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I am so sad at this

34 replies

verysadthistime · 01/03/2006 23:56

Hi, I have 5 kids with a women I love desperately.

She has suddenly gone really cold and I have found out it is because she is now besotted with an internet man.

I love her dearly but everything I say seems to make her angry.

Do I walk away

do I encourage them to meet

Do I fight

do I give up

I am so confused

thanks

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expatinscotland · 01/03/2006 23:58

YOU look after yourself and your kids. She wants to be w/Mr Internet, she can go and be w/him. NO kids. And no house, either.

Then you go day by day and see how it plays out.

sobernow · 02/03/2006 00:02

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verysadthistime · 02/03/2006 00:12

thanks chaps,

I guess I need to know

If you love somebody

  1. Do you set them free?
2.Do you fight for them

I'm coming to the conclusion that when a lady makes up her mind to split, that she has been thinking about it for a while.

is this true?

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VeniVidiVickiQV · 02/03/2006 00:15

I dont know the answer to your last question but only you know yourself if your relationship is worth fighting for or not.

Its certainly not worth staying together for the sake of the kids etc.

But you said you love her desperately - surely its worth fighting for? Does she know how you feel?

NotQuiteCockney · 02/03/2006 07:44

I think you're right - people don't suddenly wake up one morning and think "I know, I'll leave!", and then go downstairs and tell their partner.

I probably would set someone free, while making clear I still cared for them. I think.

fireflyfairy2 · 02/03/2006 08:21

Have some other things been going on during the time she fell for the internet guy?
How did you find out, and has she met with him at all?

I think if they haven't yet met then you might be worth trying to talk to her... on the internet it is easy to develop feelings for someone you don't really know. They have the power to tell you things about themselves and you have no way of proving otherwose so believe them. It's an easy way to get close to someone, but let's face it, it is never really real is it?

Has she thought of practicalities at all? Like does the internet guy feel the same way, and is he willing to accept her kiddies as part of the deal? (even if it is just weekend access or something)

Talk to her, 'cos these things are never one sided, was she feeling lonely or neglected that she has taken a shine to this guy?

timetoconfess · 02/03/2006 11:57

I’ve changed my name here but am a regular. firstly I agree with fireflyfairy that all is not as it seems on the internet. It’s easy to get talking to someone and develop feelings for them based on what they tell you, what they say to you and how they make you feel, and it can happen without even realizing it. If you meet someone in rl then you know instantly if an attraction is starting to develop, because there is eye contact, that certain chemistry when you’re in each other’s company, the feeling when you hear that person’s voice, and you can instantly withdraw from the situation if you don’t feel it appropriate to pursue a relationship. But on the internet it’s just words on a screen, you can sit and actually take the time to write out exactly what you think that person potentially wants to hear, but reality is, you could be talking to 10 different people in the same place, and if they all said the same things, you would be none the wiser and would still have the awesome feelings for the person on the other end of the modem, the nickname that he/she is known by.

I’ve been chatting online for about 4 years now, and I’ve met a lot of people, a lot of creeps too it has to be said, not all male, but I did spend a lot of time chatting online because I’m not very good at making friends in rl, and on the internet I felt as if I was accepted. People would talk to me about things that were personal to them,they trusted me, and I felt as if I fitted in somewhere for the first time in a long time. My DH is lovely and I love him more than I can express in words, we’ve had our problems though as all couples do but I would never have considered leaving him. Then about a year ago I got chatting to a guy who seemed very normal, from the particular site I’d been chatting on he seemed like one of the few normal ones amongst the weirdos that frequented that particular site which is why we started chatting I think. And the more we chatted, the more we found that we had things in common, we were both fairly intelligent, he shared some of my interests etc and a mutual attraction developed. I’m a SAHM with one child and I think that chatting online did while away some of the time at home, and I guess that I was flattered by his attention. I’ve only really ever had one serious relationship so I guess that the thought that someone else was attracted to me in that way was flattering to me, even though I could never envisage being with him in RL. We chatted a lot during the week as he would log on from work, and I guess I was kinda sucked in by it all. Every weekend when I didn’t talk to him I would think to myself how stupid it was, how I was being so bloody stupid and how I was potentially risking everything, and evry weekend I made it my pledge that I would finish it on the Monday. And then on the Monday he would come online and talk sweetly to me and I’d be sucked in again. Reality is, any relationship had no future, he lived in the states so although we’d talked about meeting up I knew that there was no chance of that ever happening, and maybe that’s why it continued, because it was safe, I knew nothing physical or real would ever come of it. Reality is, I would never, ever have an affair in RL, that’s not the kind of person I am, and yet it was so so easy to get sucked into this. And then I discovered that this person was actually saying the same things to several other people at the same time, thus proving my theory that you can be anyone online. I confronted him but basically after that I’d seen him for the tw*t he is, I have since found out that as well as telling me, and at least one other person I know of that he was single, and terribly attracted to us, he also had a live-in girlfriend who moved out not long after, and the other girl actually got as far as booking her tickets to go to US before he told her he couldn’t go through with it, but he still told her he wanted a future with her and it was still a few more months before she saw the light and ditched him. My DH knows everything, I hadn’t planned to tell him but he found an email on my computer and now he knows. I cannot believe how stupid I was and how much I put on the line, and how much I hurt my DH in the process – I would do anything to have turned back the clock and put it right. We’re ok now though and are strong and have come through it, my DH admits though that if it had been a RL affair it would have been a lot harder for him to get over it. Suffice to say I no longer chat online apart from on MN.

Obviously I don’t know your situation but you should talk to your wife. Ask her exactly how far this relationship has progressed,and what she has told him about herself. For all we know she may not even have told him she has 5 kids – I don’t know many men on the net who would be happy at the prospect of taking on someone else’s 5 kids. Or maybe he does know but like me he’s happy to go along with it because he doesn’t have to follow the relationship through.

You can get through this, you have to convince your wife that talking online is just words on a screen, and that unless she’s met him and knows for a fact that they love each other and want to be together, the chances of a relationship with him having a future are minimal, whereas she is in a relationship with you and you love her and want to be with her, and want to sort out what you can do to make things right between you again.

Good luck

timetoconfess · 02/03/2006 11:58

And just to clarify, cheating is never right, and I don't condone it at all, but it's a lot easier to get sucked into an internet relationship than a rl one.

desperateSCOUSEwife · 02/03/2006 12:02

agree with expat
just look after yourself and the kids
and let her choose what she wants to do

tbh she needs to get her arse back into the real world

verysadthistime · 02/03/2006 12:48

Thank you all for your time and considerable experience.

No they have never met, no she doesn't want to save us at this time, no she can't give him up.

Yes he knows about the kids ( think part of the challange was to woo a married lady etc).

I get the feeling they swap naked photos of eachother I know they talk on the phone.

I also know that the last 20 years my wife and I have been together, in her mind now seem like I did wrong all the time.

This Internet man is about 15 years younger than my wife so I guess that is flattering too.

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desperateSCOUSEwife · 02/03/2006 12:54

vstt my heart goes out to you
an old saying but true one comes to mind to me at times like these, and it is

what goes around, comes around

I know you probably dont need this at the mo but just offering my support to you
I think you are a true gent, your only concern is to think about your wifes feelings in all this

you deserve better
good luck
xxx

verysadthistime · 02/03/2006 19:16

Thanks, for your kind words

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MarkLondon · 03/03/2006 01:21

In my experience, women leave for 4 reasons.

  1. You lost your job.
  2. You let yourself go physically.
  3. You've been caught cheating.

Do well in the first two and you can take your pick - mess up and your a gonner sooner or later im afraid.

The third speaks for itself but I don't think this applies to you obviously.

From what you said the only clue i've got is 5 kids - thats a lot of work for anyone - maybe she feels she has missed out the romantic part of her life?

How were things before she met him?

Personally if i was supporting someone with 5 kids and they did that to me I'd show the door on principle - staying together "for the kids" never works.

You say you love her dearly but everything you say "makes her angry" - why do you put up with it?

Contrary to popular opinion on this website, selfish women DO exist - I certainly wouldn't go down the counselling route in this case.

Its unfortunate - but could you go on with her knowing this has happened? If its happened once why wouldn't it happen again.

Move on my friend.

MarkLondon · 03/03/2006 01:22

Yes its late and I can't count!

ernest · 03/03/2006 10:42

marklondon, if you have such a poor regard for women, why are you on a mumn's discussion group.

verysadthistime, does your name suggest she's doen something like this before?

if everything you say makes her angry there's a reason have you asked her why she's so bloody angry. Have you tried to have a long heart-to-heart, without arguing? Would she be prepared to just talk to you?

JennyLee · 03/03/2006 11:18

You have my sympathy, you should find out if your kids are going to be taken off to live with this man aswell, as you don't know him he might be a threat to your kids he might be bad with children and find it overwheling. I hope she gets her head sorted, as a man you have only spoken to on the phone or online and in pictures still is not the 'real' person he might be dreadful in real life, also she might see this as a way of escaping her responsibilities as a mother to 5 kids. hope she see sense and tlak to you about it I mean if she loved you for so long how could it just disappear with no reason? hope you get through this. also don't beg her don't let her humiliate you any further

JennyLee · 03/03/2006 11:21

Also if half of the population is female there are bound to be some of us that are selfish and uncaring.
I have heard of women who abandon their families to go and have sex with other men and one real family I do know, the women cut all contact with her 2 kids and does not even send them christmas or birthday gifts, so they do exist in the world, I think that is what that guy meant and it is good that a male could reply to him and give him support.

prettyfly1 · 03/03/2006 11:22

mark didnt display a poor regard for women, all he suggested is that selfish women exist and i agree with him on the reasons why many women may look elsewhere however, if your wife wants to try councelling then i think you should. i also think you sound like a very nice man and i genuinly hope you find a way through this.

ernest · 03/03/2006 11:27

It was the "Contrary to popular opinion on this website" that annoyed me. Of course there are plenty of selfish people around.

verysadthistime · 03/03/2006 12:05

Thanks for the replies,

I guess she just got bored, or the family seemed to much, or life seemed to be passing her by, or that I'm blind to the unhappiness she has suffered for so long.

I really don't know which it is, maybe all of them.
I get the feeling she now knows nothing can happen with internetman, but that it has been the catalyst to end us, and from here she might meet somebody real.

Or she might just enjoy her single life again.

I am so confused.

Yes I have asked her if we can sort this, and I have asked her to think about us getting back together, and she said she'll think about it.

But in my heart I know she is never coming back and it kills me .

In answer to somebodies question, no I don't believe she has done this before

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ernest · 03/03/2006 12:24

god this might sound stupid, but in last week, or whenever's woman or woman's own (don't get it oftern, so can't remember, there was a feature about a mum of 5 who just upped & offed. The blokes pov was interesting to read, maybe you could read it/ get in touch, stories sound similar

mistressmiggins · 03/03/2006 13:33

difficult situation & my heart goes out to you

you dont give much detail so we dont know whether your wife is a SAHM or works; do you help with childcare ETC

Its not your fault (entirely)
Sure we all have to take responsibility if our relationship isnt doing so well but looking elsewhere isnt going to fix it

seems your wife has made her decision & doesnt want to fix it
not a lot you can do about that (speaking from 3 mths experience)

I would get advice regarding the house & kids.

Do you want custody if she leaves?
If she hasnt even met this man, I doubt she would have good grounds for taking the kids to live with him or kicking you out.

concentrate on the children & yourself

winnie · 03/03/2006 13:44

verysadthistime, ime (recent) if you love someone you fight, you fight until you know there is nothing else you can do, you give chances that you'd never give to anyone else (love is very forgiving) and then, if you get the chance, you fight some more. But at somepoint, come what may you will know there is nothing else to be done, there is nothing else you can do or give and whatever is said, actions speak louder than words... you can not, ultimately, do it on your own.

Good luck

verysadthistime · 03/03/2006 17:46

winnie I think we have hit that point, I have forght so hard that I have come to look pathitic, to myself at least ( to her who knows how she sees my chasing).

I have reached the point where I guess I have to walk away and let them be whatever they will.

She will stay with kids ( that is the way it works I'm afraid)

Best

vstt

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mistressmiggins · 04/03/2006 09:26

no thats not the way it works

If you want custody then tell her
You dont want to split the family up - shes the one whos found someone else so let her leave the family home & set up with new BF

Perhaps if you calmly told her that is how you feel, it might bring her back to earth

dont give up on your children

[hugs]

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