long time because he'd allowed himself to behave like that,and believe me he has true platonic friends that I've always felt very comfy about ,and have even become friends of mine too.There's a world of difference between them and feeling excluded and insecure.Hope your selfish DH can see that and put you first.Don't wait for the OW get 'bored',she may not and even more boundaries may get crossed if this continues.

lifeshocker · 13/07/2012 12:55

and who cares whether her husband is okay with this relationship. Nobody knows what goes on in another marriage, they could be lying about him being okay, he could have low self esteem, he might be having an affair himself and glad she is being distracted by your husband.
my h ow husband had already had an affair. Her friend told me she liked using my husband to make hers jealous. How messed up is that?

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Kaykat · 13/07/2012 12:56

Good to know there is support out there and I'm not the only one. I see him texting her but the content of the messages is secret and know they spend a lot of time together. If I give an ultimatum he will choose her over me (even though she has told him she will not cheat on her H) he has already threatened to leave me several times. He says I drove him to it. I know I shouldn't have to put up with this but I'm not ready to give up on us yet.

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